[Closed] north wales police

Anyone that gets caught in the UK where they have to paint the camea BRIGHT ****ING ORANGE or put a big sign up saying SPEED CAMERAS IN OPERATION is a ****ing moron and deservs to be fined.

Try other ****ries in Europe where they are hidden in trees and bins.

bling bling

Perhaps they should put up signs warning tea leafs not to rob people - that would do it.
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i have two questions for you:

1 - what was your speedo reading when they clocked you? Because all my speedos read around 10% over.
2 - where were you looking when they caught you? It is pretty hard to miss the dude in the flouro jacket - twice.

Now I'm no saint (3 points on my license) but the difference between 30 and 36 is quite a lot. when I did my emergency driving course we had to drive on a runway at 30 mile an hour, an instructer threw a cone in front of the vehicle and you had to stop before you hit it. at 30mph this was easy. at 35mph i flattened the cone and came to a stop about 4 meters further up the track. short, sharp shock into slowing down a bit. there's also some formula that shows that the kinetic force on a human body at 40mph is 50%more than 30mph or some such figures.

that said, GATSO's are just money generation boxes, if it was really about road safety then they'd use the averag speed check cameras.

[i]Exemption to the law, i'd don't think so. They don't have a right to drive illegally, they have a duty to be safe.[/i]

Which is exactly what I said:
Ergo it is legal to drive as fast [b]as the road permits and is necessary to do your job.[/b] Not "drive like hell at all costs"
There have been a few fairly high profile cases of police officers being done for speeding either when there was no need to do so or when the speed involved was excessive/inappropriate. Quite rightly so too.

Anyone that gets caught in the UK where they have to paint the camea BRIGHT ****ING ORANGE or put a big sign up saying SPEED CAMERAS IN OPERATION is a ****ing moron and deservs to be fined.

- where were you looking when they caught you? It is pretty hard to miss the dude in the flouro jacket - twice.

To be fair the the OP this is north wales we are talking about and the do hide the vans. So well that in 2007 over 300 NW wales police vehicles were caught by their own cameras. Bit its all ok, non of these cars were on blues and two's and no drivers were fined or recieved points.
One rule for us and one rule for them.

Up here they give the police the points.

Crazy legs - can you show this exemption you speak of and some more details of the ambo drivers special training?

"There have been a few fairly high profile cases of police officers being done for speeding either when there was no need to do so or when the speed involved was excessive/inappropriate. Quite rightly so too. "

Or not, i'm from shropshire remember where the coppers can do 151mph on a DC and 89mph in 30 so they can be familiar with a new car. Convicted and overturned at appeal.

Up here they give the police the points.

Thats why people ****ing hate Branson and the NWP.
Highhest conviction rate for speeding, but still in most dangerous place to drive top ten.
Oddly enough, and sure its not connected N/Wales is a good to rob house, if you can find one that hasn't been done over. Very low conviction rate for burgulary. Just don't speed away from the scene.

Oddly enough, and sure its not connected N/Wales is a good to rob house, if you can find one that hasn't been done over. Very low conviction rate for burgulary. Just don't speed away from the scene

Arent the traffic cops a different branch to the general plod?

Police officers DO NOT HAVE an exemption to drive at speed. If they have blue lights on and do 50 in a 30mph and they can, will and HAVE been prosecuted if they have been in the wrong. Standard police drivers do a 3 week course to drive ith blue lighs on, the advanced traffic officers do 5 weeks of seriously hard driving. Police officers will regularly get points if they break the law, they also have a police licence which can receive points for things such as minor incidents, reversing car and causing damage etc etc.

Section 87 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

Exemption of fire brigade, ambulance and police vehicles from speed limits

(1) No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used for fire and rescue authority, ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is being used on that occasion.

(2)Subsection (1) above applies in relation to a vehicle being used—
(a)for Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes, or
(b)for training persons to drive vehicles for use for Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes,
as it applies in relation to a vehicle being used for police purposes.

(3)But (except where it is being used for training the person by whom it is being driven) subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to a vehicle by virtue of subsection (2) above unless it is being driven by a person who has been trained in driving vehicles at high speeds.

The relevant sections of the Road Traffic Act 1988 relating to dangerous/careless driving and related offences still apply.

[i]Comments like yours and Drac's along the lines of "i'll go as fast as i can because i won't held responsible for any death or injury", high lights a problem with driver attitude. A ambo / paramedic's 1st job is to get there safely. [/i]

That is nothing like what I said at all thank you very much.

What training do we do? Well by law all Ambulance staff who will be driving with blue lights have to do a 2 week advance driver course, no matter where thye are in the country. It was originally the Police driving course the same as Police do for Panda cars, that's the one I did, since then it's changed slightly to adapt for larger vehicles.

Can we speed, yes when safe to do so and as long as we are sensible. How do I know this is legal? Well having been called to court some years back following a car crashing into me it was all fine despite me being over the speed limit. It was deemed I was doing it safe and as had the lights and sirens on was legal too. Now please tell me why you know other wise rather than your misconception?

I hate speed trapping police. ****5

They have quotas that need to be achieved each month though - all funds go straight to Whitehall (so a senior copper told me who is a mate of my brothers)

When I recently came back from France to Plymouth, I could have lost my driving licence within about 8 miles of the port, the shear number of speed cameras there and we only saw one in France in 300 miles of driving over there.

b'stards.

Speeding rarley cause accidents it only makes the damage caused worse. Anyone that has seen the damage a ton and a half of metal can do to a few stone of flesh and blood would not complain about 6 points and 120quid for doing 20% over the speed limit. If it was down to me you would get a short ban and take an advanced test before getting your licence back. Then again the ****t that killed 4 of my clubmates only got a 180quid fine and 3 points, so maybe you can be forgiven for feeling sorry for yourself.

What did you expect to get for speeding , and ignoreing the large signs with a figure in them .
Bloody Tesco clubcard points.

Although the police do get clubcard points on their fuel at Tesco Wrexham,

At least here in UK it's easy to notice the camera. If you can't see it go to Vision Express pronto.

Anyone that gets caught in the UK where they have to paint the camea BRIGHT ****ING ORANGE or put a big sign up saying SPEED CAMERAS IN OPERATION is a ****ing moron and deservs to be fined.

Just for the record, the so called 'professional' drivers who have done'advanced' driving courses, can be confident that the techniques they have been taught are about 25 years out of date! Lets be honest who the hell feeds the wheel except learner drivers and the plod? Far better drivers than the plod realised years ago that this is inefficient and does not give the best control.

RaveyDavey - I am pretty confident that they're not out of date.

Who are these far better drivers than the class one plod drivers? In a race car with a quick rack yes you can keep your hands at opposite sides of the wheel, but if you do that in a car with a normal rack, you'll soon run out of steering.

Ravey davey. So you know better than the police advanced drivers? Universally aknowledged to be some of the safest and fasted drivers in the world. When tested ( as I have seen in several magazines) against racers both car and bike they come out extremely well. No one who know anything about fast safe driving has anything but respect for the skills of the police advanced drivers.

TJ - that'll be because a large proportion of them are racers.

If you want to pay a fine then don't do the crime

Don't speed & you won't get caught,simples 8)

It's a but like the baddy in Scoobydoo when he says at the end...."I'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky (kids)coppers/speed cameras or whatever.......

For the record,I have been known to drive at a speed that may have been over the speed limit once or twice,won't moan about when or if I do get caught speeding though....

TJ - that'll be because a large proportion of them are racers.

Yes and wouldn't have been doing their woodentops driving at the time

Been caught being a naughty boy once or twice have we RaveyDavey?

[i]Lets be honest who the hell feeds the wheel except learner drivers and the plod? [/i]

I have no idea but adavanced driving doesn't teach to feed the wheel as it's for learners.

[i]can be confident that the techniques they have been taught are about 25 years out of date! [/i]

Police and Ambulance advanved driving was reviewed about 5 years ago so your a good way off the mark.

Being a 30 limit I'm guessing it was in an urban area ? The type of place where you have vehicles mixing with dozy pedestrians, cyclists, kids, lots of junctions yadda yadda. So if 30's too slow for you then what should the limit be ? 40 ? 50 ? And if the limit was higher then do you think everyone would keep to it like they obviously do ( 🙄 ) when it's 30 ? Urban speeders are reet shakers 😀

I don't teach feeding the wheel and it is not necessary to use it in order to pass a driving test.

You must Goan RaceyDavey said so.

Like every other aspect of driving I give my punters a number of ways to do things and then encourage them to think about which technique is best in any given situation. I can't stand lazy drivers that don't think about what they're doing. For steering they tend to go for pull-push at low speed and a combination of that and fixed rotational at higher speeds. Manoeuvres they tend to have arms flailing about all over the place. 😉

J turns should be in the test

Been caught being a naughty boy once or twice have we RaveyDavey?

Sorry to disappoint but never been caught in 28 years of driving. Saying that I never break the 30 speed limit because killing pedestrians wouldn't be good for my buddhist beliefs.

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Posted 23 hours ago

To possibly elaborate , this was a few years ago and was the Rhyl cycling club, in north wales, when the council failed to grit a raod, and a driver with a defective tyre, skidded across the road, and killed 4 riders one a young lad.
Yet he just got a petty fine.

Speed kills,even the highly trained police and fire service kill people while driveing at speed , despite blue lights and sirens.