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Why do shoe shops sell a certain type of shoe - to cater for the demand that exists or to force feed a stereotype on those who know no better?
Possibly because market research says that's what styles will sell the best. If those styles start to become unpopular then they would drop them like a hot brick.
Do you really think someone in head office stands there saying lets influence the next generation and make sure them girls stay in their little pigeon holes?
Market forces determine whats on the shoe shop shelf. If you don't like it, don't buy them
I have seen ladies/girls post up pictures of the bikes on here emblazoned with pink everything from hubs to tyres. Are these ladies pulled to bits by the mob mentality? Do people point out how belittling these bikes are or how they are putting back the equality movement by 20yrs? Or do they get a pat on the back for having a distinctive bike in the colour they like and enjoy riding.
Pink has always been associated with girls. It has been associated with homosexual blokes and I dare say some embrace that and some are possibly offended by it. Doesn't make it wrong
Are these ladies pulled to bits by the mob mentality?
Wait - is that what's happening here?
molgrips - what would you have me do?
Nothing - I'm not criticising you. I'm saying that just because you aren' seeing it doesn't mean it's not happening.
And your daughter may well be able to make her own choices, which is good, but if there are perceived negative judgements from everyone it might be affecting her anyway. Something to bear in mind.
Do you really think someone in head office stands there saying lets influence the next generation and make sure them girls stay in their little pigeon holes?
No. Some companies pander to whatever sells, some companies make a stand and try and shape the market in a more progressive manner.
Possibly because market research says that's what styles will sell the best. If those styles start to become unpopular then they would drop them like a hot brick.
Indeed
Do you really think someone in head office stands there saying lets influence the next generation and make sure them girls stay in their little pigeon holes?
No - that's my point.
Mol - any examples ?
Its her choice, if she wants a more traditional style shoe like the boys are wearing then crack on, they wont refuse to sell her them and the school wouldn't have an issue.
Except that choice is very limited, and often limited not just by the manufacturers, the shoe shops themselves, the school uniform code, but also the desires of the parents and their peers.
It's the "death by a thousand cuts approach", society tells little girls they should behave a certain way, look a certain way and play a certain way. Sure they have a "choice" not to conform, but that choice is limited by everything else. Not sure why that is difficult to appreciate?
Do you really think someone in head office stands there saying lets influence the next generation and make sure them girls stay in their little pigeon holes?
Probably not consciously (not sure if that is being over generous, but I try not to hold with conspiracy theories too much), but the end result is the same.
TheLittlestHobo - MemberI have seen ladies/girls post up pictures of the bikes on here emblazoned with pink everything from hubs to tyres. Are these ladies pulled to bits by the mob mentality? Do people point out how belittling these bikes are or how they are putting back the equality movement by 20yrs? Or do they get a pat on the back for having a distinctive bike in the colour they like and enjoy riding.
Those poor stupid women have been brainwashed into believing they are expressing their personality and their femininity. What they are actually doing is perpetuating a negative stereotype which suppresses women and stomps on face of young girls who dream of being special forces snipers and refuse collection technicians.
Market forces determine whats on the shoe shop shelf. If you don't like it, don't buy them
Don't worry, when the patriarchy is smashed and capitolist wrong think is eradicated we can replace pink shoes with a government mandated gender neutral non binary foot covering.
Except back when it was first associated with boys.Pink has always been associated with girls.
Pink has always been associated with girls. It has been associated with homosexual blokes and I dare say some embrace that and some are possibly offended by it. Doesn't make it wrong
My 1989 Tufftrax is pink, classic colour style from the eighties! I do get a bit of gip from the local kids, but that just confirms the prejudices their parents/peers have instilled in them...
There's nothing wrong with pink, except if that is what you're expected to like to the exclusion of all* else!
* Obvs, pastel shades, baby blue etc are acceptable, though not as sought after...
My neighbour's daughter is a v talented athlete despite the fact her first school stopped competitive races after she kept winning them all. It wasn't fair apparently.
http://lettoysbetoys.org.uk/category/blog/
Don't worry, when the patriarchy is smashed and capitolist wrong think is eradicated
Reactionary sarcasm doesn't do you or your argument any favours.
Pink has always been associated with girl
You're wrong. In fact it was once the other way round. Also in the 1970s pink wasn't particularly in evidence. Looking back at photos from then I can see that neither me nor my friends had pink stuff - clothes or toys. Babies wore lots of yellow and white. My first bike was red, no pink or glitter or unicorn sticker in sight.
On a point slightly away from the programme, the issue is not just how some parents and marketing folks treat girls but how women treat other women who don't conform. Pretty much through my 20s and 30s I was generally ignored and excluded socially by all-female groups as I was viewed as a tomboy. Thankfully I had plenty of male friends and a few like-minded female friends but at times when I was younger the exclusion made me feel like I wasn't a real woman, which is nonsense!
I've not seen the programme or read all this what exactly are we arguing about?
My first bike was red, no pink or glitter or unicorn sticker in sight.
"Powered by fairy dust"?
I've not seen the programme or read all this what exactly are we arguing about?
An obvious solution presents itself. Do you talk through the first half of a film and then spend the second half going "who's he / why's she doing that / what are they going there for"?
(I've not seen the programme either, but have read the thread.)
I can't be bothered to watch films I just get Mrs Zip to give me a 10 second synopsis.
I think you've just described my sex life.
Pink has always been associated with girl
Not a thing in other countries either btw.
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Pink has always been associated with girlYou're wrong. In fact it was once the other way round.
molgrips - MemberNot a thing in other countries either btw.
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If I'd been lucky enough to have had a daughter, I'd just take her to a shop and let her wander around pointing at whatever took her fancy, clothes-wise, although I'd hope she'd choose something like this:
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I'd also let her go through my library and read anything she wanted, and she'd have free-run of my music library too, although that's very heavily biased against anything that you're likely to hear playing on Radio 1 or any random kids phone...
Those poor stupid women have been brainwashed into believing they are expressing their personality and their femininity. What they are actually doing is perpetuating a negative stereotype which suppresses women and stomps on face of young girls who dream of being special forces snipers and refuse collection technicians.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Yeah, next time I see my sister-in-law I'll point that out to her and get back to you.
I would, however, imagine that her response would be heavily redacted by the mods, most would be profanity laden to your detriment, and as a biker, she has a good turn of phrase available.
If she wants to have her motorcycle painted pink, wear pink crocs, and a pink hoody under her bike leathers, she bloody well will, despite what some patronising jackass on the internet thinks.
I like pink. I like wearing it.
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Most of the women I know hate all the pinkified/purple bike stuff. I went for stealth black, raw Ti and then oh so main stream fluro yellow for my bikes. Actually bike manufacturers are giving women more choice in colours these days.