[Closed] Nicky Morgan asking teachers for help for the recruitment crisis lol

Hideous woman, Gove's lackey. She's got a nerve, blaming the teachers whilst systematically breaking the education system in order to sell it off to the highest / chummiest bidder.

It's pretty simple. Make the job attractive to quality candidates eg most maths graduates can earn more with a decent work life balance than teaching provides. This may not be the case for all subjects of course but maths teachers are in short supply for simple reasons.
The Govt seems unwilling to address this as they cannot possibly be unaware. I genuinely fear that the damage done to our public services in recent years will never be repaired in my lifetime.

Teachers in 'whinging about education secretary' shocker 🙄

Can you tell me the last one they didn't whinge about?

'Education secretary forcing through ideological changes without any statistical basis supporting that change' shocker.

Can you tell me the last one that didn't do that?

It's pretty simple. Make the job attractive to quality candidates eg most maths graduates can earn more with a decent work life balance than teaching provides. This may not be the case for all subjects of course but maths teachers are in short supply for simple reasons.

This +1

I'm being made redundant and a recruiter sent me something for teaching (apparently you don't need to be a qualified teacher if your subject is in demand!).

I'm sure teaching is far more rewarding in other ways, but I'm not surprised they struggle to recruit anyone from a science, maths or engineering background when the wages are about 30% lower than other starting salaries and that gap only seems to widen as you move along!

One good thing about academies, they can pay what the market rate is for qualified people, so it should lead to an improvement in STEM subjects.

...or they can pay below minimum for non-in-demand subjects.

Having said that, I'm really worried about the possibility in the Tory white paper of scrapping QTS - so anyone can be employed as a teacher. Can't see how that leads to Educational Excellence Everywhere.

One good thing about academies, they can pay what the market rate is for qualified people, so it should lead to an improvement in STEM subjects.

You are assuming the schools have any capacity to pay more? Ours is talking of redundancies whilst A level contact hours reduced, again! Its not helped by spending thousands advertising jobs that no one applies for!

Tory white paper of scrapping QTS - so anyone can be employed as a teacher

Anyone can be in an academy!!

Can you tell me the last one they didn't whinge about?

Making a difference to children's life's.

Making a difference to children's life's.

Ore you're edukayshun?
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Teachers should act in a more grown up fashion, by all means rebel, but jeering and acting up is something teachers of old would have thought beneath them.

Teachers should act in a more grown up fashion

Like MP's?

They could have kept quiet completely but the media would have broadcasted a positive talk; in the news.

Instead it looked bad for her throughout.

It was a pathetic speech.

Education is in dire need of sorting or it's going to plan according to the Tories.

Besides we need someone/your children to clean up the toilets if we are to become independent of Europe.

Sounded like they were in the House of Commons, maybe they were just trying to make her feel at home.

Hardly a hostile response.

On the radio earlier I heard the bit regarding only 3 out of 20 union press releases were positive about teaching.
Does she think the teachers should lie just like the politicians do?

Teachers and givernment ministers - wont anyone think of the children?

Yeah THM teachers are only critical ofcthe changes because we can be. ****ing hate kids couldnt give a shit about them as long as I get my massive pay cheque, gold plated pension and endless holidays.

First they came for the junior doctors.....

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First they came for the junior doctors.....

Does that count as a Godwin?

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You've gotta love the private sector's indifference. Until it impacts the services they want/need.

Ill accept that its Godwin lite

Godwin lite

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It's already impacting private sector, people incapable or reading safety documents, apprentices with no common sense, new starters who don't know " Jamie and the Magic Torch" or "Chortlon and the Wheelies", I mean what is the world coming too..

Pah left wing out of touch teachers jeering education secretary hardly news is it. In fact when have they ever not? It is as predictable as the sun coming up tomorrow.

I don't think they'll ever be the required amount of science teachers not just because of the money but because if you are good at science and engineering there are jobs out there pushing the boundaries of what's possible, which is far more interesting than teaching 200 year old science to kids who don't give a sh*t. The old quote 'He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches.' is still valid.

Brilliant dragon. Haven't heard that old chestnut for a while. Well done on a highly original, swooping generalisation; I applaud your open mindedness and forward thinking which is not doubt a well formed and reasoned argument with a breadth of evidence to support it.

If maths teachers are in short supply and the argument goes that they can earn more in other fields , what's the STW teacher view on paying a maths teacher premium of, say, 30%? How much whining can we expect from the nearest impoverished history teacher who couldn't cut it at maths A level then? 🙂

Problem is Stoner you then get people with different degrees like science wanting to be maths teachers so science becomes worse. Anyway pay isnt the major reason for teacher shortages as far as I can see. Its work load.

Dragon 2/10 please try harder

There's a lot of twaddle being spouted here.
Science is brilliant, I'd happily teach it as I love working with kids, I'm put out off by friends who've gone into it because the workload sucks and the education sec being on a mission to devalue your job doesn't help.

The pay argument does not stack up though because there's way more science graduates than jobs and trust me the pay in science is crap.
I absolutely love my job but there's plenty of other jobs out there where I could have used my degree to earn a lot more,(including teaching !) plenty of my friends from uni did.
I'm also privvy to the salaries in my department at a major London uni and I garuantee that most people would be surprised at how little many senior scientists earn.

The pay argument does not stack up though because there's way more science graduates than jobs and trust me the pay in science is crap.
I absolutely love my job but there's plenty of other jobs out there where I could have used my degree to earn a lot more,(including teaching !)

Really, I got paid a more doing post doc work. Found it as dull as hell though. Say what you like about teaching, its never dull!!

I'm fortunate enough to very much enjoy my research, but I'm not in it for the salary.
Id really like to be an archaeologist though and the salaries there are even worse..

I think some people haven't quite got to grips yet with why a teacher chooses to teach....

I think some people haven't quite got to grips yet with why a teacher chooses to

When I left university it seemed mainly because there weren't many jobs and they were paying people quite well to do the PGCE.

Just left teaching after 14 years...

@jam bo... You confirm my point well....your viewpoint is probably how Nicky Morgan views it too....(for context, I've spent seven years working with hundreds of different teachers from around the country who work in both public and private schools and I've completed research on education too)...

I wanted to make a difference in young people's lives.

I said that during my meeting and was told I made a huge impact on children's lives and even the parents asked for me to stay. Was offered more money too.

I've done my service to society and I refuse work flat out 18 hrs a day unless they paid more but you'll end up dead so f that.

Thought about returning to research as I understood complex things and enjoyed the problem solving - too easy?

Now it's time to make or break.

Thanks kids for letting me teach you. It's been an honour to watch your mind grow/give you the encouragement you needed to be successful.

As with Jeremy Hunt as Health Secretary, I look at her and think; is she evangelically forcing through some mad uber-ideological, neo-liberal scorched earth end-of-days scenario, or is it that she's just an utterly clueless ****-wit, who's completely detached from reality?

As with Hunt, I've concluded that it's both

Binners, do not under estimate the Tories, they are not idiots screwing things up they know exactly what they are doing. Mrgan went to the conference for a reason

Unfortunately, I agree with you. Their policies all come from a terrifyingly mad ideological zeal to privatise everything in sight, completely destroy local government, and all forms of representative democracy, saddling us for ever with irreversible unacountable corporate rule.

But the likes of Hunt and Morgan aren't the evil masterminds of this plot. We all know who they are. Morgan, Hunt and their ilk are just useful idiots. Governmental cannon fodder who'll just go out and say what they're told to say by Osbourne

Their policies all come from a terrifyingly mad ideological zeal to privatise everything in sight

Well that not very good at that are they. Government spending largely doesn't change that much - ok this lot are trying to bring it down to 90s levels - they ring fence essential services etc and seem to ensure that government plays a very large role in the allocation of scarce resources. Like most parties they seem to be more in favour of a mixed economy but I could be wrong.

completely destroy local government, and all forms of representative democracy, saddling us for ever with irreversible unacountable corporate rule.

Do referenda not count, how about shifting the tax burden towards large corporates?

At least they are not preaching "Education, education, education" as if somehow it really was important.

Could you run me through how repeatedly reducing corporation tax is placing an additional tax burden on corporates?

I'm sure there's some perfectly rational explanation that I've somehow missed.

Over to you....

Yes there is - the tax rate may grab the headlines but only tell you part of the story. As always budgets are exercises in sleight of hand - headlines to keep supporters happy/detractors frothy, reality for those who can be bothered to check.

As mentioned before always misleading to look at the tax system from the perspective of one tax. UK tax burden on corporate effectively unchanged by budget. Worse if you are a bank.

Never has one person written so much without saying anything!

You do yourself a disservice AA

Binners, you are the chancellor's best friend - you believe what he wants you to believe. 😉

Cutting the marginal rate means a reduction in tax revenues of approx £950m. Changing various allowances at the same time - and other hidden sleights of hand - raise close to £9bn. Overall effect is gov will raise an additional £4bn from corporates as at result of the budget. But you do have to be bothered to go beyond the headlines to notice this - or run a company!!

Never has one person written so much without saying anything!

To be fair all THM's post are cryptic drivel, alluding to some mass injustice against the rich / corporates which is so terrible be can't actually articulate it using words...

I'd guess he has some form of PTSD from having to pay tax.