[Closed] News of the World RIP

[s]ooooh, let's see her dish it on the Murdochs then.....[/s]

Klunk - Member

oops miss read the headline on the beeb, no longer in charge of the internal investigation

ah well, the intruige continues...

33 years ago..

john peels favourite Jam song 😯 😕

You don't like newspapers? Understandable, I suppose. What are your opinions about sweeping generalisations?

I'm entitled to my opinion aren't I?

I can't remember the last time I felt I got my moneys worth out of a newspaper! Best use for most pages is lining the cats litter tray. It often seems fitting to see runny cat poo across some headlines/articles.

I can fully see the point that less media/media freedom etc etc is bad. AND I AGREE. But don't forget it is the media who are reporting on this and pushing that down our necks. A crappy paper has gone, something else (or more) will take it's place. With any luck something will have been learnt. Not just how to hack phones!

And yes, I have read some insightful articles in the past (SO MORE AGREEMENT THERE) that have been well researched, written, eye opening etc etc but on the whole I am left very underwhelmed due to the magnitude of some of the utter pish. More good stuff, less bad stuff - it's not hard. Unfortunately its the bad stuff that makes headlines and sells papers.

Now we have to sit through all the politicians on TV, especially Cameron and Milliband. Urgh, time to put cbeebies on as it's more factual that what comes out of politicians mouths! If only we could sack the lot of them and start again.

In case some people haven't noticed there will be a full and independent judicial inquiry into this scandal. So whatever has been happening until recently, any further cover-ups are out of the question. Unless of course you think that the independent judicial inquiry is also part of an elaborate establishment cover-up. In which case you probably also think that the Prince Philip ordered Princess Diana's death.

Although the Hutton report was also a full and independent judicial inquiry. 😕

Almost always the rule is the more newspaper OWNERS, the better

France 3 summed it up nicely with wry smiling and gloating: Cameron's king-maker media mogal hacks phones with police collaboration and then Cameron demands the police investigate their own wrong doing.

Nothing to miss Another Two bob paper.
Best thing to do is boycott all of Murdoch's enterprises
This is a person that simply has no morals on the living nor the dead

If only we could sack the lot of them and start again.

The next general election will be in 2015, at the latest. Don't forget to vote.

Not sure having them all in the same stable actually helps even if you had lots the same.

Let's keep this in perspective. Murdoch actually only owns 2 daily papers, and now, only just one Sunday paper. Personally I don't think he should own any UK papers - he has proved to be unfit to own something as important as a national British paper ....... with great power comes great responsibility, as Spiderman's dad once told him. But the Times is nevertheless still an excellent newspaper, and the Sun was crap when Murdoch bought it, so not much change there then.

As far as the Guardian being the only media outlet that pushed this story is concerned, firstly I'm not sure that's true - certainly the Independent has being following this story long before the Wapping meltdown. And secondly, blame the consumers - the Guardian has a tiny circulation and yet people are perfectly free to buy it. If it's circulation figures started to hit the 2 million mark, then other papers would have to start considering covering the sort of stories that the Guardian does. But right now consumers are saying that they're not generally interested in that sort of stuff.

If you want to change that situation then I'm afraid that the solution lies in political education and a political awareness. So get involved and agitate politically, or do nothing, other than moan, and put up with the situation.

France 3 summed it up nicely........Cameron demands the police investigate their own wrong doing.

Only he hasn't.

France 3 is obviously crap at reporting the facts.

whats the chances of a total failure
None - all of Murdoch's UK titles, including News of the World, account for just 4% of News Corporation's turnover.

Quite high now as the US can start using the FCPA which has resulted in jail time and destitution for those convicted of bribing foreign officials. It's only 5 years prison but the asset forfeiture clauses really sting!

Obviously if Murdoch is convicted of corruption, then News Corporation is in dire trouble.

But News Corporation will not collapse/go bankrupt/whatever, because of the News of the World has folded. Which I believe was the sentiment behind the question.

your usual inaccuracies and distortions of facts ernie

with great power comes great responsibility, as Spiderman's dad once told him.

You know what, I believe you're right Junkyard .....I think it was indeed his uncle what said it.

It's a fair cop.

lol @ junkyard!

Massive scoop: it appears that sunonsunday.co.uk has now indeed been revealed to have been registered to News International. Whoodathunkit.

France 3 must have somehow seamlessly editied and falsified footage from parliament then Ernie. They showed him speaking to the house and demanding a police investigation. I'm neither deaf nor blind. He was demanding the police investigate not a public enquiry, so the police inestigate crimes they were involved in; their own wrong doing.

Europe 1 have just reported the story claiming one of the NOTW journos involved was working for Cameron as recently as last year.

I'm neither deaf nor blind. He was demanding the police investigate not a public enquiry, so the police inestigate crimes they were involved in; their own wrong doing.

Well I'm starting to suspect that maybe you are both deaf and blind, with your claims that David Cameron was demanding that the police investigate their own wrong doing.

I don't know what the situation is in France, but here in Britain the days when the police investigated themselves are long gone - in fact it was in 1985 when the Police Complaints Board was scrapped. And it was scrapped for the very reasons you would expect, ie, it is ridiculous for the police to investigate themselves.

I suggest to tip off ill-informed France 3 about the facts.

........and that in future you rely on the world's highest quality news provider - the BBC.

.......and that in future you rely on the world's highest quality news provider - the BBC.

Certainly not since the Hutton report.

Why, who did Lord Hutton suggest was the world's highest quality news provider in his report ?

He didn't he just cut the bbc's balls off at the request of his political masters.

So why should we be bothered about what Lord Hutton had to say concerning the BBC then ?

EDIT : Sorry, I'm half asleep, I now understand what you're saying - the BBC isn't quite as effective as it was before Hutton/Greg Dyke etc. I couldn't agreed more - another thing we can be grateful to the right-wingers who seized control of the Labour Party for, even the Tories couldn't/wouldn't shaft the BBC like New Labour did.

Fortunately the BBC is so much head and shoulders over all other news providers, that it is still the best news provider in the world - despite New Labour.

You claimed they are the best, I just raised one of the reasons they are very far from being so.

Who is the best then?

I edited before your last post MSP. I was right first time - you are claiming that the BBC is no longer the best news provider in the world because of Hutton. So the question still stands - who is now ?

There is no stand out news organisation. And it would be a mistake to believe that one news organisation gives anywhere near an accurate picture of events. However I now find most others deal with facts better than the BBC which has become fixated with some sort of human interest magazine style journalism.

it would be a mistake to believe that one news organisation gives anywhere near an accurate picture of events.

😕 Really ? All news organisations give inaccurate pictures of events ?

All news stories you read in newspapers or watch on the TV or listen on the radio are inaccurate ?

I would say the opposite - most news organisation give a fairly accurate picture of events.

Do you have a generally conspiratorial view of the world MSP ?

I will give an example from a few years ago, when the UK was hit with floods.

The BBC was full of people wailing that there houses were wet and there lives were ruined ect, but failed to convey any facts about the movement of the floods.
Sky news was giving out good information on where and when high water marks was going to strike along the rivers, and then jumping straight into blaming the (then labour) government for its lack of planning and preparedness.

Both organisations reporting was flawed, and missing large chunks of information that was required to fully appreciate the events. But it was a perfect example of how both organisations reported a wide spectrum of events.

It's an interesting car crash. The paper doing the investigating reckons that the dog eat dog world within NI will cause the investigation to snowball. I had forgotten about our own beloved RIPA as well which will enable a lot of computer based evidence to be discovered.
Idiot executive that tried to delete the e-mail archive should be sweating now. The company they use for back up services would appear to have the full one still and they're unlikely to get in the way of a snowballing police investigation.
If the Murdochs are declared not fit and proper to run a media outlet in this country, it will probably spread around the English speaking world.

ernie, have a read of this:

[url] http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/ [/url]

It's about Fox news, so no massive surprises, but obviously Fox is owned by Murdoch and news corp, their standpoint has been upheld by the US courts and supported by the other big news networks.

Thanks nedrapier, but I'm not entirely sure why you want me to read that :

[i]"In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States"[/i]

I don't think that should really come as any surprise to anyone.

If it is to challenge my claim that [i]"most news organisations give a fairly accurate picture of events"[/i] I don't think it does that.

Have a look at this :

http://news.google.co.uk/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn

It provides fairly accurate coverage of current events........I'm sure you'll agree.

The BBC is blantant government propaganda, Ernie. This was never more so obvious than the run up to Gulf war II. While the British public were being fed Blair's 45 minutes lie the French and German populations were getting regualar on-the-ground reports from Hans Blix and balanced view of the options. You didn't get to see this prophetic speech at the time but French media showed it in full and Eins Extra showed enough to make it clear inspections were working and getting more thorough by the day.

As for the reporting of the war we got Americans throwing hand grenades into people's living rooms while you got your heros doing a fantastic job winning hearts and minds.

If you were watching foreign telly, how do you know what was on our screens here in the UK?? 😕

The BBC is blantant government propaganda

Don't be so silly. 🙄

No comments from the Cleggster (who must be releaved that the spotlight is now off him and his incompetence) as he watches Cameron desperately trying to get back on the front foot whilst Ed Millibanana gets all over it like a cheap suit... Interesting week ahead.

PS: And Vince Cable must now be having a quiet chuckle or two with himself.

Have you learnt your diversionary tactics from Zulu-eleven Edukator ?

What has the Iraqi war got to do with your alleged claim that France 3 said, quote : [i]"Cameron demands the police investigate their own wrong doing"[/i] which is so obviously false ?

You didn't get to see this prophetic speech at the time

Yes I did. I saw Dominique de Villepin's speech to the UN on BBC's News 24. I remember it very clearly because I was highly impressed by it - specially it coming from a conservative politician.

So you've discovered that the BBC gives a lot of prominence to reporting what the British government's position on current issues is, whilst French broadcasters give a lot of prominence to reporting the French government's positions.

What [i]exactly[/i] is your point ?

And do you fancy getting back on to the topic of Wappingate ?

The BBC is blantant government propaganda

You saw selected bits of de Villepin's speech on News 24. Bits selected to suit the British governments's agenda. News 24 is a rolling news channel and in all the years I watched never showed a complete 15 minute speech by anyone.

The BBC as you rightly note reports the British government's position on current issues. I've noted German and French channels make a point of presenting alternative views too and challenging government statements where they believe them to be untrue. It's know as investigative jounalism. Something the NOTW was quite good at.

I'm a little disturbed by the universal rejoicing on theis thread at the closing of NOTW. The gutter press it certainly was but it was also a source of information. It's disappearance continues a trend of silencing the press. A legal system that makes it illegal to reveal things about personalities and the closure of threads on this forum, and now a controversial paper goes too. All you'll have left before long is BBC government propaganda.

You're wide of the mark, "Edukator" ([i]sic[/i]), the BBC doesn't push the [i]government[/i] line, it pushes the left-wing faction of the Establishment's line.

Not the same thing.

Edukator - Member

You saw selected bits of de Villepin's speech on News 24.

Thank you for trying to remind what I saw Edukator, but remember, I was there. I saw Villepin's speech to the UN live on BBC News 24. It was an extremely important speech at the UN, at an extremely critical time in international relations, and unsurprisingly, the BBC broadcast it live.

I'm a little disturbed by the universal rejoicing on theis thread at the closing of NOTW.

Where's this [i]universal[/i] rejoicing on at the closing of the News of the World ? I'm certainly not rejoicing - a point which I've already made. I see no reason why 200 people should be sacked just to save Rebekah Brooks skin**. If Murdoch no longer wants ownership of the News of the World then he should have been forced to sell the 168 year old paper.

**EDIT : I'm aware that it's more complex than just trying to bury the issue by saying "NoW is no more". It's an attempt to deal with nuclear meltdown at Wapping by encasing and sealing NoW in a concrete sarcophagus to stop anymore toxic leaks. I don't think this desperate measure will work though - the fallout will continue.

On social and economic issues I'm inclined to agree Mr Woppit. France 2 is a similarly lefty-biased approach over here. That balances the right-wing approach of Bouygue's TF1. I haven't been able to get ITV for 25 years but I assume that provides viewing with a right-wing bias.

Unfortunately, this one will run for some time longer. There is much more muck-raking to go through before this dies. It hasn't reached the bottom yet.

I haven't been able to get ITV for 25 years but I assume that provides viewing with a right-wing bias.

No it doesn't.

The BBC is blantant government propaganda, Ernie.

Rubbish. I think the way Blair lied to us about going to war was outrageous, but in no way was the BBC supportive of it.

But just as an aside, do you remember there being any sort of question over the behaviour of Dominique Strauss-Kahn in the French media prior to his recent arrest? (or even after?)

Ernie:

The loss of a newspaper is almost always tragic

If you remove "almost" from your above quote (thus showing unambiguous regret at the closure of the NOTW), I'll remove "universal" from my comment about rejoicing, Ernie.

the BBC doesn't push the government line, it pushes the left-wing faction of the Establishment's line.

Explain please Woppit.