Just before Christmas we traded in a Fiat 500 for a Tourneo Connect so that Abigale had more room for the bikes and wasn't relying on us for the shuttling.
Went for it rather than the van for the creature comforts, we were surprised that's what an 18 year old would chose but its not as bad as everyone makes out, she loves it.
Went for the Titanium 1.6 petrol eco boost with the six speed auto box. To get the full bike in with wheels attached you need to compress the forks to clear the rear roof shelf but she just lays it on the side.
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Do you really need a hatch equipped coupe when we've got 400bhp hatchbacks?
for pure speed, obviously not. However for a feeling of 'specialness', a balanced chassis, a better seating position etc, I think sports cars still offer something over and above a hot hatch - it just it seems that these days, practicality is not it 🙂 back in the late 80s/early 90s it seemed most coupes\sports cars had hatches, now I can't think of one outside of the TT.
5labfor pure speed, obviously not. However for a feeling of 'specialness', a balanced chassis, a better seating position etc, I think sports cars still offer something over and above a hot hatch - it just it seems that these days, practicality is not it
I think in terms of choice we're better off now. Practicality isn't going to be high up the list of considerations for most people who want a coupe or sports car. And if it is, well there'll probably be a hot hatch with a very similar power train that offers it. I know what you're saying but it's probably a niche within a niche and there are just better options.
5lab back in the late 80s/early 90s it seemed most coupes\sports cars had hatches,
Current Scirroco is the only one I can think of. Maybe the F-Type, but the boot doesn't look all that useable.
Who needs a hatch on a sports car?
I can fit a bike in my boxter with the wheels off...(and the roof down)
Ideal bike carrying vehicle...
Why do you [i]need[/i] to PX your current car, especially if there's nothing you actually want to buy?
Not having a pop at you OP, just can't imagine thinking like this myself. Is your current car a disaster or something?
A caddy's hardly inspiration compared to a Toyota verso....
I'd have a Caddy in a heartbeat.I'd have a Verso when my heart had stopped beating...
why ? what does it do better ? it doesnt look any better unless you drive it through halfords and lower it with bling wheels and other tat....and even thats subjective - its still just a van - with a similar internal capacity to a verso.
Why do you need to PX your current car, especially if there's nothing you actually want to buy?
i just can't be arsed with the hassle of selling a £1000 car privately, i like the simplicity of just handing the keys over and using it as a deposit.
current car is a Nissan Note i've had from new, it's 10 years old, done 85k on a 1.4 petrol and WBAC recon it's worth £1060 in good condition, which the paint work isn't.
i want to put a bike in whole without taking the wheels off. mostly a fat bike and sometimes two. i don't want anything bling, i don't want a berlingo as the reviews on reliability scare me.
i like the look of the torneo but £13k is really the top limit. £10k would be easier.
i currently do around 5k miles a year so a diesel wouldn't be ideal
Yeti takes a full sus upright with wheels on. Remove front wheels and 3 bikes 3 people is doable.
MIL has a Tourneo Connect SWB which will take several bikes whole. They have the 1.0L petrol version, which drives fine even fully laden with Dive kit. Petrol engines are quite rare though, most are diesels.
why ? what does it do better ? it doesnt look any better unless you drive it through halfords and lower it with bling wheels and other tat....and even thats subjective - its still just a van - with a similar internal capacity to a verso.
Because a van is far more useful to me and personally more appealing than an old persons mini-mpv
Ours was two years old, 2500 miles and less than you want to pay.
If you want to do that then the Caddy Maxi Life ticks every box.
Unlike the Tourneo you don't have to compress the forks to put a full bike in.
7 seats IF you ever need an outing, 5 with a mahoosive boot,
4 with one full bike inside fulltime
3 with 2 full bikes inside full time
Twin sliding doors as standard
Tailgate
Will even take full size sheets of ply if you feel the need.
Standard kit in them is high spec, etc
I've had 5 adults, 5 bikes and 5 sets of kit plus spares in mine once before it was sold on to a friend and they still use it for the gardening business, 4 boys, bikes, tools, etc.
Mondeo ST155 estate, and since that's boring, spend the rest on about a third of a kilo of coke.
£13k may get you the Octavia vrs [b]diesel[/b] estate. 180+ bhp and efficient. Loads of room and cheap to run with a [b]good if not awesome driver experience[/b]
LOL
Old people movs are out hammy. Str decreed it.
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Yeah - that made me chuckle as well
Old people movs are out hammy. Str decreed it.
Nope, I expressed my preferences, so back in yer box
You would be mad not to go Electric, either full or hybrid everything else is just old stock getting cleared.
In your budget its probably non plug in hybrid, Lexus 200?
Civic Estate/Tourer?
https://usedcars.honda.co.uk/en/used-cars/approved-cars/honda/civic/16-i-dtec-black-edition-tourer-5-door-t7bd7hb
The newer berlingos are the 8 valve hdi, so the oil starvation to the turbo is sorted. just use the correct oil and change more frequently, all good.
Another plus point is it uses an Eloy additive which only needs replacing 60 to 80k. No regen issues, no adblue topping up.
I have a 62 plate, only issue has been ABS wire break, fixed under warrenty.
You would be mad not to go Electric, either full or hybrid everything else is just old stock getting cleared.In your budget its probably non plug in hybrid, Lexus 200?
I have shown no interest in hybrid as we got ford escapes at work and were told the batteries would last 5 years and were more than the residual value of the vehicle, this hasn't proved true so far
so I just looked at that Lexus and theres some nice examples for 10k with full history and low miles, I would be interested to speak to someone who has owned an older hybrid to get their take
You would be mad not to go Electric, either full or hybrid everything else is just old stock getting cleared.
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The CT200H is very small in the back. You can get a bike in it with the wheels off, front off just, but that's it. You maybe able to get another lying on top of the other one, but lie em' both down it is.
I had one for a 2 month "test" just before I bought my current car, nice it was, drove lovely, nippy but you have no space in the rear. All the electric gizmos are great, built very very well and a premium vehicle it is. But, ave mpg was 52, best 58, worst 37 so whilst a nice place to sit in, economical compared to small diesels it is just about/maybe less than current new age small diesel powered cars.
Also, battery life I was told is 9 years, then £5k to replace..
And I had a Prius for London running around in, don't get one, they're horrid.
I think the rear roof shelf is model specific on the Tourneo Connect and it's only on her 29er Enduro that she needs to compress the forks a bit. The other bikes clear it.
No need to be scared CZ they even do them for the insecure types.
You would be mad not to go Electric, either full or hybrid everything else is just old stock getting cleared.
Jezza and captain slow showed that not to be the case in a road test.
If a full electric car meets your needs you would likely be able to cover that journey with other options.
Not exactly unbiased and now out of date, folk should keep up with the times.
A tesla with the ludicrous mode is faster than any petrol car, gets 300 miles from a charge and you can charge quickly and often freely in thousands of places.
Fossil fuel cars would be dead in the water if the manufacturers knew how to transition to elecrtric without killing their golden goose.
Google 'fully charged' if you want to learn or just quote the old duffer in a sports jacket
wilburtNot exactly unbiased and now out of date, folk should keep up with the times.
A tesla with the ludicrous mode is faster than any petrol car, gets 300 miles from a charge and you can charge quickly and often freely in thousands of places.
Well speaking of unbiased, yes the top of the range £139,000 Tesla Models P100d is right up there in 0-60 acceleration but weight and aerodynamics hold it back a bit as speeds get higher, or over 1/4 mile. Also if you want to "make progress" or just drive spiritedly it won't get anywhere near the quoted range. Less than half. And there appear to be about 20 Tesla Superchargers in the UK?
Yeti takes a full sus upright with wheels on. Remove front wheels and 3 bikes 3 people is doable.
I have no idea how you managed to get a bike in a Yeti with the wheels on and upright! Even with the front wheel removed my bike barely fitted in upright - the rear wheel had to go into the slight gap between the front seat and rear door to fit (29er)
2 bikes only just went in upright with all the seats removed too. I found there was barely enough room for the handlebars when upright - where the third bike would go with one seat remaining I have no clue!
Full sus upright in a yeti
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Blimey, I see how you have done it, but still can't believe it! I'm sure there was no way I could get my Yeti ArcC in mine like that when I had it.
Happy to be corrected 🙂
Baffles people when i pull a fully built up bike from it. Everyones putting wheels back on and turning handle bars taking bikes out of hatches and estates. A full bike rolls out from a wierd little suv thing.
You dont have to use tesla chargers, you can charge at home or the other charge providers.
I realise I'm unlikely to convince people who still think 'jezza' is a thing and its not really relevant to this thread anymore but fossil fuel cars are as dead as a dodo.
And how much to buy a basic Tesla ?
What's the life span of them ?
No doubt it'll be the case one day but the future is not yet here. You'll still be an early adopter and it may well be the betamax given how destructive lithium mining is.
Tesla are pushing into battery tech in a big way trying to get away from lithium as a constituent part of their batteries
Batteries are lasting better than first thought, theres even a market in second hand and repurposed ones that are outlasting the cars.
Prices come down with scale and thats part of the issue manufacturers have that and not knowing how to say to customers that elec is better than something they make a lot of money from. Tesla makes the best cars because they don't have to fit their cars into a petrol line up.
Having said that take a look at the latest Ren Zoe, Hyundai Ioniq, Bmw i3 or the dozens of new hybrids from VW, BMW
All very capable cars and no longer that new these are second, third or even fourth gen.
.Gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/vehicles-registered-on-or-after-1-april-2017
guess now is the time to train up as an electrical specialist for cars ... cant see jimmys back street garage fixing your hybrid.
hybrid sounds great when its new - i can just imagine the cost of repairing one when a solder joint goes dry in the charging circuit.
ive seen the mess local garage mechanics who like changing wheel bearings and tires make of electrical repairs.
and FWIW im not against electric vehicles ESP for city use. I built an electric xtracycle for my city travel as more often than not it was just me and a few bags going in and out of town BUT i did not want to arrive sweaty and in cycling clothes.
Why have you brought Tesla into a thread where RDs budget is £13k max? And he wants to fit bikes in it too.
You've clearly got wild imaginations.
absolutely bikebouy...
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a 13 grand electric car ( yes you get them for like 2-3 grand used on autotrader how ever the battery rental charge per month has to be paid on top of that)
Thanks Emma,
Interesting vehicle tax changes worthy of a thread itself.
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables/vehicles-registered-on-or-after-1-april-2017
bikeboy et al..you'll need to read how it developed especially the bit when I said its no longer relevant to this thread.
Continuing the electric theme.
I recently bought a Nissan Leaf electric car.
Bit of a squeeze to get a bike in the back, but it will fit with front wheel off.
Look at a one year old used model. I bought a top of the range Tecna with all the toys for £12,500.
4,000 miles from new, full warranty etc. Just like a new car.
Excellent, wouldn't go back to a petrol or diesel car.
Had a charge point installed at home, there is a Nissan and government grant for this , cost £95 to have the 7kw charger.
No road tax, quiet, drives extremely well, best car I have had ever.
Won't suit everyone due to the range issues, but would suit a large majority of drivers who don't drive more than say 60 miles each day.
Get a veg oil burning 4x4 and out green the electric brigade. No problems with getting the bikes in the back, great driving position, and using recycled veg oil. Don't forget that they are an absolute joy to drive.
yes but then your stuck driving something from 1998 mostly.... what modern engines can run on veg oil ?
my 200tdi does sterling job on 80 veg /20 diesel in the summer but in winter in scotland it needs 100% derv as on the cold days the veg oil starts to gel at relitively normal temps.
Dennis
how has it affected your house electric bill?
