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Booyah!
..so your life does have meaning after all. not much if that's all it takes, but some.
I was the chairman of an airgun club until 2009. I gave up because of the majority of people who were coming along to join were complete knobbers. I was quite disgusted that the local gun shops would actually sell an airgun to such scrotes when mis-use was highly likely.
Carrying knives is already illegal with a legitimate reason - hence no licensing. The fact that they're not enforced very well is a failing of the police / government to provide adequate resources to enforce.
After tackling the widespread misuse (145/@500,000) perhaps they could then focus on those tartan hooligans who ensnare animals with metal throught their mouths before yanking them out of their natural habitat and wacking them over the head with a big stick. Nasty bunch, really! 😉
Still diverts attention from th Independence vote at least, and that's a blessing.
[quote=Zulu-Eleven ]And Druidh Spanners it over the post in trying to score points against the Zulu!
"We are not consulting on the principle of licensing - this will happen"
Kenny MacAskill
Booyah!
That there will be licensing is not in doubt. However you are incorrect in your assertion that the Scottish Parliament has decided how the issuing of licences will be determined. That's why a consultation document has been issued.
Whereas, to own a shotgun, you don't need do demonstrate a legitimate reason for ownership, firearms law specifically states that all you have to demonstrate is that you have a secure place to keep it, and that you are of good character - the only justifiable reason to refuse a shotgun licence is if the police believe you may constitute a danger to the public.
Well you do sort of seeing as Mr Plod comes along to interview you before you get the licence. I suspect that the police will not be involved in airgun licensing.
... and I agree that they should be licensed.
Pops in, sees Zulu pwned again.
And now referring to himself in the third person. A new meltdown has started.
Pics from the bible please. 😆
What they should really do is change the rules so that anything that can fire a projectile with > x joules of energy requires to be licensed / ownership and use to be justified to the authorities. That way you get everything from the air rifle pellet at 800 ft/sec to the heavy slow moving stuff too
Which is how the UK law stands now. Anything over 12 ft/lb requires a license. The legal limit is set to 12 ft/lb, which equates to just under 600 ft/sec (varies a bit according to pellet).
There's a few people here should go and read the consultation document.
Proposal is for anything over 1 Joule.
Proposal is for it to be administered by the Police.
Proposal recognises that most airguns sold in Scotland cost < £100 and the charge needs to be appropriate.
Plinking (shooting at targets in your back garden) will not be a legitimate use.
The point is some people, particularly in inner city areas, feel intimidated by people with air guns, and there are a reasonable number of idiots shooting at people and animals for fun with them. It was a manifesto issue at the last election and democracy elected the government. Therefore the government are consulting, don't argue on here about it respond to the consultation.
Carrying knife without just cause, drink driving, domestic violence and whatever other issues people highlighted are already crimes. I believe this probably is enforceable: a simple "carrying in public" would not be as by the time police respond they have gone and in my experience a lot of it is conducted from the privacy of people homes out the window.
Clong - your velocity:muzzle energy statement is valid only for .22 calibre pellets. .177 calibre weigh about half.
"Proposal is for it to be administered by the Police."
It already takes nearly four months for the grant or renewal of a shotgun cert..so this will be..well..interesting in its administration
Take a look at the consultation document:
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2012/12/5619/0
Basically they want to stop all (air gun) shooting that's not at a range/club. So more restrictive than that for shotguns and firearms.
And just noticed that they want an 18 y/o age limit. A bit odd that, when a 14 y/o can have a FAC.
Or is it 'class war' 😉 Airguns for city poor, FAC for estate and countryside folk?
"I think it's a great idea, we have a license system for cars and it seems to work very effectively as I've yet to see anybody on this forum complain about a car being used illegally or inappropriately"
Oh yeah? The world is full of idiots driving in a stupod manner.
Just another stupid nanny state idea to restrict the innocent many because of the idiot few.