The comments on this video deliver.
Maybe I’ve missed the point, he just seems to be saying the new model Y is slightly better than the old model Y, but also more expensive.
I typed something similar and assumed I'd missed something important and deleted my post.
Maybe I’ve missed the point
You may have misinterpreted the word "comments"
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You may have misinterpreted the word “comments”
I certainly did, lol! I thought the op meant the comments from the person reviewing the object.
Do I dare open it in youtube and look at the comments? are they NSFW?
EDIT..ok i did..
Model SS coming soon.... hahah...
damn..i'd be afraid to drive a tesla in the EU at the momemt...not that I'd be stupid enough to buy one n the first place, but I do feel sorry for those that are on the hook.
Never engage lane keep assist, it will drag you to the far right.
“the self driving feature was only following orders”
But who’s orders…
The video I had to turn off after 45 seconds, it’s like someone ordered Jeremy Clarkson from Wish.
It’s a bloody good thing I read that before I took a mouthful of red wine…
…although the carpet is roughly red wine coloured, so there is that. It would have been a waste of good wine, though.
Not surprisingly, people don’t want to buy a car from a fascist
https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3lhc4xxbdqs27
I scrolled down pretty far and didn’t find a single comment that wasn’t on point, which was incredibly satisfying
new Swasticar
Voltswagen?
That was some proper chuckles, although some of the jokes were straying a little too far....
Voltswagen?
Apparently they’ve been forgiven for actually being right in it whereas super chump doing a Nazi salute to his new TrumpenFuhrer means all drivers of his vehicles must be punished/ridiculed for their lack of prescience and must immediately get rid of it.
Do people learn nothing at all other than grab the opportunity to pile on others given any opportunity . 🙁
Piling on to a megalomaniac neofascist and not giving him money seems a better response than looking the other way.
I'm genuinely glad I didin't buy one. Yes, they're good cars, but...
I think I’m with @dudeofdoom here. I’m no fan of Musk but I’m not comfortable with piling on to people who happen to drive a Tesla. The right are trying to divide us, let’s not play into their hands.
Anyone who buys a Tesla, uses Twitter, or subscribes to Starlink after what he did is directly funding a Nazi. There's a word for people like that.
people who happen to drive a Tesla.
A marque owned and dominated by an (apparently) fascist narcissist should be avoided at all costs. Add in the sociopathic design of his truck, and it's pretty clear to me that it's a brand to be swerved; I'm yet to meet a Tesla driver who isn't aware of him.
But yeah, carry on knocking VW for events from over 80 years ago by all means. If that whataboutery justifies appeasing a live issue, then good for you. If it's a 'pile on' for those folk that have bought into Musk, or pretend otherwise, then some good may come out of it.
Volkswagen, and I am sure along with a lot of European industrialists, but volkswagon in particular have been very effective in pressuring the German government to delay electrification across europe, and the whole German car industry is gaining traction for reduced employment rights, welfare cuts, and tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. See the current tax plans for the German election, the right and the centrists will make the poorer poorer and the richer richer, while demonising immigrants. The greens are the only sizable party that reverses this trend.
The oligarchy does not start and end with Musk and the other tech bro scum. They just make it so obvious but we should be looking all around at the political financing and lobbying that is going on to the detriment of 90% of the population.
But that doesn't mean we can't laugh at tesla's also, and get off the crappy oligarch driven far right promoting social media platforms.
If it’s a ‘pile on’ for those folk that have bought into Musk, or pretend otherwise, then some good may come out of it.
No it won’t. All piling on to Tesla drivers does is create another wedge issue and plays right into their hands.
The playbook for these people is well established now and it starts with polarisation; divide the electorate into us and them by creating wedge issues.
For what it’s worth, unlike, I suspect, a lot of people piling into the comments section of YouTube I am in the market for a (second hand) EV and was considering a Tesla Model Y as it suits my requirements quite well. Musk’s antics mean that I’ve taken it off my shortlist. So, yes, that’s a political act. But what I’m not going to do is seek to ridicule those who took a different decision to me.
Explaining to a potential Tesla driver that you're buying into a toxic brand is not the same as dividing society based on gender, race or sexuality. It's just a car in that sense.
Buying something because it's the right tool for the job is fine, unless that tool is made by a tool. If people buy into Tesla because of the image, then the pile on is deserved - see also Chelsea tractor drivers.
I'd been avoiding opening this thread, but having browsed the comments I'm glad I did
My boss and the accountant have new leased ones arriving in March unfortunately. I really want to say something but they were ordered in November before Musk went full villain. Maybe I'll buy the stickers and discreetly leave them on their desks.
But what I’m not going to do is seek to ridicule those who took a different decision to me.
What's wrong with making the atmosphere perfectly clear for those not as astute as you, that this choice will single you out as a particular type of person?
I really want to say something but they were ordered in November before Musk went full villain
It was obvious way before he got involved in the US election and did a nazi salute, the people who were denying and obfuscating his behaviour before then are really not the most observant.
I was listening to a podcast recently and someone made what I thought was an interesting point. Can’t remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines that these people (Trump, Musk etc) are brilliant at baiting liberals to the point where they start saying things that sound hysterical
I’m all for trying to explain to people that the way you spend your money has consequences but piling on to people who drive a particular car just makes you sound hysterical. Musk has said some outrageous things, but China actually tortures people and it’s vey hard to buy any EV without in some way supporting them.
When it comes to Musk I am a bit of a free speech absolutist too and tend to the “hate what you say but defend your right to say it” school. My issue is with billionaires (be that Murdoch, Musk or anyone else) being able to buy influence. But that isn’t their fault and if I were a billionaire I’m sure I’d want to try to shape the world in some way. What else do you do with all that money?
Liberal baiting is just another excuse for them, they are real.
They are and we haven’t worked out how to deal with them. I doubt that jumping for every fly they dangle is the answer. But I don’t have an answer so I’ll shut up now ?
Liberal baiting is just another excuse for them, they are real.
This is why Twitter will die on its arse - if all the libs have packed in SoMe or gone to other platforms it's not as much fun for them.
And trying this on Bluesky results in nuclear block so they can't bait the libs there either.
What else do you do with all that money?
try and buy immortality and release Xenomorphs?
but China actually tortures people and it’s vey hard to buy any EV without in some way supporting them.
Yup people seem quite happy to support an actual regime that doesn't exactly have a great human rights record if it saves them a few quid
What else do you do with all that money?
Maybe try and use it for good?
I’m all for trying to explain to people that the way you spend your money has consequences but piling on to people who drive a particular car just makes you sound hysterical. Musk has said some outrageous things, but China actually tortures people and it’s vey hard to buy any EV without in some way supporting them.
When it comes to Musk I am a bit of a free speech absolutist too and tend to the “hate what you say but defend your right to say it” school. My issue is with billionaires (be that Murdoch, Musk or anyone else) being able to buy influence. But that isn’t their fault and if I were a billionaire I’m sure I’d want to try to shape the world in some way. What else do you do with all that money?
Fantastic mental gymnastics. I just wouldn't buy a Tesla as musk is a fascist. Anyone who buys one knowing this is complicit imo. It's hardly complex.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I consider free speech being more about haivng a free press and being able to criticise the government and not risk jail, rather than standing on stage and doing nazi salutes.
I just wouldn’t buy a Tesla as musk is a fascist.
It's not a simple thing. I agree with you, I wouldn't buy a Tesla for similar reasons, but if you want an electric car and a clean conscience your options are limited. I'd quite like a Polestar or a Volvo EV, but they are Chinese which is a country run by an authoritarian regime that is committing actual genocide against the Uyghurs, and whose human rights record in general is pretty bad - at least as bad as Musk. I don't like the BMW or Merc electric options, but the VW ID7 Tourer looks interesting, and the Renault efforts also look OK, especially the R5. And if we are going to boycott Chinese EVs, then logically we should also boycott almost all mobile phones, computers and electronics, plus a lot of bicycle components, and the electricity from Hinkley Point if it ever gets finished. The Chinese have got themselves into a position where they pretty much own the west, and we should probably try to unwind that dependency, but it will take decades and cause quite a bit of pain.
You've got to be a very certain type of person to order a new Tesla these days, and the comments "they are good cars" is simply not true. They are appallingly made, try travelling in the back of one for a few hours or more, granted to tech is decent, and they do the miles , but they are typical US quality.
Yup people seem quite happy to support an actual regime that doesn’t exactly have a great human rights record if it saves them a few quid
Gitmo, privatised prisons supplying labour. The US is far from a paragon when it comes to human rights. China makes a nice distraction.
Maybe try and use it for good?
Yes, but the problem there is that what you see as good and what they see as good can be two different things.
plus a lot of bicycle components
I've tried my best to avoid Chinese built bikes and bike parts for a while now. Ironically this mostly involves avoiding some USA brands these days... Santa Cruz, Trek etc. Plenty of production going in Taiwan, Japan, Europe and elsewhere. But China manufactured small parts are getting harder and harder to avoid... looking at you Shimano.
‘try and buy immortality and release Xenomorphs?‘
very good
I'm in the market for an EV and a secondhand Tesla would absolutely have been in the shortlist - not a forgone conclusion but certainly a possible choice. Also the possibility of powerwall batteries for the house etc though to be honest I can't really afford that yet anyway.
However since the 'paedo cave guy comments I've been reluctant to go in that direction and with his comments in the last few months its an easy decision to make, especially as there is now plenty of viable options.
Renault, Peugeot, Kia, Hyundai all make excellent EVs which rival and even better Tesla - none are made in China either though I'm not sure where the batteries come from.....or I guess many of the components.
This is the key problem. The global supply chain for everything tends to have China in it somewhere. I sell roto-molded plastic Kayaks made 16 miles down the road from our shop in East Sussex. Great except all the HDPE plastic powder they use is from...you guessed it.
China is far more of a problem then Tesla - not buying anything that benefits Musk is easy.
And yes, I think its worth pointing out and calling out Tesla drivers. Not in a vicious way but its amazing how what is obvious to us might not be to others. They then might not care but thats on them.
Yes, but the problem there is that what you see as good and what they see as good can be two different things.
I am 100% sure that my version of good is what most people would think was actually good in comparison to Musks version so not really a problem.
I am 100% sure that my version of good is what most people would think was actually good in comparison to Musks version so not really a problem.
Oh, I don't doubt it but it's his billions so he's doing what he thinks is good with it. I am not condoning it in any way.
Must have missed the pile on in the YT comments, no vitriol, no rage, just pages of (mostlty) funny jokes. If you own a Tesla, you're going to get teased about Elons antics. Sorry.
From Google Gemini...
The "tolerance paradox" is a philosophical concept, primarily attributed to Karl Popper, which states that if a society extends unlimited tolerance to even those who are intolerant, it risks allowing those intolerant groups to undermine and destroy the very principle of tolerance itself, meaning a truly tolerant society must sometimes limit tolerance to protect itself from those who would actively seek to dismantle it; essentially, "to maintain tolerance, one must be intolerant of intolerance.".
In other words, pile on the Nazis.
The “tolerance paradox” is a philosophical concept
Yeah, we've had this in other threads before, I never knew there was a name for it. One of the few vocal right-wingers will say something controversial, they'll get chastised for it and they'll shoot back with "so much for the Tolerant Left." Personally I'm at peace with the notion that it's OK, laudable even, not to tolerate bigotry.
"Freedom of speech" does not mean that we have to silently accept what someone says/writes. That freedom works in both directions.
Do people learn nothing at all other than grab the opportunity to pile on others given any opportunity.
I’ll happily pile on, just by virtue of the fact that Teslas just aren’t very well made, and the technology blinds people to the fact that it makes them dangerous to drive. Which is also true of every other vehicle that has followed Tesla down the rabbit hole of using touchscreen technology for every interaction with the vehicle, which is mind-numbingly stupid and dangerous.
I worked for a company that repaired and refurbished fleet cars, we had a bunch of Teslas go through, and nobody who had anything to do with them had a good word to say about them, quality-wise.
There is a word that every engineer and designer who works in the auto industry should be forced to have tattooed on their hands: ergonomics.