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Oh and for dealing with the "rag head with an AK brigade" why waste expensive fast jet time when an A-10 or modern version of a Sky-raider, both with huge loiter time and anti ground weapon armour would be much better for the job and cheaper in the long run.
Blimey chewkw it's not a game.
Torpedoes with a range of 50+ miles...
Missiles with range of hundreds....
The only reason a carrier hasn't been sunk in the modern era is nobodies bloody tried.
They are an expensive folly which are only any good against a technologically inferior foe.
More to the point, HMS QE has been built & kitted out so badly they'd do a better job on Blue Peter with some empty washing up bottles & sticky backed plastic.
Reality setting in yet?
I want to see them dog fight with proper MIGs.
Said the 12yr old whose forgotten his Ritalin...
how does an aircraft carrier stop a suicide bomber in London?
mrlebowski - Member
Blimey chewkw it's not a game.Torpedoes with a range of 50+ miles...
Missiles with range of hundreds....
Like I say they need to get closer first ...
Unless they do a Perl Harbour type attack (not knowing your enemy(s)) I think they really need to get closer first.
I bet the full time job for all the subs are tracking each others ... 😛
The question you need to ask is why don't they try? It's a huge sitting target is it not? 😛The only reason a carrier hasn't been sunk in the modern era is nobodies bloody tried.
Why not? If you enemy is constantly trying to destroy you why not?They are an expensive folly which are only any good against a technologically inferior foe.
Reality is ... "mine (aircraft carrier) is bigger than yours and more than yours". 😛Reality setting in yet?
Is this what it's like being a right winger on STW; finding yourself (kind of) on the same side of a discussion as Chewy. I pity the poor sods, no one deserves this.
convert - Member
Is this what it's like being a right winger on STW; finding yourself (kind of) on the same side of a discussion as Chewy. I pity the poor sods.
How do you negotiate with superpowers? ... if they say you should follow their terms ...
a us carrier group consists of
1 Super Carrier
1 carrier air wing (9 squadrons)
2 Aegis guided missile cruisers
1 Destroyer squadron (2-4 ships)
2 Attack Subs
we'll have 2 carriers escorted by a couple of frigates
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On a more positive note, took shorty for a walk down to the beach at Abercorn to see the wee boat. Picked up sticks, found a rope swing, chatted about life from a 9 year olds perspective and got chips on the way home.
Very good, start the brainwashing while they are still young.
Back in the real world people are dying, because grown men like to play power games with their big toys.
a us carrier group consists of1 Super Carrier
1 carrier air wing (9 squadrons)
2 Aegis guided missile cruisers
1 Destroyer squadron (2-4 ships)
2 Attack Subs
Wasn't previous thinking that all that lot was a self contained group where aircraft protected the shipping and most of the shipping protected the carrier? Under the right attack conditions the group was only able to look after itself and could not project beyond that.
We're going to need something for the coming cod wars.
Or the war against Europe in the coming years.
Possibly digressing but politics recently has reminded me of my old head teacher, (we are back in the 70's here) his favourite saying was "a convoy can only travel at the speed of its slowest ship".
Something to consider for those knocking one out over a big boat whilst others are looking for bed.
I can't take anyone seriously who suggests buying F-14's no matter how upgraded they are.
I'd say as a naval nation having an aircraft carrier is worth it. And it gives a lot of capabilities around the world and is not just about flying fast jets.
fergal - Member
Very good, start the brainwashing while they are still young.
Is it the witchcraft that allows it to float that you find most upsetting?
dragon - Member
I can't take anyone seriously who suggests buying F-14's no matter how upgraded they are.
**** you man! Top Gun was amazing!!!1!
So do we have any planes for it?
So do we have any planes for it?
Are we allowed to include helicopters? And cardboard cutouts?
Where's that STWer with the obsessive relative with a million airfix models in the loft when the nation needs them?
And it gives a lot of capabilities around the world and is not just about flying fast jets.
"capabilities" ..is that code for something else?
Code for killing brown people.
PS. legend don't shoot the messenger.
a us carrier group consists of1 Super Carrier
1 carrier air wing (9 squadrons)
2 Aegis guided missile cruisers
1 Destroyer squadron (2-4 ships)
2 Attack Subswe'll have 2 carriers escorted by a couple of frigates
I think the plan for our carrier strike group is something along the lines of -
1 x Carrier (inc aircraft)
2 x T45 AAW Destroyers
2 x T26 ASW Frigates
1 x Astute Submarine (SSN)
RN Carrier group ready for WARRRRRRR!!!!!!!
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Back in the real world people are dying, because grown men like to play power games with their big toys.
Of course - there's the answer!! because before we invented 'big toys' grown men never killed anyone.
I doubt the first negotiating tactic is point to a new aircraft carrier and say tread carefully Donald! 😆chewkw - Member
How do you negotiate with superpowers? ... if they say you should follow their terms ...
how does an aircraft carrier stop a suicide bomber in London?
I don't know, how? Ask the Yanks why the Nimitz didn't stop that crazy shooting up the Florida nightclub.
What we should do is have an old rust bucket carrier(just for show) but then extend or "capabilities' around the world by manipulating the media and population of other countries.
Is it a plan?
Is it a plan?
??? ???????? ??? ?????????
Took a ride over to the south of Fife to see if i could spot the carrier this evening.
Bit dissapointing there was nothing to see - guess it hadn't cleared the bridges yet.
And it was utterly freezing into the bargain. Would never have thought a gabba style top would be insufficient at this time of year, but turns out i should have had leg warmers and a full softshell on 😐
What time will it hit the bridge?
Is it worth staying up for?
Low tide is at 23:30
hope they have done their sums right - anyone remember the oil rig/Erskine bridge incident?
Yep - I was riding Land's End to John O'Groats and nearly had to cycle through the Clyde Tunnel as the bridge was shut. Luckily I managed to use the Renfrew ferry instead.
She went under the bridges at about 23:50. Wasn't a lot of space to play with under the rail bridge particularly. I would put some photos up but mine were all rubbish. Still a great sight though.
Massive death machine on its way
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Our carriers, are basically big helicopter carriers and can't field mini-AWACS aircraft, so will have to make do with altitude limited Merlin choppers with a bolt on radar. We can't launch Hawkeye type aircraft which severely limits the range that our ships can detect incoming missiles or hostile aircraft.The F35B is very expensive, can't carry much and isn't a dog fighter. We should have bought off the shelf catapults, traps, Hawkeyes and Rafales/F-18Es.
They're a typical British lash-up, an expensive one at that.
Cant really find an argument against that.
Oh and for dealing with the "rag head with an AK brigade" why waste expensive fast jet time when an A-10 or modern version of a Sky-raider, both with huge loiter time and anti ground weapon armour would be much better for the job and cheaper in the long run.
I've had that conversation in the pub loads of times, despite the big boys in the US military trying to kill off the A-10, it keeps on, because, like the Harrier, it fills a very necessary rôle, but it isn't fast and shiny and good for showing-off with.
They've clearly never watched the crowd being wowed by a Harrier viffing, or a rolling short take-off into a fast vertical climb.
Trouble with the A-10 is they're running out of replacement wings, and are having to ground half the fleet.
Thats one way of looking at it..what if we spent 6.5 billion on a large boat to deliver Greggs Sausage rolls and steak bakes.
That would come in handy from day one.
Back in the real world people are dying, because grown men like to play power games with their big toys.
Deary me, did you not study 20th C history at school, or did you spend most of the time at the back of the remedial class?
I'll let you in on a little secret; Mao Tse Tung and Stalin both managed to slaughter tens of millions of people without the use of a single fast jet or chuffing great aircraft carrier!
Pol Pot managed a similar trick as well, all his troops had were AK47's.
Had a chat with somebody from BAE last weekend..... s'all about drones these days apparently
Seriously, do people think we are doing to be "dogfighting" in fast jets in the forseeable?
*ducks for cover*
Have the Harriers actually been broken up for scrap?
If they still exist, couldn't the navy just line em up on deck, just for the look of the thing, for the next decade or so ?
Pump the tyres up and you could probably roll them around a bit and really mess with the Ruskies minds
Not scrapped as such, more dismantled for parts. We'd have to buy them back as well.
Why not F-14? Excellent missile carrier, fast, very cabable radar and long range. Only got killed off as they were getting hard to maintain . The manufacturer had proposed a vastly upgraded new version (bit like the super hornet compared to the hornet) which internally would've been pretty much a new beast with avionics, internal systems like hydraulics brought up to date and more powerful engines.
Sadly the USN was obsessed with the Hornet and F-35 program, which they may pay dearly for in a Pacific conflict with the Chinese in 20 years or so.
I think they've got a rewinging program in place for the A-10.
You can fit a lot of drones on that boat.
A great big vanity project, but still more useful than a Trident sub.
Why is it taking another 9 years to commission though?
I'm another that doesn't see the point of it, unless it's for humanitarian evacuation or assistance for medical needs POV.
Just a big lump of inter-Government lahdidah "we need more money, because we are the navy and the army blokes have guns n stuff because you keep sending them into wars" horsecrap.
How many hospital beds can you fit on the deck ?
Had a chat with somebody from BAE last weekend..... s'all about drones these days apparently
F35s are liekly the last manned generation of aircraft. I think you can expect unmanned airbourne things to be launched from these in the future. But that will be some years in the future, not next week. This isn't "Amazon Delivers". Yet.
Anyway. The carriers;
1) should have a nuke running the show
2) should have catobar
They might get some kind of #2 in the future.