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I hate these type of dogs, staffies, pit bulls etc. I would happily see them all destroyed tomorrow
Oh no, poor Molly. 🙁
That must have been quite a distressing experience darcy. Have you reported it to the Police? Or could it have been a stray?
Do hope Molly will be OK, might be worth keeping her on a lead for a while until she feels comfy being outside again.
I'd have attempted to put a knee or a boot on the dog's chest or throat. Winning against dogs = pinning them to the ground, in theory.
I hate these type of owner. I would happily see them all destroyed tomorrow
Agreed, there are many people out there who should not be out there.
I heard that if you pull their front legs apart you can kill them. Thats always in the back of my mind as I walk past the shell suited chavy staffie owners in my otherwise tranquil middleclass park.
You got the contact number off the collar, yes?
Go to the police, at the -very- least I'd expect your vet bills to be recouped.
I'm not a dog person but I'm sorry to hear what happened, 's not right.
This is starting to hurt! 😈
You got the contact number off the collar, yes?
😳 In the circumstances, I didn't Cougar - I was too concerned with getting her to a vet and getting sorted - I'm annoyed with myself that I didn't have the presence of mind to get a number. Maybe, tbh, it was the best thing all around that I didn't. I'd probably have a few beers and send abusive texts or something. Appreciate your concern though - much appreciated.
don - no worries fella, you know how I feel behind all the messing. Thanks for the email - was in the pub by the time I'd got it 🙂
The thing that annoys me is that the dog is probably at home this evening with his owner oblivious to the distress caused by his negligence today - hopefully at some point he'll be visited with a pile of shit on his doorstep that he has to sort all by himself.
I rang the dog warden to see if there was any follow up but he said that because the dog wardens were all off duty when it was reported that the person who reported it was advised to call the police dog handling team 🙄
Just to play devils advocate for a minute here...
The dog had a collar on - did you really have to kick it as hard as you could half a dozen times to get it off? By your own account, it wasn't trying to kill Molly. Dogs fight sometimes, you seem to be justifying your actions by claiming it didn't later seem affected by your own vicious attack. Perhaps it couldn't tell you that it's ribs might have been broken, not actually being able to speak words and such like?
Just out of interest, if you owned a cat (you may well own a cat) and another cat was tearing chunks out of it, as cats very often do, would you hoof it 20 yards across the road?
If the other cat was several times bigger than my cat I would.
DD,
I hope both you and Molly are ok, Brian sends a few woofs to cheer you both up!
Border's are machines, they just keep going! she'll be fine most likely before you are!
Brian was bitten just above the tail last year by an Alsation, he turned and went "nuclear" and was hanging of it's jaw as it ran away in fear. I think it'll think twice next time. The owner had a moan until I reminded him that he hadn't even noticed his two large dogs attacking mine.
Dogs do play rough but I've never seen a larger, more mature dog attacking a puppy in play, it seems that it was overly aggressive and comes directly back to the owner really. You were, unfortunately, right to kick it. I would feel guilty kicking a dog but if I had too then a head shot would be ideal.
Hope Molly gets better quickly
Healing vibes
Scott and Brian
Our Westie got attacked by 2 alsatians earlier this week - got a call from a tearful wife who was with him.
The owner got his dogs off, gave them a whack and just buggered off. Wifey was too upset to think to follow him or get his details but I was appalled he didn't wait to see if he was ok.
Makes me cross that people can be so irresponsible.
Hope the puppy is ok - our dog is fine bar the bald patch where he was bitten but not had the bill through yet.
Really sorry to hear what happened, staffys really have been dealt a hard hand with the chav mentality. They are a fantastic dog, when handled with maturity and sensibility.
People, please remember, more children have killed children than Staffies have. There are bad owners like there are bad parents. If this happened to one of my dogs (or I saw it happen) I'd be calling the Police there and then to be collecting the dog, and arresting the owners!
On what planet would the Rozzers go and arrest the owners NikNak?
I'll take your devil's advocate card.
The dog had a collar on
Indeed it did, with a number that noone had answered despite being called by other people. The dog's owner was nowhere in the park.
did you really have to kick it as hard as you could half a dozen times to get it off?
My dog did nothing to provoke the other dog other than be silly enough to think it meant her no harm like all the other nice, under control dogs she plays with in the park. Just before the attack started, when I sensed that things weren't quite going to turn out nicely, I looked to the other group to ask them to call the dog off. It was then that they informed me that they hadn't a clue whose dog it was and that nobody was responding to calls to the number on the collar.
Once the attack started, there was only one way to remove the dog from mine and that wasn't to put my hand on the its collar and pull it away. A staffie (or staffie cross or whatever the **** it was) that's decided it's going to have a defenceless puppy for afternoon tea is only going to be stopped in one way. In the absence of its owner, it was down to me to decide in what way it was going to be stopped. If it had taken another half dozen kicks, I would have done it, regrettably. If I'd had to repreatedly kick its ****ing head till it was knocked unconscious, regrettably, I would have done this too.
By your own account, it wasn't trying to kill Molly.
Aye, that's true, I'm guessing that because it had her by the scruff, maybe it wasn't trying to kill her, but judging from the sounds, it was certainly trying to hurt her, again, if you didn't read the OP, without provocation on her part. Maybe it's the naive eejit in me trying in some way to find a redeemable trait in the other dog. The puncture wounds she received were 1. behind her ear (superficial) 2. on her upper cheek, quite deep, still bleeding 30 minutes, at the vet and 3. on her lower cheek, bleeding for about 15 minutes. This was not a play-fight.
Dogs fight sometimes,
They do. This wasn't a fight. This was an unprovoked attack by a much larger stronger dog (by my conservative estimation, a say, 15-20 kg vs 3.5 kg) on an otherwise happy puppy.
you seem to be justifying your actions by claiming it didn't later seem affected by your own vicious attack. Perhaps it couldn't tell you that it's ribs might have been broken, not actually being able to speak words and such like?
I'm justifying ****-all matey. I hope the dog is feeling bruised to **** this evening - but that's just me being vindictive. I hope maybe in the moments after the attack, the dog had sore ribs, maybe even broken and a sore head and connected that with attacking another dog. Whatever it's feeling this evening won't be connected with something that happened seven hours ago anyway.
In the moments after the attack, a number of people in the park came up to me to ask if Molly was ok. I was pretty shaken up, as you can imagine, and bumbled out something along the lines of being a bit sorry that I had to kick another dog in front of so many people...because everybody that had seen the incident was a bit shaken up too. To a person, they agreed that I had done the right thing - and on mature reflection, I'm still happy that I did. Both vet and veterinary nurse agreed that I had no other option. If it had been a fair fight, I'd have given Molly a few more seconds to stick up for herself - I'm no mollycoddler (excuse the pun) - or if I'd thought Molly had done something to provoke the attack, I might be more contrite about my actions.
My remaining feeling on watching the other dog toddling off was wonderment at it being so tough - it didn't appear too bothered that it had just been kicked into next week.
I wish I'd have had some magic word or command to stop the attack, but I didn't, nor did anyone nearby.
Whether you're being devil's advocate or just being an idiot because you're a bit bored this evening - I guess you'd probably know the answer to that.
On what planet would the Rozzers go and arrest the owners NikNak?
The planet Daily Mail I think. If they could see me the £75 though, that'd be fair enough.
Oh, and I didn't address the cat question, and because it's a pile of hypothetical shite, it actually doesn't need addressing.
Lol - fair enough mate, I was just chucking one on the fire before I went to bed, but I'll take your explanation - there's a fair chance I'd do the same presented with a similar situation.
Glad the little pooch is ok.
Lol - fair enough mate, I was just chucking one on the fire before I went to bed, but I'll take your explanation - there's a fair chance I'd do the same presented with a similar situation.Glad the little pooch is ok.
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Sorry, a bit of ever-reaction on my part...obviously not completely calmed down yet 🙂
She was in good from when we got in this evening and is sound asleep now no doubt dreaming of slaying big dogs in her terrier world.
Oh and fair enough...but can anyone explain the tag... "neren t d" 😕
NikNak7890 - MemberIf this happened to one of my dogs (or I saw it happen) I'd be calling the Police there and then to be collecting the dog, and arresting the owners!
I think you will find that no crime has been committed, Certainly no arrestable offence. If a dog attacks a human then police can and will get involved but another dog?
Because without reporting and/or evidence the Police can't do the job "planet Daily Mail" demand they do.
There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog (and their owner) and neither involve either a footballer's kick, or a boxer's punch.
A dog, even one that's been taught to to fight/fear every other dog, should be treated with sensitivity and care.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/a-new-life-for-vicks-fighting-dogs.html
So what crime is it then?
What should I have done NikNak? I'm in agreement with TJ here - no matter how pissed off I am with the dog's owner, no crime has been committed.
There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog (and their owner) and neither involve either a footballer's kick, or a boxer's punch.
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Please elucidate...
There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog (and their owner) and neither involve either a footballer's kick, or a boxer's punch.
A to the K?
I'll take your devil's advocate card.
If my pet had been attacked and someone decided that it was a great jumping-off point for a debate, I reckon I'd have told them to get 'ked myself. I think perhaps you're a bigger man than me and I take my (virtual) hat off to you sir.
There are very simple techniques to subdue a dog
If a dog requires subduing, I'd argue that it's not the subduer's responsibility to learn techniques. That moment has passed, be that fault of dog or owner.
If my pet had been attacked and someone decided that it was a great jumping-off point for a debate, I reckon I'd have told them to get 'ked myself. I think perhaps you're a bigger man than me and I take my (virtual) hat off to you sir.
I've more than likely been guilty of similar myself at times...
Is it that difficult to tell the Police that you feared for your own safety when dealing with a dangerous dog?
Still no crime.
Is it that difficult to tell the Police that you feared for your own safety when dealing with a dangerous dog?
"Yes sir, which dog?"
"uh, a brown one?"
Without a lead (ho ho), dogs are dogs. Actually though, didn't you say you couldn't raise the owner? Contact details on your phone log?
I didn't fear for my safety, just my dog's. Much as I'd like to see the owner punished (somehow) it's not going to happen. Thing is, the little ****er seemed fine around people, just not puppies. Please don't goad TeeJ into a dog argument. He's not supposed to even be here. 😛
Last comment then DD 😉
Under the dangerous dogs act, a dog classed as being "dangerously out of control in a public place" can be destroyed. The owner can be fined and imprisoned for up to six months.
If a dog injures someone, the owner can be jailed for up to two years.
"Other pieces of legislation covering dogs include the Animals Act 1971, which says the keeper of an animal is liable for any damage it causes, the Guard Dogs Act 1975 and the Dogs Act 1871."
Can't I just destroy the owner? Then both TeeJ and I would be happy 🙂
*As an olive branch*
If it had been my dogs DD, and in the heat of the moment, I'd have done whatever was necessary to secure my dogs; but the law most definitely would have been called, and the dog held until they'd arrived (or it'd have been taken to the nearest RSPCA centre).
In hindsight, you're right NikNak, but Molly's only a wee thing and I was more concerned with getting her to the vet and checked out...I did follow up with the dog warden but they had no information as they were all off duty.
Ain't that always the way!
Glad she's ok now DD, but I wouldn't be surprised if she's a little standoffish with dogs for a while :-/
Dont feel any guilt about kicking the staffie in defence of your pup deadlydarcy by the sounds of it the staffie didnt even feel it. Had it of been me I would have tried my hardest to kill it!
Staffordshire Bull Terriers unfortunately they are the most overbred underwanted dog breed out there. I shudder to think how many unwanted, abandoned staffies get destroyed on a daily basis, the rescue centres are full of them. They used to be a nice dog but bad breeding and worse owners have ruined the breed and its image for good.
She's up and around this morning with a slightly swollen cheek 🙂 and still a bit dopey from the anti-inflammatory injection but she's in great form. Mrs deadly's taking her off for a walk in the park in a bit - that'll tell us whether she's got over it or not.
Fine pooch there damo 😀
if you enounter the dog next time in the same circumstances, call the rspca, and when they arrive, present them with a dog with no collar... it'll get rehomed
Sorry to hear this dd. Glad Molly is on the mend. Its good too that you are not being over protective now and are getting her out in the park before she gets it in her head its a bad place!
Staffordshire Bull Terriers unfortunately they are the most overbred underwanted dog breed out there. I shudder to think how many unwanted, abandoned staffies get destroyed on a daily basis, the rescue centres are full of them. They used to be a nice dog but bad breeding and worse owners have ruined the breed and its image for good.
Agreed. Have spent 45 years around the breed. I have two at the moment (one my mums), both of which show no inclination of attacking another dog. But sadly becoming the exception. I said this on a previous thread:
I was musing on this with my Barber the other day, also a long time SBT owner and we agreed that due to all the crap thats happened with the breed and image it would be no bad thing if the whole breed were nuetered and allowed to die out
I still stand by this 🙁
She'll be fine.
I think I could actually hear the knees jerking from here. 😆
Holy crap damo your dog can fly! Have you contacted the TV companies? This could be huge!
Andy-I did read somewhere that the kennel club were advising all it's registered breeders of staffies to only have one litter per bitch. Not going to stop the chavs breeding their dogs but it may be a step in the right direction.
If you see the dog about call the local Dog warden, they will take the dog away and fine the owner. Nothing upsetes a chav Staff owner like a big fine 😈