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Lunge - sorry disagree. Yes initial lockdown should have been harder, based on science but no politician would have done that, indeed the opposition has always been calling the opposite and that Scottish witch has been playing a game all along.
If the party happens then I would inform the police, and I would be informing the police next time the consultant has a get together, unfortunately the hospital wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
Personal responsibility is the way out of this pandemic, but like a lot of things in modern life people always want to blame someone else and take no personal responsibility
lunge +1
I've read that the no 1 correlating factor with country's infection/death rates is how early and how strict their international travel restrictions/quarantining was. We are only now getting together a patchy system, it's laughable really.
indeed the opposition has always been calling the opposite and that Scottish witch has been playing a game all along.
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Report the prick. Its against the law. I cant say I particularly agree with it all, but I'm following the rules, strictly. I haven't been able to touch the MTB since November, because it means having to drive, haven't seen friends or family since God knows when. My daughter hasn't been to school in months. Its ****s like that who mean this shitshow just keeps on going. People are losing jobs left, right and centre and the economy is screwed. But hey lets have a party because this crap doesnt apply to me.
Personal responsibility is the way out of this pandemic,
Only partly, but it still has a reasonable contribution to make, alongside vaccination and <laughs> test and trace. The failures of the government are obvious, but don't offer carte blanche for the rest of us to shrug and do what the hell we want. I don't really give a monkeys about outdoor gatherings, but indoor parties are royally taking the piss.
All measures and calculations will allow some rule breaking in the numbers, because that’s what people do.
While I understand you have to include an 'arsehole allowance' in your calculations, you still have to strongly discourage shitty behaviour otherwise even more people will behave this way.
I’ve read that the no 1 correlating factor with country’s infection/death rates is how early and how strict their international travel restrictions/quarantining was.
This is absolutely true, but there is a snowball effect, meaning that once the case numbers are high because your government ****s it up, it's even more important to stop gathering in large numbers as it is far more likely you will spread it.
Ask them if your Brazilian cousin can drop in later,they are over on a flying visit,love to party and are a bit bored with the restrictions.
Yes initial lockdown should have been harder, based on science but no politician would have done that,
Apart from the politicians in other countries that did do that
OP: I vote you take round the gift of a Molotov cocktail at midnight, it’s the best way to kick off purge night…
Don't forget a couple of snipers to make sure no one leaves the building.
Apart from the politicians in other countries that did do that
Fair point but because the initial response wasn’t hard enough, we can now all do what we want and just say it’s the politicians fault? Again personal responsibility
@martinhutch +1
Fair point but because the initial response wasn’t hard enough, we can now all do what we want and just say it’s the politicians fault?
No one here is arguing that though are they, just that the government has been successful in its divide and conquer strategy.
but because the initial response wasn’t hard enough, we can now all do what we want and just say it’s the politicians fault?
Not at all. But you can't blame people for struggling to follow rules that are poorly thought out, poorly delivered and often wrong.
If this was last year or 6 months ago, most of you would have been up in arms about such ludicrous behaviour.
Last time I checked on the news Covid hadn’t gone away and it’s still as shit out there.
I’m sure the three people who died (that I knew) and the thousands of others would love the fact that your utterly selfish neighbour is having a party.A lot of you blame the government – look a bit closer !
I do blame the Johnson government. The corruption at the heart of the Tories and the consequent public actions is exactly why the public think being a dick is no longer a problem. The Tories are to blame.
the Government is ultimately accountable. A few mates round as opposed to the 1000s in confined spaces of classrooms from monday deemed safe as along as you have fresh air.
Schools are safe message just because children dont get it as bad but stick teachers in there that teach multiple year groups and thats ok? Face masks in supermarkets but no mandatory facemasks in classrooms during the return after first lockdown? Eat out to help out just prior to opening schools for full effect and wonder why cases go up? Reponeing schools when the cases are at the same levels as in September 23th but with a different strain??
I'm not saying its right to have a party but all I see is dates and no data to support the smash and grab that is going on. They cant sustain the furlough mess they are in and keep taking from the keyworkers that have kept the country going
Happy Birthday Derek Starship's neighbour!
No, no it’s not. Stop moving the blame from the government to the populous. It’s exactly what Johnson and his cronies want you to do.
We keep having lockdowns as we have an incompetent government who reacted slowly and put useless systems in place.
All measures and calculations will allow some rule breaking in the numbers, because that’s what people do.
You can’t keep blaming the Gov for everything. Yes, they’ve fkd some things up royally. But you have to take some personal responsibility. Half* of what’s wrong in today’s society is down to folks sloping their shoulders & saying “Not my responsibility Guv...”
* I have no peer reviewed evidence to back up that assertion but you get my gist I hope!
But you can’t blame people for struggling to follow rules that are poorly thought out, poorly delivered and often wrong.
I'm more sympathetic to someone who drives a bit too far for exercise because they are desperate than someone who fills a room full of people and booze because they fancy a party. Unlike the rules on travel, the law on indoor gatherings is pretty clear, and the need for follow it is patently obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Yes, the government is partly accountable for people being dicks, but people are responsible for their being dicks as well. If you have a society where no-one takes any degree of personal responsibility for their actions, and thinks that you can just say, oh, it's this politician's fault, then TBH you don't have a society.
A few mates round as opposed to the 1000s in confined spaces of classrooms from monday deemed safe as along as you have fresh air.
False equivalency. Education is a vital public necessity, birthday parties are not. Also, I'm not sure all the party guests will be wearing masks and having lateral flow tests before they bring a bottle. Opening schools increases the R number, increases the risk of transmission, but there's a reason we're doing that on its own, and not allowing pub-going, festivals and parties at the same time.
Play a loud recording of police sirens and boots marching up a driveway and see how quickly the house empties, have some fun at his expense.
I think if the Derekstarship's neighbour is a teacher they may think differently. I'm sure anyone that has been put in a situation that increases the risk of catching Covid as a result of the so called Government necessity may feel slightly aggrieved. This all seems 2 lockdowns too late
do it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-56305549
A 32-year-old woman was issued with a fine after inviting eight friends to her son's birthday party in Wickford. When officers arrived, guests fled over a fence.
A man who admitted he should have been self-isolating threw a party for his neighbours, a woman who held a party with 10 guests was fined, and six men at another party were also issued with notices.
Misdirection.... give him a card and a bottle of wine, then report him
You can’t keep blaming the Gov for everything. Yes, they’ve fkd some things up royally. But you have to take some personal responsibility.
Exactly this. If I drive around over the speed limit putting others in danger, its not the governments fault for not enforcing the rules, its my fault for ignoring the rules and acting selfishly.
Comments like: "its only a few people" or "it doesn't affect me" or "we all break the rules a little". Just plain stupidity and ignorance.
As said above, it only takes a few people to spread it and continue to socialise to cause a mini outbreak.
Don't be a grass. Who's going to take in your parcels if you grass on him?
Between him and Boris, not you.
You can’t keep blaming the Gov for everything. Yes, they’ve fkd some things up royally. But you have to take some personal responsibility.
I have, I’ve volunteered in the community, I’ve followed the rules, I’ve stayed local, I have taken personal responsibility. I’ve barely seen parents or siblings, let alone friends.
But that still doesn’t alter that fact that the excess deaths are caused by poor government planning and guidance.
I’m not saying “do what you want, it’s the governments fault”. I’m saying saying “take personal responsibility for your own actions and follow the rules, but don’t lose sight that it’s the government’s policies that have given us the size of mess we’re in”.
It’s quite possibly to take personal responsibility and still see that in the wider scheme of things, it’s government actions that made this mess much bigger than it should have been.
I'll keep you updated with numbers of guests, music volume, if he resists firing up his massive new BBQ etc.!
Play a loud recording of police sirens and boots marching up a driveway and see how quickly the house empties, have some fun at his expense.
I did something similar. Long road in East Kilbride that some motorists think is ok to go down at 90mph, so I took my camera flash to work one day and hid behind the bus shelter in the evening after work, soon as one sped past i hit flash. The sound of a fast revving engine suddenly dropping down was joyful to hear 😆
Are you sure it’s a birthday party and not say a group of Tory party supporters holding a vital business meeting relating to their latest ppe supply scam er I meant deal...
I’ll keep you updated with numbers of [s]guests, music volume, if he resists firing up his massive new BBQ etc.![/s] police that turn up
Half* of what’s wrong in today’s society is down to folks sloping their shoulders & saying “Not my responsibility Guv…”
And where did they learn that attitude from?
I'll accept it's a 'half and half' sort of situation, poorly communicated, badly planned policies, coupled with ineffective enforcement plus a minority* of "non-compliant" citizens have helped drive things further (at least twice), one thing causes the other really. Government and public behaviour are intrinsically linked (IMO)...
But don't let this bit of a mess of Tory charlatans off just because their job has been a bit harder than normal, they wanted the role, they weaseled, lied and cheated to get there, criticism is fair and warranted when their bungling has and continues to cost lives.
(* That minority has varied over the last year, and many seem to vary between compliance and "testing the limits" mainly driven by how bored they are it seems. But I do believe it is a minority not the hordes certain meeja froth-merchants would have us believe)...
TBH the OP has to live nextdoor to his neighbours after this, so only he can decide if the grief from an angry Romanian family is worth calling the police or not... Personally I err on the side of domestic harmony, I'd let someone up the road call them...
I find this stuff fascinating. Y’know, when we look back at where it all went to shit for some countries, say, like the former East Germany, and we ask, with incredulity, “jeepers, what happened to make the general public start reporting one another wholesale for infringements?”
Again personal responsibility
Sure, when it's defined clearly I'll note the rules and follow them. But when "stay local" has no definition*, when "essential travel only" isn't defined...then what? and you don't get a pass by saying "use common sense", as this thread clearly demonstrates...that's also difficult to define.
* for example, I used to drive as part of my job, if you say to me something is 30 miles away, to me that's next door...for other folk that may as well be the moon...Who's right?
Interested where does turning a blind eye end and when is it ok call the police, what is the line in the sand for breaking the law?
anti social behaviour, drug dealing, carrying knives/firearms, domestic abuse, drink driving, child abuse, murder, what is ok and what isn't, just so I know?
Wait until the music/commotion volume reaches a level where it is easily conceivable that many people could have heard and reported and then ring the Po-Po.
Interested where does turning a blind eye end and when is it ok call the police
your neighbour invites a couple of mates around - turn a blind eye
Neighbour invites 50 people to his house and it's spilling out onto the street - call the cops after you've had a word and nothing's happened.
You neighbour's brutally murdering another neighbour - call the cops, don't worry about talking to him about it first.
your neighbour invites a couple of mates around – turn a blind eye
gotcha.... so its similar to driving to test your eyesight then. Its ok to break some laws but not others, are you Matt Hancock?
we ask, with incredulity, “jeepers, what happened to make the general public start reporting one another wholesale for infringements?”
We won't, because it's not happening.
gotcha…. so its similar to driving to test your eyesight then.
No not really...Cummings knew he had COVID and so did his wife and child, and he knew that he should've stayed put but spread it to his extended family and then lied about it....I can't see how you could get those mixed up really?
Only partly, but it still has a reasonable contribution to make, alongside vaccination and <laughs> test and trace. The failures of the government are obvious, but don’t offer carte blanche for the rest of us to shrug and do what the hell we want. I don’t really give a monkeys about outdoor gatherings, but indoor parties are royally taking the piss.
Really glad someone has articulated my view more eloquently than I have managed to do so far.
This is a hard one as we are in the same position as the OP. Except our adjoined neighbour's have friends and relatives round (inside) everyday. They have them all round now as I type this.
The reason this bothers me is not only that they are breaking the law, they run and own a care home and I have a close wonderful friend working in the nhs, whose life has been a complete misery over the last 11 months. Last year she came round saying she wanted to end it all.
OP - if you can get some other neighbours to support you then report them, but if like us these other neighbours along with the party family will make your home life a complete misery then maybe not.
Your neighbour sounds like an idiot, an arsehole or both. Wait until they’re making a racket before doing anything.
My wife returned to work in a hospital after mat leave 2 weeks before lockdown 1 and has been working throughout this whole thing. My patience for such utter **** wittery is wafer thin.
seems many will just do the British thing, tut loudly and ignore it.
I'll vote for report it if the noise makes it obvious it's a party, mainly because I found myself in the same situation and reported it. Got an invite that I turned down, as did a few other people in the other flats so it wasn't obvious it was me who 'grassed'. The police were here in just over 10 minutes and everyone there got a fine. This was back in Lockdown 1 when everyone was incredibly well-behaved though so different circumstances to now where it's all much more lax. The neighbour who threw the party actually put a notice up in the shared hallway apologising!
Grass them up. I've done it my neighbours twice because they don't learn (broke the rules more than twice).
It appears they have bottled it. They left their house at 5pm last night and haven't returned.
Maybe my mentioning the words POLICE and LOCKDOWN made them have second thoughts. I hope so.
Although I'm more inclined to believe that they've relocated the party to a friend's house, out of my way.
I'll let you know.
I find this stuff fascinating. Y’know, when we look back at where it all went to shit for some countries, say, like the former East Germany, and we ask, with incredulity, “jeepers, what happened to make the general public start reporting one another wholesale for infringements?”
would it be easier if covid had the lethality of ebola ? you know, report and the state shoots them or not and let ebola get them and everyone else in the street. Or with covid just shrug yer shoulders cos you know yer a fit and healthy reasonably young mountain biker risk taker and only older fat people die from it after all. Eastern Bloc Europe and a Public health emergency are not an equivalency.
This thread is honestly quite depressing. I'm a crit care nurse working in covid units since the start of this mess. I'd report them, my tolerance for idiots is non existent any more.
I think the damage was done elsewhere as they've just returned with flowers, gift bags and leftover food.
They probably relocated to a friend's house in a less salubrious area where every **** is flouting the lockdown and where they all hate the rozzers.