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The solution to gun crime is not more guns
I'm pro gun ownership (sporting and pest control only, and with tight controls) and I agree with Junky.
The George Bush route to freedom.
Right im off for a burger 🙂
jambalaya - MemberModerate Muslims need to fully understand their religion has been hijacked.
Nope, you need to understand that it has not. It's certainly been abused and taken in vain but to pretend that islam as a whole has been hijacked is absurd. In fact I reckon it's the sort of absurd that you can only really believe, or pretend to believe, because you just don't like muslims.
no you are right i think making sure its not only the bad guys that have them is the key here! you cant stop them from existing they are quite easy to make!
So quoth the NRA - didn't realise they had an STW contingent.
I imagine this will lead to tighter border controls for ferries etc.
We weren't searched at all on the way back into the UK last week in our car.
once there were only people alive that agreed with each other then there would be far less conflict
You may be right. After all who would he or she fight?
Junkyard - lazarus
the solution to gun crime is not more guns
Ya, I hear you. You are absolutely right.
However, when someone intends to kill you with a gun what do you do? Ring the police switchboard? "Please press 1 if someone has a gun trying to kill you" or "Please press 2 if you are half dead" or " Please press 3 if you are already dead" ...
Yes, bigger gun(s)! 😈
My gun is bigger than yours!
bencooper - Member
Its not like they've got a recent track record of this kind of thing, is it?
Who's "they"? Muslims? French people? Men?The fanatics who do this kind of thing are about as Muslim as I am - they use some misunderstood parts of that religion to fuel their idiotic rage. Tying this kind of incident to one religion just plays into their hands.
Well said Ben. Terrorists are terrorists. It needs no qualification eg, religion or race. This is not an Islamic problem. Take the caliphate that some want to recreate. The last one (not that old) was tolerant of other religions (Baghdad was 40% Jewish after WW1), sexuality (gay relationships welcomed in poetry) and supported high levels of academic achievement. Far more advanced and progressive that our modern western society.
So let's define these acts for what they really are rather than use incorrect labels.
Northwind - Member
jambalaya - Member
Moderate Muslims need to fully understand their religion has been hijacked.Nope, you need to understand that it has not. It's certainly been abused and taken in vain but to pretend that islam as a whole has been hijacked is absurd.
Well said too. Nice to agree with my Scottish friends!!
My gun is bigger than yours!
And someone else's gun is way bigger than yours.
slowoldman - Member
My gun is bigger than yours!
And someone else's gun is way bigger than yours.
Now, don't put that in their mind ... ts! ts! ts!
Ok, I get bigger gun (I can also have cosmetic surgery to enhance the size you know ... 😆 ) and if they get even bigger gun, I get 50mm cannon ... etc 😆
I agree with Junky.
In that case I retract what i said 😀
There are some proper remtards on here. I mean how difficult is it to understand that violence begets violence.
Be the change you want to see.
(which means obviously that I have no objection to you calling me a remtard if I am demonstratably being one).
BTW as an aside, what's the moderate muslim consensus about the cartoons anjem and his buddies get all pissy about? A frown and ignore it? Or "something (legal and none violent) should be done about this heresy"? again genuine question - and I know opinions will differ, like I said consensus, if there is one? (when something like the danish cartoon thing happens it only appears to be the more excitable end of the spectrum who get on the news)Nope, you need to understand that it has not. It's certainly been abused and taken in vain
However, when someone intends to kill you with a gun what do you do? Ring the police switchboard? "Please press 1 if someone has a gun trying to kill you" or "Please press 2 if you are half dead" or " Please press 3 if you are already dead" ...Yes, bigger gun(s)!
My gun is bigger than yours!
That is exactly what we would do and we would wait for somebody with a gun to protect us from the person who means us harm with a gun. We cant uninvent and having less of them is a laudable aim however if that reducing number is in the hands of tha bad guys then thats not what we need.
jambalaya - Member
@Mr Whoppitt. The magazine immediately re-tweeted the ISIL cartoon
Excellent. Never give in.
Well done, our leetle Fronch frernds...
😀 @ Junky!
surfer - Member
That is exactly what we would do and we would wait for somebody with a gun to protect us from the person who means us harm with a gun. We cant uninvent and having less of them is a laudable aim however if that reducing number is in the hands of tha bad guys then thats not what we need.
Ya, please press 4 for any other matters ...
Judging from the shooters you can't even use ordinary projectile (bullet) anymore.[b] You need armour piercing bullet as the shooters are covered with bullet proof vest[/b]. Either that or you need head shot to stop the trigger happy shooters.
Judging from the shooters you can't even use ordinary projectile (bullet) anymore. You need armour piercing bullet as the shooters are cover with bullet proof vest.
i believe you want the hollow ones:)
Here are some stats to put some of the discussion into context:
40% of British Muslims want Sharia law
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
How do you square that circle?
This is against a global backdrop where:
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of ****stanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
sten1 - MemberJudging from the shooters you can't even use ordinary projectile (bullet) anymore. You need armour piercing bullet as the shooters are cover with bullet proof vest.
i believe you want the hollow ones:)
Will not work. Unless you are a sharp shooter otherwise the chances of you hitting the head is slim in a panic mode. Armour piercing bullets give you more chance of a bigger target, besides you have a chance of slowing the shooters down and let the police marksman to practice head shot later on.
You might knock the shooters off momentarily but their fingers (nerves) are still connected to the brain so will keep pulling the trigger and with AK47 ... you have no chance. A head shot will severe the communication between all the nerves.
dbcooper - Member
There are some proper remtards on here. I mean how difficult is it to understand that violence begets violence.
It's easy to talk big on a forum. They would run around squealing like little girls if put in mortal danger.
Will not work. You might knock the shooters off momentarily but their fingers (nerves) are still connected to the brain so will keep pulling the trigger and with AK47 ... you have no chance. A head shot will severe the communication between all the nerves.
the more you know :~)
Mr Woppit ›› That's just dumb.
No, really. Why is my post dumb?
From what I gleaned from a few tv interviews over the last few months with folk that appear to know what's actually happening rather than simply guessing, it appears this ISIL or whatever it's called now is a mishmash of self-claimed 'warrior scholars' and various criminals who have taken it upon themselves to interpret the Quoran in a way that seems to appeal to the disenfranchised Muslims all over the world. These easily led individuals are not necessarily stupid, they are merely misguided by those who have spouted the re-interpretation. These 'scholars clearly know what they're doing and are far from stupid. Gullible might be a way of describing their followers but not stupid.
sten1 - Member
the more you know :~)
Hey, I am paranoid you know ... 😆
If I hear a pin drop I will draw ...
In that case I retract what i said
@tmh our plan worked, who'd have thought. Must read more of those spy novels to get some more double bluff strategies.
@Northwind, your logic doesn't make sense. I am in favour of protecting millions of Shia Muslims from ISIL and supported action against Assad which would have saved the lives of 100'000s including 1000's of Palestinians in Syria
Oh ya the shooters copied the merica gunman wearing full armour protection using AK47 ... Police with pistol is no match at all without armour piercing rounds.
jambalaya - Member@Northwind, your logic doesn't make sense. I am in favour of protecting millions of Shia Muslims from ISIL and supported action against Assad which would have saved the lives of 100'000s including 1000's of Palestinians in Syria
I rather Assad in power as I do not wish to feed his people for him. Similarly, I support Dear Leader in North Korea because I do not want his population to spill all over the world. The containment is just fine with me.
@teseal - I think what worries me is the high proportion of individuals who convert to radicalized Islam having previously been outside the religion and the community. They are being recruited by highly dangerous individuals. As you say these people are not stupid, many of them are very intelligent.
@digga, interesting links
Interesting that they only seemed to ask Islamic countries? intersting that they only seemed to ask countries that have at some time been on the wrong end of American foreign policy?
What did the French/Germans/Japanese etc etc. say?
jambalaya - Member@teseal - I think what worries me is the high proportion of individuals who convert to radicalized Islam having previously been outside the religion and the community. They are being recruited by highly dangerous individuals. As you say these people are not stupid, many of them are very intelligent.
The converts are the worst and the most extreme of all. The so called born again in whatever faith are the worst.
If they are born in the West or live in the west chances are that they feel disenfranchise due to their own inability to integrate because of their background i.e. belief. They cannot integrate so the only way is to force others to accept their way of life or to turn the place into their ideal.
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jambalaya - Member@Northwind, your logic doesn't make sense. I am in favour of protecting millions of Shia Muslims from ISIL and supported action against Assad which would have saved the lives of 100'000s including 1000's of Palestinians in Syria
And that relates to my point how?
I think what worries me is the high proportion of individuals who convert to radicalized Islam having previously been outside the religion and the community.
Like attracts like, maybe. A lot of potentially peaceful protests in our own country have be sabotaged by those wanting only violence and disorder. Take the recent riots over Duggan's death; not sure many of those knew what they were standing for TBH.
@Northwind, I read your post as meaning you believed I hated Muslims or more accurately I must do based on my postings as that was the only explanation ?
What I think is more interesting is the split of opinion - yes there are a worrying (if not necessarily surprising, for various reasons) number of those who are distinctly anti-West, but also that there are, in most cases, roughly as many who are opposed to the view.Bazz - Member
Interesting that they only seemed to ask Islamic countries? intersting that they only seemed to ask countries that have at some time been on the wrong end of American foreign policy?What did the French/Germans/Japanese etc etc. say?
I think it gives a fair indication of the schism.
digga - Member
Bazz - Member
Interesting that they only seemed to ask Islamic countries? intersting that they only seemed to ask countries that have at some time been on the wrong end of American foreign policy?
What did the French/Germans/Japanese etc etc. say?What I think is more interesting is the split of opinion - yes there are a worrying (if not necessarily surprising, for various reasons) number of those who are distinctly anti-West, but also that there are, in most cases, roughly as many who are opposed to the view.
I think it gives a fair indication of the schism.
I'm not trying to make a case one way or the other, just pointing out that statistics like those can be used as propaganda by those with an anti Islam agenda.
@Jambalaya, I said "don't like" rather than hate so I'm not sure why you'd put words in my mouth. But yes, absolutely- you're a smart and literate person so that really leaves an ulterior motive as the only reasonable explanation for believing (or pretending to believe) that islam has been hijacked, and for putting responsibility for "reclaiming" their faith onto the blameless majority.
Nothing in your subsequent post seems relevant to that tbh
Poor reporting will only fuel the fire that supports more extreme nationalist parties (Germany's Pegida). At least the Fr politicians have shown some initial and sensible solidarity.
I think this cartoon is me done for this thread;
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NO - I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY OF THE ABOVE. I am a peaceful, law abiding muslim who goes against every belief these terrorists hold.
I believe that most Germans weren't nazis before Hitler came along either (although I could be wrong).
& Look what happened there, Is this subject that much different? (I'm no historian as you can tall)
@Northwind - I have no ulterior motive, I posted up a while ago a list of personal experiences too close for comfort which have set my views. These include;
Working in London for 30 years during which there have been bombs very close by (IRA and 7/7), "ring of steel" security measures, a colleague I sat 10 feet from who was on Lockerbie flight, another good friend who was in the compound attacked by terrorists in Riyhad etc. A good friend who worked for KBW and was lucky not to be in the WTC on 9/11. I have just as strong views on the IRA as I do ISIS/Al-Q
Northwind - Member@Jambalaya, I said "don't like" rather than hate so I'm not sure why you'd put words in my mouth. But yes, absolutely- you're a smart and literate person so that really leaves an ulterior motive as the only reasonable explanation for believing (or pretending to believe) that islam has been hijacked, and for putting responsibility for "reclaiming" their faith onto the blameless majority.
Northwind, what have you done? 😯
Crikey, this is interweb so be yourselves and everyone can judge everyone to the hilt.
I judge all of you on STW ... 😈 (look! I am behind yoouuuu ...!)
@TMH, Merkel is going to have here work cut out on this. The Pegida movement could intensify significantly. The last demonstration was 17,000 - the next ... ?
jambalaya - Member@Northwind - I have no ulterior motive, I posted up a while ago a list of personal experiences too close for comfort which have set my views.
I don't know why you'd think this shows you have no ulterior motive? If anything, it helps explain it.
jambalaya - Member@TMH, Merkel is going to have here work cut out on this. The Pegida movement could intensify significantly. The last demonstration was 17,000 - the next ... ?
Good!
This is a wake up call to all political zombie maggots.
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Northwind - Member
I don't know why you'd think this shows you have no ulterior motive? If anything, it helps explain it.
FFS! You two are really like husband and husband. Everyone has an ulterior motive.