[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

Further violence this afternoon.. this time in Dublin

just pointing out that some might take that as a piss take.

I wonder if the pro-Charlie posters in thread might have been a bit more forgiving if the terrorists had used swords..?

I wonder if the pro-Charlie posters in thread might have been a bit more forgiving if the terrorists had used swords..?

Pro-Charlie? There's a distinct difference between that and supporting Charlie Hebdo's right to free speech or expression.

binners was praising them for being pretty good at satire, until he actually saw some of their cartoons and realised how racist they were.

So he was praising them until he revised his belief in what they were doing when he recieved more information? Seems reasonable to me. If he'd carried on championing them whilst believing they were racist then you'd have a point.

It's a subtle but crucial difference

Is there anyone actually asserting the latter though? Must be so subtle a difference that I missed it if so.

This is timely, perhaps:

A French leftist who has read Hebdo for years educates those who discovered it three days ago:

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Full text is here, http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/olivier-tonneau/110115/charlie-hebdo-letter-my-british-friends

@Nealglover "It quoted a police spokeswoman as saying that the editorial team should be able to continue work in the building as the damage was relatively minor."

Hardly the towering inferno, but go ahead, knock yourself out and misquote me.

So it's ok to firebomb somewhere so long as we only firebomb it a bit? Glad we cleared that up.

It's a good job they cleverly designed their projectile weapons to only cause minimal damage, hey.

A French leftist who has read Hebdo for years educates those who discovered it three days ago:

taken out of context

😆

Oh the beautiful beautiful irony of this thread Cougar.

Well they didn't do a very good job compared to [url= http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/antiterror-police-probe-muswell-hill-mosque-blaze-amid-fears-firebomb-is-woolwich-revenge-8645356.html ]this[/url]

And the people in Northern Ireland are pretty handy with petrol bombs. London riots of 2013? Anti-capitalist marches in London?

The point I was making was there will always be a few idiots who will cross the line and the examples above show it's not that uncommon, but how the hell can they go to the extremes we witnessed last wweek?

Hang on a minute. I wasn't praising or criticising CH. I actually stated that my opinion was irrelevant, as I didn't know enough about French domestic politics to know in any detail what it is they were satirising. Satire generally tends to be very hit and miss. Some funny, some not. But the very nature of the business means it has to be challenging. And this can drift into being offensive to some. Some people are more easily offended than others. As long as it stays within the law, that's fine. If you're offended, well.... You're offended. That's just the way it is.

Once again: you don't have a right not to be offended. With a possible caveat about having abuse shouted at you in church while you're trying to get married. Which might get someone a shoeing 😉

Just saw Ch4 News report about this

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/12/fox-news-expert-ridiculed-over-birmingham-is-totally-muslim-city-claims

A bit scary given that he advises senate committee's and is an expert for many news channels. Got to ask though why would he do this he's obviously not stupid so he can't claim ignorance.

Ah you weren't following #foxnewsfacts last night then? They were put straight.

So it's ok to firebomb somewhere so long as we only firebomb it a bit? Glad we cleared that up.

Course it is, just like it's ok to loot shops as long as you only steal bottles of water!

Sorry, I missed this. No dig was intended, FWIW. Appropriately enough given the discussion, I'm trying to stop doing that as it's not nice. I was rarely serious in the first place but that's not the point.

Thanks. I thought I might be inferring something that wasn't there but just had to check. And you're a big man for admitting to previously doing it and adjusting the harmless not-so-nice approach - 's all cool, man.

What's left in life if we can't take the piss?

Hey, you don't have to tell me, though I was never a fan of continuing the ragging if folk are getting genuinely upset by the whole thing. Some folk I know only start to enjoy it when feelings are clearly getting hurt.

Pro-Charlie? There's a distinct difference between that and supporting Charlie Hebdo's right to free speech or expression.

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Ah you weren't following #foxnewsfacts last night then? They were put straight.

That was one of the funniest things I've read in years. Good work, Internet.

David Cameron has described Steven Emerson as "clearly an idiot", according to ITV News.

Brilliant and I don't even like Cameron.

I noticed Emerson has apologised, calling Birmingham a "beautiful city."

Dopey sod can't get anything right.

Fox News are now shit stirring regarding no-go areas in French cities. Obviously can't cope with UK sarcasm.

Obviously can't cope with UK sarcasm.

Oh please tell me that's a stich up

Yes Fox News Press Team was a spoof. The rest is true.

@foxnewspress was Poe's Law in action.

Murdoch should take some responsibility.

I'm not sure I've ever giggled so much at a list of tweets...one that comes to mind:

In the UK the weather changes between Sunni and Shi'ite 😆

If anyone asked me what the best thing about the British is, then I'd point them in the direction of the Twitter replies to that Fox News story. Industrial level wit, sarcasm and piss taking! 😀

I particularly liked the picture of Iced Gems, "these tiny confectionery mosques are available in corner shops..."

Murdoch should take plenty of responsibility, after all, the 2nd largest stakeholder in Newscorp outside of the Murdoch family is a Saudi Prince:

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Now, aside from be-headings and lashings, the Saudi's are also fond of the arms trade and have been heavy investors in the Carlyle Group, including Murdoch's mate up there Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal (as well as members of the Bin Laden family):

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a spooky coincidence is:

Carlyle's 2001 investor conference took place on September 11, 2001. In the weeks following the meeting, it was reported that Shafiq bin Laden, a member of the Bin Laden family, had been the "guest of honor", and that they were investors in Carlyle managed funds.[21][22][23][24][25] Later reports confirmed that the Bin Laden family had invested $2 million into Carlyle's $1.3 billion Carlyle Partners II Fund in 1995, making the family relatively small investors with the firm.[26] These connections would later be profiled in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911. The Bin Laden family liquidated its holdings in Carlyle's funds in October 2001.[27]

Now of course, ties between the Western Powers+Saudi go far further back than that, most notably to [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone ]Operation Cyclone[/url], which the CIA, MI6 and Saudi Arabia co-funded and collaborated on, covertly supplying weapons (generally AK47s to avoid suspicion of their true suppliers) to the mujahadeen:

This led to Robin Cook's disclosure regarding Al-Qaeda in 2005, shortly before his death:

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Does that mean all western tax payers should assume some responsibility for the legacy they've created?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda#Alleged_CIA_involvement

Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.

Not [i]quite [/i]the same thing now, is it. The original article is here:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

Have a read, you'll [i]love[/i] it.

I can't find any credible source for that "quote" beyond pithy .JPGs. The best I could find is this,

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Al_Qaeda_does_not_exist

The salient point is,

Robin Cook wasn’t known for denying Al Qaeda is a terrorist group as far as we can recall, and searching at Hansard (a record of everything that goes on in Parliament) produced no matches even remotely matching the above claim. The best match we found was this, from a Guardian article:

The Guardian article, of course, being the one I just linked to.

Seriously, do you do any fact checking beyond just regurgitating wild conjecture and made-up "facts" which feed your agenda? This took me literally five minutes to cross-check and decide it was bollocks.

Charlie Hebdo is left but not radical left. The right is perhaps more often the target than the left but no-one is spared. I've always regarded it as a left over from the generation of 68 (no pun intended). It's a good read if you read it in the spirit it is written and drawn. People buy the newspapers and magazines that comfort them in their views, if you don't like the editorial stance of newspaper, don't read it. I don't read La Croix or Saphir News... .

The supermarket is "Hyper Cacher" in the same way as "Netto" is a supermarket, it's a name. It's a supermarket which specialises in cacher food with an appropriate name.

As for going to far with insult, how do people rate Junkyard calling me a racist earlier in the thread but then failing to provide quotes when asked?

how do people rate Junkyard calling me a racist earlier in the thread but then failing to provide quotes when asked?

Well, you clearly don't mind too much, or you'd have reported it wouldn't you.

In which post was it that he called you a racist Ed? I've heard you're quite good at keeping records so I imagine you'll have it ready at your fingertips to save us searching back through the thread.

Remember that little chat we had Cougar?

Do you refute:

a) Al-Waleed Bin Talal is the 2nd largest stakeholder in Newscorp outside of the Murdoch Family?

b) The existence of the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carlyle_Group ]Carlyle Group[/url]

c) [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone ]Operation Cyclone[/url], involving the CIA, MI6 and Saudi Arabia

d) That Robin Cook has said something very similar to what is portrayed in the infographic?

That said, good on you for taking the time to check for yourself and not just blindly accept what you were presented 😉

No I don't mind too much, Cougar. However, it's an example of the hypocrisy shown by some posters on this thread, apparently against insult but with a long history of insulting people. Junkyard also called Jive a "fool" and a "sheep" earlier in this thread.

d) That Robin Cook has said something very similar to what is portrayed in the infographic?

Yes, because he didn't, as I've just shown you. You did read the articles in the links, yes?

The others I haven't checked (because frankly I don't care that much) but given your track record I'd probably find that it was nonsense if I did. The Robin Cook one was simply low-hanging fruit.

That said, good on you for taking the time to check for yourself and not just blindly accept what you were presented

Gee, thanks! You should try it some time.

Junkyard also called Jive a "fool" and a "sheep" earlier in this thread.

Well if nothing else, I can hardly pull him up for libel. (-:

To be fair, Jason Burke knows a fair bit about Al Qaeda etc - certainly more than anyone posting here:

Jason Burke is the south Asia correspondent of the Guardian and the Observer newspapers.

In more than a decade as a staff correspondent with the papers, Burke has reported on a wide range of subjects in countries from Algeria to Cambodia, from Uzebkistan to Zimbabwe.

Based in ****stan from 1998 to 2002, reporting from Afghanistan under the Taliban and during the war of 2001, he has returned to ****stan and Afghanistan many times since. Burke has also worked extensively in the Middle East, reporting from Iraq before, during and after the war of 2003. He has specialised in conflict, terrorism and Islamic militancy.

Currently based in New Delhi, he covers a wide range of social, political and cultural topics across South Asia. He is a regular commentator on television and radio.

And he said this (admittedly I think it was in a book from 2003):

The idea which is critical to the FBI¹s prosecution that bin Laden ran a coherent organisation with operatives and cells all around the world of which you could be a member is a myth. There is no Al Qaeda organisation. There is no international network with a leader, with cadres who will unquestioningly obey orders, with tentacles that stretch out to sleeper cells in America, in Africa, in Europe. That idea of a coherent, structured terrorist network with an organised capability simply does not exist.

Liking your work grum...

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[url= https://storify.com/tometty/staunch-defenders-of-free-press-attend-solidarity ]As you were, keep paying taxes and don't ask questions[/url]

Rubber dinghy rapids bro

Evan Davis briefly showed the cover shot of wednesdays edition of Charlie Hebdo on Newsnight earlier,

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The headline states : All Is Forgiven

Saw the security expert from Fox interviewed on the bbc, he apologised for the "poor research" which lead to the Birmingham is a no-go area. He refused to apologise for and indeed stood by his remark that unofficial religious / Sharia police operate in East London quoting British newspaper stories as a source.

I posted back last week that I wondered what the reaction to the attacks would be in Dresden. The bbc reports the anti Islamist rally grew to 25,000 [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30777841 ]link[/url] The leaders of the West need to demonstrate they have a solution to the current problems or authority is going to be taken from their hands via democracy and the far right

He refused to apologise for and indeed stood by his remark that unofficial religious / Sharia police operate in East London quoting British newspaper stories as a source.

AFAIK he's right, but it was three blokes not a widespread thing.

Rock Solid source this guy:

That's a whole lot of brainwashing on behalf of Mr Murdoch and Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal of Carlyle Group fame...

Wonder what the viewing figures are for that?

Yeah, I think more likely than not the Hebdo attack is a false flag.

You just have to think who benefits from this.
However much the media whips you into a frenzy about muslims being fanatical hate merchants, the true fanatics are the cold-blooded murdering, child-abusing satanists at the top of the military industrial banking complex and their intel agencies, who are hell bent on whipping up anti-muslim fever to justify further taking away your rights in the fast approaching fascist police state they want and eventually getting into a full on WW3 on Islam (just like that sicko Albert Pike wrote about as their grand plan).

Edukator ›› As for going to far with insult, how do people rate Junkyard calling me a racist earlier in the thread but then failing to provide quotes when asked?

It didn't stand out as he generally tends to insult when "debating" which is why I found this beauty from earlier...

Junkyard ›› I am not sure why folk confuse freedom of speech and the freedom to insult

...hilarious.

deadlydarcy ›› In which post was it that he called you a racist Ed? I've heard you're quite good at keeping records so I imagine you'll have it ready at your fingertips to save us searching back through the thread.

Here ya go, chuckles...

Junkyard ›› As has trolling and being not quite racist enough to get banned

and

Junkyard ›› I am not sure portraying black person as a monkey can be called "sailing close to the wind". Its just racist.

You seem to have turned offence in to an art form there Edukator,

But it's okay, isn't it; it's just Junkyard, your buddy, your Bread Wren, attacking a lowly troll.

Junkyard ›› What if the insults become bullying ?
Is it still ok and freedom of speech?

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Holy quote trawling, Batman!

It was an homage to the Yard Full Of Male Genitalia.