[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

wwaswas - Member

"the shooters"

I really don't believe in capital punishment but "a really good kicking followed by life in solitary" is looking increasingly attractive

Nahhh, you think too much.

Lots of seemingly reasonably intelligent people still make crass generalisations about 'what Muslims think'

But yes there'll be some idiots who think they know what all muslims think
<haven't watched vid yet - no sound>

digga - Member
I can accept that many Muslims are peaceful and tolerant, but they still perceive themselves as being apart, because that is what successful religions do and it is divisive and backward. The world would be infinitely better if we all simply regarded one another for what we actually are; humans.

[i][b]IF[/i][/b] There were terrorists running around, who cleaved to the dogma of the Old Testament, then they would be equally dangerous.

My opinion still stands - lets ditch the dogma, put a line under the previous centuries religious nonsense, and try to concentrate on treating everyone as humans, irrespective of sex, age, race, nationality.

What was that clip of Reza Aslam supposed to contribute?

IF There were terrorists running around, who cleaved to the dogma of the Old Testament, then they would be equally dangerous.

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Religious terrorists.

Would this be a bad time to suggest, that God doesn't actually exist, no matter which one you happen to "believe" in.............

[i]Would this be a bad time to suggest, that God doesn't actually exist, no matter which one you happen to "believe" in............. [/i]

I'm not sure that's relevant, people doing stuff 'in his name' don't have a very clear understanding of what their god wants at the best of times.

IF There were terrorists running around, who cleaved to the dogma of the Old Testament, then they would be equally dangerous.

Ever heard of the Lord's Resistance Army?

Surfer - if you really can't work it out then I can't help you.

IF There were terrorists running around, who cleaved to the dogma of the Old Testament, then they would be equally dangerous.

Google the Lords Resistance Army.

Edit: Bencooper - snap!

FWIW I'm no great proponent of Islam or any religion but I'm even less of a fan of ignorant prejudice.

What was that clip of Reza Aslam supposed to contribute?

wwaswas - did you copy that still from the vid on youtube? - it's proper grim, am surprised it's still up. They looked quite well trained as well.

having now watched it, if it was meant to highlight that CNN reporters have difficulty differentiating between what some muslim countries and what muslim people as a whole do/believe then it was quite apposite.

You really think it's just CNN reporters who have that problem? Plenty of evidence of it in this very thread.

You really think it's just CNN reporters who have that problem?

<edit>besides I said "literate, intelligent" people I have no idea if CNN reporters and all STWers fall into that category.
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wwaswas

The IRA were always 'Catholics' - we didn't invent another word for the religious group they came from and (to a large extent) claimed to represent?

Protestants were few and far between in the provisional IRA but there certainly were non Catholic members. Historically many of the leading figures in Irish republicanism were Protestants.

As Gandhi said though, an eye for an eye leaves us all blind. We need to move on

But in this case it wasn't really an eye for an eye. More like 12 deaths in return for a probably not very funny political cartoon.

jambalaya - Member

The Muslim world can reclaim their religion

1.4 billion muslims don't need to "reclaim" their religion because of the actions of a minority of nutters and scumbags.

Minority? How many are going to Syria again from each country? How many attacks worldwide?

Saying that- who represents Christians and who is stopping Christians from invading countries to overthrow that countries leader to put in place someone who they think would be better?

hora - Member

Minority? How many are going to Syria again from each country? How many attacks worldwide?

Is it more than 7,000,000,000 people?

[i]wwaswas - did you copy that still from the vid on youtube?[/i]

no, still was on twitter. Didn't realise it was from a video.

I wouldn't have watched it even if I'd seen a link, tbh.

ah, just as well then, don't it's not nice..

edit to add, i had no idea what was coming up..

extremists have hijacked your faith by announcing to the world they are taking over and whether you like it or you will be dragged in with them .

You mean Pegida or ISIL? Both?

This is from 2011. I certainly don't agree with all of her opinions (not least that we 'need' religion), but given events since then it is highly relevant:

Looking at some footage on the box, and the whole thing looks absolutely terrifying.

Malvern Rider - Member

extremists have hijacked your faith by announcing to the world they are taking over and whether you like it or you will be dragged in with them .

You mean Pegida or ISIL? Both?

The latter.

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badnewz - Member

Looking at some footage on the box, and the whole thing looks absolutely terrifying.

It is just a matter of time when the same scenario happens here but they will not get far unless they can swim across like a fish.

To my mind, this tweet is a straightforward endorsement, if not incitement to terrorism.

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Christ only knows how that'll be avenged?

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[i]To my mind, this tweet is a straightforward endorsement, if not incitement to terrorism.[/i]

or is he just exercising his freedom of expression?

tbh, he has 23k followers 80% of whom are just interested in ridiculing what he says - I'd just ignore him and give him the obscurity he's so desperate to avoid.

digga - Member

To my mind, this tweet is a straightforward endorsement, if not incitement to terrorism.

Ya, he is increasing his personal profile again so wonder how much he get paid for publishing his views or has he got some sort of employment?
Hope he is not claiming benefits. 😯

@Grum

I actually thought there was some significance in you posting a clip of of that buffoon! If I could be bothered I would post links to Sam Harris making a fool of him, you know just for balance and all that though I doubt that is what you are after.

Lords resistance army

Oh FFS we are all living in mortal fear of them arent we

Is it more than 7,000,000,000 people?

ISIL is said to number upto 200,000 under arms, Al Shabab is in the low thousands but growing. Whose to say these figures wont grow?

How many 7/7 style attacks would it need before the UK had a radical change in policy? This is the scary part. The first step(s) would see regular and wholesale arming of UK Police. Maybe an additional force like some other countries have.

All this is 'what if' and upto 10yrs away but how many 7/7 style attacks would move politicians with their eyes on re-election towards a vote winner?

or is he just exercising his freedom of expression?

tbh, he has 23k followers 80% of whom are just interested in ridiculing what he says - I'd just ignore him and give him the obscurity he's so desperate to avoid.

Nail/head.

Of course he can say that. I, along with almost any other sane person, think he's wrong, but he can say it.

@Northwind see that tweet above from Choudary, yes they do need to reclaim it. Moderate Muslims need to fully understand their religion has been hijacked.

@grum/@ben, we'd have to Google Lords Resistance Army to find out anything about them because they are not in the media constantly beheading people, murdering hundreds of thousands of their own religion in sectarian violence or shooting cartoonists dead in central Paris.

Unusual that tweet. Anjem is normally a lot more thoughtful, and considered in his views. I always just regarded him as a comedy figure. A living, walking, breathing troll.

But actually, he's a fascist. Same as all extremists. Particularly muslamic ones. There seems to be IMHO, not just a simple hatred of democracy and the principle of free speech by him and his ilk, but a fundamental lack of understanding of what it actually means.

The fact that a man who spends his life gobbing off in the most inflammatory manner possible, then thinks he should dictate to people what they can and cannot say. Oh the ....

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Of course he can say that. I, along with almost any other sane person, think he's wrong, but he can say it.

But is he wrong? It strikes me he is right - if you insult the Prophet, there is a chance someone will come and kill you.

You could say that his tweet is good advice.

We might ignore Choudray but there are plenty who listen to his preaching directly. If we ignore him he has further flexibility to continue his work. I don't even know the name of the radical who turned the lads from Portsmouth into Jihadists and sent them off to Syria but they didn't do it on their own.

You could say that his tweet is good advice.

It isn't advice. Its an overt threat.

He's a clever bastard. As that stops just short of instigation to violence, but the implication is pretty unambiguous

CaptainFlashheart - Member

Nail/head.

Of course he can say that. I, along with almost any other sane person, think he's wrong, but he can say it.

I wonder if he would be offended if he is called zombie maggot as a person not based on his believe or faith but rather him as an individual person. Freedom of speech etc without tarnishing his belief. i.e. separate him as a person from his faith. Zombie maggot? Yes? 😈

Ya, he is increasing his personal profile again so wonder how much he get paid for publishing his views or has he got some sort of employment?
Hope he is not claiming benefits

Only paranoid loons are living in mortal fear of Islamists - it smore dang
the questrion was

just for balance and all that though I doubt that is what you are after.

IF There were terrorists running around, who cleaved to the dogma of the Old Testament, then they would be equally dangerous.

But is he wrong? It strikes me he is right

You are allowed to fervently believe 650b wheels are the one true way of MTBing. I'm allowed to call bullshit on it and you are allowed to get upset about it. You are not allowed to physically assault me for saying it.

see that tweet above from Choudary, yes they do need to reclaim it.

That is like saying we need to reclaim stuff from all the other idiot tweeters or internet contributors or say reclaim stuff from brevik?
he is one man with idiotic views shared by very few just like most dicks on the internet.

Clearly I disagree with him but I dont see any implied threat in that tweet. He has just said what he thinks
He is wrong but he is entitled to hold any opinion he wishes.

if you insult the Prophet, there is a chance someone will come and kill you.

@grum/@ben, we'd have to Google Lords Resistance Army to find out anything about them because they are not in the media constantly beheading people, murdering hundreds of thousands of their own religion in sectarian violence or shooting cartoonists dead in central Paris.

Thousands of children enslaved or murdered by them, or recruited as child soldiers in the most gruesome rituals. So why aren't they in the media all the time? Perhaps because the victims are poor, African and black.

those that are a threat to freedom should be killed.

He is wrong but he is entitled to hold any opinion he wishes.