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[Closed] maths poser from my 12 year old - why is -1 * -1 = +1

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-4 * -1 = 4

It was OK up until that point in my non mathematical brain.
Anyway havent the bankers been using the two negatives = a positive up until recentley ?


 
Posted : 06/02/2010 1:30 am
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1 * 1 = 1
(2 - 1) * (2 - 1) = 1
4 - 2 - 2 † ( -1 * -1 ) = 1
-1 * -1 = 1

off course there's a few more assumptions in there


 
Posted : 06/02/2010 11:19 am
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I never understood how you could calculate the area of a circle using PI since PI is an unknown quantity.

In calculating the area of a circle with a radius of 1 - the the area would be:

3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679
8214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196
4428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273
724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609................................. to infinity and beyond!!


 
Posted : 06/02/2010 12:02 pm
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PI is an unknown quantity.

No it's not - it's an irrational and transcendental number, but there are ways to calculate it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_formula_for_pi


 
Posted : 06/02/2010 12:35 pm
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There may be formulas for calculating Pi but all the digits for Pi haven't been calculated yet....... will they ever be? My point is if you use Pi to calculate the area of a circle you'll get an indefinite string of numbers - not very accurate!


 
Posted : 06/02/2010 8:24 pm
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all the digits for Pi haven't been calculated yet....... will they ever be?

Er, by definition no!

if you use Pi to calculate the area of a circle you'll get an indefinite string of numbers - not very accurate!

It depends what you mean by accurate. Compared to the accuracy with which you can measure things in the real world it's very accurate. Meanwhile it's quite easy to add a few more digits every time you feel the need for a bit more accuracy. You do realise that if your circle contained all the atoms in the known universe, adding or removing one atom would make more difference to the accuracy than the last digit in the first line of your digits (you have 3 more lines)?

OK, so you might argue you want an accurate mathematical answer - the thing is, a mathematician would say that the area of a circle radius 1 is pi (they're not really into numbers)!


 
Posted : 07/02/2010 12:11 am
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In calculating the area of a circle with a radius of 1 - the the area would be: 3.1415926535...

but how would you know what the radius was ? By the time you've measured it, some of the vernier has rubbed off...


 
Posted : 07/02/2010 12:35 am
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as a professional measurement geek i'm loving the way this thread has gone!


 
Posted : 07/02/2010 11:16 am
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