Does the fact she’s a woman make any difference?
Depends on how you were brought up, I suppose.
GBH? Really? So he caused serious injuries from that grab? Is he Superman? I know it's a only a mobile video, but I didn't see any broken limbs or cuts, or anything that is going to affect the ongoing health of the young lady. ABH at most if there is bruising or muscle discomfort. Most likely common assault.
Hardly a private function either. It's an evening for invited................to be politicised at while on camera so the chancellor can tell the country what a jolly good job he's doing.
Oh and we're not leading the world in becoming carbon neutral we're behind a couple of countries with our dates.
GBH or ABH, just an interpretation of the gravity of the harm caused.
Did I miss the bit where he headbutts her, punches her in the stomach a few times and knees her in the face?
Depends on how you were brought up, I suppose.
Maybe he was brought up to think women women are equal to men?
You just don’t go round grabbing people by the throat and slamming them against pillars.
Hyperbole much?
You don’t know to what extent the injuries are, no one does. So you start with the highest grade course of action then drop to the next and so on.
Obvz.
I’d be happy to start with GBH, then take that to the CPS and drop if it gets rejected.
Afterall, he’s tried to force himself on another person and threat or fear of threat is enough to bring charges.
Obvz.
Theres a whole bucket of Law and president out there to examine if you have a few years of study in you.
Happy to continue pointing out the Obvz if that’s too much for you to consider.
Maybe he was brought up to think women women are equal to men?
Definitely not - if she'd been a really angry man, she'd have just been asked to leave.
Interesting that his excuse was "acting instinctively" and , for him, acting instinctively = resort to physical force.
Lets hope a foreign office minister doesn't act instinctively when he makes all his decisions.
Hyperbole much?
No.
Have a look at the video.
He grabs her by the throat.
He slams her against the pillar.
Maybe he was brought up to think women women are equal to men?
You can believe in equality AND respect women at the same time.
Or you'd go to the CPS with a charge that reflects the injuries and facts. -10 internet hardman points for you.
She proves if you're gonna do this shit you need a change of shoes in case it all goes off.
@scuttler Good set of flats to turn and get on the hoof. And a can of pepper spray for angry MP's.
If I'm honest what I really would have liked is if she was a BJJ practitioner and flipped him like a pancake, got him in a rear naked choke and made him tap out like a bitch...
Have a look at the video.
I have.
He grabs her by the throat.
He doesn't.
He slams her against the pillar.
He pushes her against it.
Ok.
Perhaps you should contact the moderators and ask them to change the thread title?
And put in a complaint regarding the Guardian, who state the same.
There is enough bad shit happening all over the world without having to make a mountain out of every molehill as well. No need to exaggerate things.
There is enough bad shit happening all over the world without having to make a mountain out of every molehill as well. No need to exaggerate things.
So we ingore MPs committing crimes because soemthing happened elsewhere?
His hand is on her right shoulder not around her throat. You can see that when they turn around. He then changes and puts it on the back of her neck.
So we ingore MPs committing crimes because soemthing happened elsewhere?
How about the next time you get caught speeding you get accused of a hit and run.
So we ingore MPs committing crimes because soemthing happened elsewhere?
No, but we don't make up crimes where non were committed just because we don't like somebody. Lets not stoop as low as the populists.
No, but we don’t make up crimes where non were committed just because we don’t like somebody. Lets not stoop as low as the populists.
Who's made up a crime? We're discussing the rights and wrongs of grabbing someone and pushing against a pillar during a peaceful protest.
Yep thanks for putting and end to this throat grabbing crap.
How about the next time you get caught speeding you get accused of a hit and run.
Well that's not going to happen is it now.
People who think it's ok - would [i]you[/i] do that to a woman?
I did once, when I was too young to know better. But certainly wouldn't now.
If I’m honest what I really would have liked is if she was a BJJ practitioner an
I so thought that was going somewhere else...
We’re discussing the rights and wrongs of grabbing someone and pushing against a pillar during a peaceful protest.
That's more like it.
No, but we don’t make up crimes where non were committed just because we don’t like somebody.
You seem sure that a crime wasn't committed. Why?
People who think it’s ok – would you do that to a woman?
I'm astonished that people here are condoning his behaviour.
Quote needs more prominence!
[b]“Mark Field MP
The UK remains committed to helping women all over the world to feel safe and protected in the work they do, so they can speak freely and be part of the change we all want. “[/b]
Wow
Reckless ABH was committed imv.
I am not condoning his behaviour, but I don't think it has crossed the line to be classified as any form of assault, I don't think it is anywhere near.
People who think it’s ok – would you do that to a woman?
Well if the women was say Cris Cyborg, I would lie of the floor and bleed.
I am not condoning his behaviour, but I don’t think it has crossed the line to be classified as any form of assault, I don’t think it is anywhere near.
Is your opinion based on your legal expertise?
I am not condoning his behaviour, but I don’t think it has crossed the line to be classified as any form of assault, I don’t think it is anywhere near.
Apart physically pushing and grabbing her of course.
Are only the people with opposite views to your own required to justify them with extensive legal experience?
This is what Robert Peston made of it, including some impressions from inside the room when it happened:
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1141836184492158977
I'm happy to concede that he may not have grabbed her by the throat, he may have grabbed her shoulder.
However, grabbing her by the neck, which he clearly does, is dangerous.
Ask a police officer or any other professional trained in violence reduction techniques.
Were they serving Stella?
It's worth reading the whole thread on Peston's twitter if you can be bothered. It comes across as a balanced take with a bit of perspective on how 'threatening' the protestors actually appeared.
Whether it actually meets the threshold for prosecution or not, it looks like bad judgement and there's something viscerally unpleasant about grabbing people's necks that makes it look unpleasant particularly if you believe Peston's friend's account that the protestors were clearly not threatening.
Well if the women was say Cris Cyborg, I would lie of the floor and bleed.
I take it from that garbled response (who??) that you would try then.
I’m astonished that people here are condoning his behaviour.
Yep, so am I. In no way was that the right thing to do (whether it turns out to be a crime or not)
Apart physically pushing and grabbing her of course.
We are going to cripple the justice system if that is the line for prosecution.
I am not condoning his behaviour, but I don’t think it has crossed the line to be classified as any form of assault, I don’t think it is anywhere near.
Would you be OK with someone grabbing & pushing you if you walked down the street?
His behaviour is not OK - she was not a threat. As has been stated this was a fairly posh do, there was security there, let them do their job.
Are only the people with opposite views to your own required to justify them with extensive legal experience?
I don't believe I stated my view on whether or not his actions meet the legal definition of assault. You seem pretty sure though, so I was interested to learn whether or not this was based on knowledge. It seems not.
We are going to cripple the justice system if that is the line for prosecution.
No, not at all as assault can be just touching someone or even throwing a milkshake.