[Closed] Manchester's Police doing what the Met are scared of doing!

psychle - Do you not think throwing a brick at some ones head could kill them, or setting fire to a building without checking no ones inside it?

But thats ok is it?

Getting upto no good, police catch up with you & give you a hiding... been happening since time began, made me laugh tbh!

Do think this thread will get over 30 pages of outrage and total bollocks from the same old gobshites?

Defo, this is far more serious than the rioting ever was, it totally neutrals it all out. 😆

Bollocks I am agree with TJ.

I have no problem with criminals being restrained and arrested, I do like most sane people have an issue with summary justice, punishment and release on citizens handed out by the Police.

If those kids/adults were upto to something then surely the due process is to at least arrest them?

M6TTF - use your eyes
camerone - that would be reasonable and proportionate. Hitting him with a weapon while he lays on the ground would not.

What's that supposed to mean? There's not hours of footage - how can you possibly know what went on prior to that minute of footage

Shame the use a lot of force illegally there

Oh didn't realise you were a judge. Case dismissed!

Kevevs - it certainly been a classic week for all spectrums of view. I mean how the hell does anyone troll this week?
Has anyone suggested that those bike the kids/adults/people of uncertain age were on had been stolen from Harry Halls? Anyway it's raining now so it should all soon be over unless a well stocked umbrella shop has been done over.

psychle - Do you not think throwing a brick at some ones head could kill them, or setting fire to a building without checking no ones inside it?

But thats ok is it?

No, it's not, and I'm not saying it is. All I'm saying, purely based on the video posted (and with no care as to what happened prior), is that what those policefolk are doing is wrong and they need to be held accountable for it... it's excessive force, pure and simple...

sure, tackle 'em off their bikes, slam them to the ground and restrain them (trust me, that's going to hurt plenty! enough to 'teach them a lesson') but there's fug all need for the baton strikes and kicking...

Without knowing exactly what the Police knew about those lads, you lot really are talking about a load of waffle.

Even if we did know... we have a legal system in place to deal with crime... and I'm guessing that if those guys were serious perpetrators they'd have been arrested.

Police use force to protect the public - shocking! 😯

Have you ever been hit with a full blooded blow from a baton? or a full blooded kick from a steel capped boot?

Yes, and that's not what's happening there. That 'kick' is a tap, and the harsh blows look like there to the back of the legs. Akin to dusting a carpet and passing a ball to a child.

I can't tell you what it's like to be knocked out cold with a baton, it was a rounders bat. Not sure what boots they had on. Victim of mistaken identity. Edgware Road tube station 1974.

crankboy - Member
peaches be a dear and watch the video again you see the lad who goes behind the fence walk off free and the officer who shoved him out of sight walk back in to sight without a prisoner.

no, you might want to see that, but there is a lot of panning out of shot from the camera. you see TWO scumbags pushed against the fence on the right and a lot of riot police moving about along with a few non-police movements, all of which appear as darkened bodies due to the light. so you can NOT say that they have been beaten and left to walk off freely because you simply can not see the whole picture and identify exactly who is who. plus, do you actually think that someone who has just received a 'proper beating' would walk off so calmly and with no limping or anything.

it's all wild speculation. none of you know exactly what's gone on.

richc - Member
If those kids/adults were upto to something then surely the due process is to at least arrest them?

druidh - Member

To make an arrest would involve taking police off the streets back to the station to do all the processing and paperwork. Where would you rather they were deployed?

Have you ever been hit with a full blooded blow from a baton? or a full blooded kick from a steel capped boot? Both of these actions have the very real potential to be life-threatening (internal bleeding etc) and really are an excessive use of force, surely everyone would agree on that?

you are assuming the police aren't trained in where to hit someone that causes maximum amount of pain without causing lasting damage!

Police use force to protect the public - shocking!

Precisely!

No need to arrest, no need for anything else - the police used the the force they felt was necessary to [b]maintain public order[/b]

Zulu-Eleven - Member

No need to arrest, no need for anything else - the police used the the force they felt was necessary to maintain public order

Come on, really? Where do you see public order being maintained there? No credibility at all.

it's all wild speculation. none of you know exactly what's gone on.

Sense at last.

So after *just* 4 days of rioting, we have managed to degrade to summary 'justice' distributed by the Police with our having to bother with courts or evidence, throwing away centuries of legal practice to ensure we protect the belief 'innocent until proven guilty'

You hoping for another 4 days of rioting, so you will be able to lynch a hoodie for looking down the street you live on?

They were [b]all over the road [/b]and everything Z-11!

MRanger156 - Member

Police use force to protect the public - shocking

The member of the public they were protecting was where exactly? Protecting them from what exactly?

remember the youth is released after his beating - he is not even restrained on the ground so the cops knew he was no threat. They simply beat him and then leave him to get up on his own.

I knew there was a thick reactionary element on STW - I hadn't realised just how unpleasant.

You mean an element on STW that thinks criminals should not get away with it? An element that believes that the police should be allowed to control and punish troublemakers and the antisocial behaviour that blight the lives and freedom of law abiding citizens? An element that perhaps has an open enough mind to not jump to conclusions about what has gone on in a video where they can only see a small part of the whole story?

Gosh how unpleasant!

Have you ever been hit with a full blooded blow from a baton? or a full blooded kick from a steel capped boot? Both of these actions have the very real potential to be life-threatening (internal bleeding etc) and really are an excessive use of force, surely everyone would agree on that? I'm all for these scrotes getting a 'clip around the ear' and a bit of old-school corporal punishment, but what those cops are dishing out there is not appropriate surely?

psycle - you will never convince the bloodlust / wannabe / keyboard warriors I guess. They get a hard on at the idea of the cops giving someone a good kicking.

I knew there was a thick reactionary element on STW - I hadn't realised just how unpleasant.

I have no blood lust / wannabe / keyboard warrior but I have been on the receiving end of more minor civil unrest and even behind a full shield it isn't pleasant. Bricks still hurt, visors smash along with the face behind it and flames are still hot, trying to keep a professional attitude is hard. These police officers may not have had rest for the last 24 hours, seen their mates injured and even had their holidays cancelled just because some scrotes think it their right to go and take what they want. They are not taking on the authorities like in the G9 riots they are going committing mass theft and vandalism.
It's not a perfect world and your black and white views are an ideal that excludes human emotion on both sides.

Waht criminal? Innocent until proven guilty? Or do you mean the criminal in the uniform?

You think the police should be allowed to punish people do you? Death squads perhpas?

You can clearly see unreasonable and illegal force being used there. No doubt possible in any rational mind.

The member of the public they were protecting was where exactly? Protecting them from what exactly?

Dunno think there's been some trouble since Sturday night, gangs of kids calling each other up to go a lootin. that might be it.

richc - Member
So after *just* 4 days of rioting, we have managed to degrade to summary 'justice' distributed by the Police with our having to bother with courts or evidence, throwing away centuries of legal practice to ensure we protect the belief 'innocent until proven guilty'

You hoping for another 4 days of rioting, so you will be able to lynch a hoodie for looking down the street you live on?

Well said. Some of the comments are unbelievable.

You can only comment on what happens in the video, everything else 'they shouldn't be there' etc is speculation. From that video it's completely OTT.

craigxxl

I have not called for the cop to be punished and I do have a lot of sympathy with the cops - however that does not absolve him from the obligation to stay within the law.

Its the idiots on here that think a cop beating someone without any possible justification is reasonable that annoy me.

Beating someone who is not resisting nor any threat ( and you can tell that quite clealry from the vid - they let him get up on his own) is never justifiable. Understandable perhaps but never justifiable

Innocent until proven guilty

Just words that, you can be guilty of something without it being proven

this

do you mean the criminal in the uniform

disgusts me.

Your attitude disgusts me.

oldgit - Member

Innocent until proven guilty

Just words that, you can be guilty of something without it being proven

Yes but you shouldn't be punished until it's proven [b]beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law.[/b]

TJ - you'll note that I have put forward my position without having to resort to insult. Pity you can't manage this.

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I'll take the STW version of a beating rather than the one above.

peachos - Member
this

"do you mean the criminal in the uniform"

disgusts me.

Are you saying police can't be criminals? My sister was a CSO in Holburn and had stuff stolen from her locker, in the police station, on more than one occasion.

druidh

However yo won't answer the question - do you think that beating is justifiable? the beaten youth is clearly not resisting nor is he any threat.

could have been the poor cleaner with no other opportunities in life

dam we failed her 🙄

TJ we are all making judgements to some extent as to what was going on, but the fact is that the scenario weights itself to those kids having been involved in some trouble.

FunkyDunc - Member
TJ we are all making judgements to some extent as to what was going on, but the fact is that the scenario weights itself to those kids having been involved in some trouble.

Balls it does.

funky dunc - and that justifies a beating?

Northernstar - check out the news, these thugs need to be off our streets. Innocent people have died and yet some are still defending the scum bags who are keeping good honest people out of their own towns.

When/how will the riots stop if the police don't use force?

First of all, you don't know whether he is a threat or not. The video contains but a moment in time and you've no idea what preceded it. You are quick to jump to the conclusion you want. And once again, anyone who doesn't support your viewpoint is an idiot?

And you won't answer the question - how are the number of police officers available supposed to deal with the widespread nature of the disturbances if they have to arrest everyone and process them at the station?

What video?

When/how will the riots stop if the police don't use force?

Seems to have stopped in London, without resorting to random beatings of youths who look 'dodgy'

oh man, TJ is gonna run and run with this. It's gonna be one of [i]those[/i] threads. And for that reason alone, I'm out!

of course coppers can be criminal, the bobies are just the same as the rest of us. soon someone will suggest that all nhs workers are saints, politicians are examples of leadership and virtue. All walks of life a reflection of the society we have created for ourselves, unfortunatley society at the moment is on a downward spiral as western civilisation implodes in some sort of law of the jungle.

Lifer - no that's nothing like what I'm saying. In this instance, after everything what has gone on in our cities in the last few days, and from speculating about one small clip from which very little can be made out - calling someone, who is putting themselves at risk to help restore calm to our streets, a job which very few people on here and in the rest of society would envy, a criminal - is fricking RIDICULOUS and DISGUSTING.

that's what i'm saying. and TJ, if that is the attitude that disgusts you, then i'm absolutely fine with that.