[Closed] Madeline Mc Cann

There are so many other missing kids

How many approximately ?

Edit: 123 from the website you linked to. Lots of them seem to be teenagers, tragic but they have some chance of looking after themselves. Not so for a three year old.

Maybe the government should help them too.

Even the ginger ones?

how many other kids went missing whilst thier parents were enjoying a night out and the kids were left home alone..

Agreed there are thousands of missing kids, not to mention the girls abducted in Nigeria and all over the world. However there's a strong feeling that this case is the tip of a huge iceberg of organised abductions in Europe and if this can be cracked, a whole lot of others can be solved as well.

Like so many things in life, if it gets into the media things happen if it doesn't you're on your own. We don't live in a fair country, things would be very different if we did (and I'm not talking about redistribution of wealth fair, I'm talking about all being treated the same by the state fair).

You're wrong, I'm afraid. You're being far too cynical. The authorities would be fully supportive of all families regardless.

So if a couple on benefits were to leave their small (probably semi-feral) child in their council house while they went for a few WKD blue's, and a game or 2 of pool, at their flat-roofed local, they would receive sympathetic media coverage from the Daily Mail, probably a campaign of some kind, and the full support of the authorities

[i] However there's a strong feeling that this case is the tip of a huge iceberg of organised abductions in Europe[/i]

who's strong feeling? Not the police's or they wouldn't be digging up the Algarve?

Yawn... This hasn't been discussed before...

If they'd been asleep in the room next door I may have felt some sympathy for them but I don't. Not one little bit (speaking as the father of a 1 year old and 4 year old who I'd not let out of my sight, let alone leave alone whilst I went for a meal somewhere).

I think the lesson to be learned from all this is that if you're going to kidnap a child, don't pick a pretty little blonde girl, or you'll never hear the last of it.

This thread can only go one way.

there was that council house family in Yorkshire or somewhere that tried the media thing. I was convinced they were trying to get the public sympathy, and for someone to set up a multi-million GBP donations fund like the McCanns managed (and used). They got found out after about 3 days. Think they're banged up with the kids in care.

Can always tell when it's May, cos something happens in the Madeleine story. Not sure how much the McCanns media spokesperson earns.

[i]This thread can only go one way.[/i]

The same way it went the 37 other times it was discussed?

Especially this: [i]I just wonder if the police would care so much if the parents were underemployed and came from a rough council estate.[/i]
I mean, no offence iolo, but go through the forum history, there'll be plenty of points of view on this.

globalti - Member
However there's a strong feeling that this case is the tip of a huge iceberg of organised abductions in Europe and if this can be cracked, a whole lot of others can be solved as well.

wtf are you on about? if you have any proof about this shadowy paedo ring of epic proportions id genuinely like to hear more

The McCann's were slaughtered over that night. Fair play to them for constantly and tirelessly trying to find their daughter.

YES they made a massive mistake on holiday. Growing up I was left to run wild in the woods and wandered upto 12miles once before I was 8. This was common place in the late 70's/80's I bet.

Re the Council estate analogy. Do you think they would tirelessly campaign like the McCann's did/do? Who knows.

No Hora. People who live on council estates just don't understand love and nurture like people with mortgages and company cars. Its an established and unarguable fact. Its their ****lessness, you see

I said who know's.

Whenever I try the 'see all missing children' link on the above website, I get a 'page not found' message. Life can be so cruel

If they'd been asleep in the room next door I may have felt some sympathy for them but I don't. Not one little bit (speaking as the father of a 1 year old and 4 year old who I'd not let out of my sight, let alone leave alone whilst I went for a meal somewhere).

A bit harsh - true they were left alone but it was not like they went out of the resort and into town - they were just the other side of the pool. 30 odd metres.

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I went to a resort quite similar to this last year (Neilson not Mark Warner but same idea) and it seems to still be quite common practise although admittedly most of the parents I saw doing it had a baby monitor with them. I'm guessing the McCann's didn't but not sure.

Well I can imagine the 'support' they'd get from certain middle-market tabloids, who have been the cheerleaders for the McCanns

I'm pretty sure the abduction of any body's 3 yr old daughter would spark a massive police response.
The main reason it's still in the public eye is as mentioned above the McCanns tireless campaigning to keep it there.

Far too much money spent on trying to find one person.

Far too much money spent on trying to find one person.

I'd rather they spent a billion to catch the person than 'well we could spend it on a new computer system for the NHS'.

Miley Cyrus did it, she'a a lizard

Hora nailed it (with his first post for clarification, sure he'll say something 'odd' at some stage in this thread to spoil that).

There should be no limit to the money spent trying to find this kid, her parents were self centred gits for a night (may have been habitual for all I know) but the kid deserves the best we can offer as a civilised nation. Even if that means finding remains, which seems most likely.

iola - shut up you insensitive ****. If it were my kid, and i am nowhere near posh, then i would be demanding the same!

I mean, no offence iolo, but go through the forum history, there'll be plenty of points of view on this.

But in the news this morning one of the main headlines is this story. Again.

I feel sorry for the parents, tormented with 'its their fault', tormented by others and then tormented by whats happened to her. She was their eldest, their first?

It'll torment them to their grave. Thats not right.

Rob, they would look for your kid for maybe 3 months then give up.
I'm sure you are a fantastic dad.

It's no less than what they have done for missing Ben Needham over the years and I don't his parents were well off. Not that should make any difference.
Maybe if the local police had done a better job to begin with the UK police forces wouldn't need to investigate any further.

there was that council house family in Yorkshire or somewhere that tried the media thing

It'll torment them to their grave. Thats not right.

You know what, that's what being a human being is all about. You make a decision and you get to live with the repercussions be they good or bad.

Are Doctors 'rich' now? I thought Doctors were bloody hardworking and for what they have to deal with (if a GP)- wall to wall germs all day long, infections, rude patients etc. For 60k a year I can think of better jobs no?

You could be an MP for that. You'd make a really good one, I reckon

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Given their household income is twice the national average perhaps not rich but decently off in comparison with most Brits.

Without going into the semantics over a certain threshold you hit 40% tax. So they'd be how much better off a month for all that training/study/A&E etc etc?

Why bregudge them? They worked for it. ANYWAAY.

If they'd been asleep in the room next door I may have felt some sympathy for them but I don't.

It's comments like this that make me despair about the lack of compassion in certain areas of society. Or is it just random STW keyboard knobbery ?

Lets be anti the McCanns because they are........err, middle class????? Imagine if someone said let's be anti because they are poor or plebs?!?!

I hope they find Madeleine alive but if not at least let them have some closure. For them it's v hard to balance the positive and negative impacts of keeping the story live in the media. I feel for them especially as I am a rotten parent and have done exactly the same thing on a MW holiday. Perhaps we should be locked up or simply sterilised as evil parents???

Knobbery I think?

Lets be anti the McCanns because they are........err, middle class?????

That's got nothing to do with. Some people enjoy being judgmental of others because it makes them feel better about themselves. And they will use any excuse to do so. If the McCanns had been chavs it wouldn't have made any difference at all.

Partially true Ernie (the last bit) but the early posts on here falsify the first bit. There is an obvious undercurrent.....

I feel sorry for the parents, tormented with 'its their fault', tormented by others and then tormented by whats happened to her

It is their fault though. If they'd been in the apartment then what are the chances that a) someone would have broken in and b) taken a child.

It's comments like this that make me despair about the lack of compassion in certain areas of society. Or is it just random STW keyboard knobbery ?

What areas of society are that then?

cb - Member

There should be no limit to the money spent trying to find this kid, her parents were self centred gits for a night (may have been habitual for all I know) but the kid deserves the best we can offer as a civilised nation.

Sure, but... There's 31 kids under 16 on the ceops missing kids website, how many of them have you heard of?

I remember a sad sight in Glasgow, the big "missing persons" signs that usually had a load of local people of all ages from kids to pensioners, all replaced by big Maddy posters. Hard not to get cynical about stuff like that imo

convert - Member

If they'd been asleep in the room next door I may have felt some sympathy for them but I don't. Not one little bit (speaking as the father of a 1 year old and 4 year old who I'd not let out of my sight, let alone leave alone whilst I went for a meal somewhere).

A bit harsh - true they were left alone but it was not like they went out of the resort and into town - they were just the other side of the pool. 30 odd metres.

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I went to a resort quite similar to this last year (Neilson not Mark Warner but same idea) and it seems to still be quite common practise although admittedly most of the parents I saw doing it had a baby monitor with them. I'm guessing the McCann's didn't but not sure.

Are you sure that's right, I thought the apartment was not visible from where they were.

Edit : i had a map linked but took it off as not sure of it's origins

Slightly ot but we're going to a wedding in August, its an all day affair, church then the rest at the same hotel. The kids are invited. Now I know come 7pm they're gonna have had enough, would you leave them upstairs in the hotel room whilst you continued to drink/be merry.
They're 12 and 9 btw, we're of the inclination to say no at the moment.

It's comments like this that make me despair about the lack of compassion in certain areas of society. Or is it just random STW keyboard knobbery?

This. Written by somebody who is not a parent.

If it was my child I would give up work and bankrupt myself to find him or her and continue until I had clear evidence of death.