[Closed] Losing weight, age old thread but any proper advice?

Can't you just accept you don't really know what you're talking about?

only if you do too :o)

To clarify on Dairy is the Enemy - dairy contains a lot more fat than a lot of people realise, and it means you can;t have pizza, creamy pasta dishes etc. I wasn't quoting any actual science on this, perhaps low fat dairy is OK. It is just a very simple rule to control fat intake, given the obvious stuff about lean meat and don't deep fry all those healthy vegetable.

Science is rubbish these days anyway since t'internet ! And don't start me on Sports Science.

For me I found it useful to get a real idea of the amount of weight I needed to lose; to get to a BMI of ~22 I needed to lose about 20KG which equated to a typical airline baggage allowance - having recently lugged that around on holiday it finally (!) dawned that I was lugging the same around with me whenever I was riding and to lose it would make a huge difference to tackling hills etc.

I also did a bit of the psychobabble bit of actually working out whether what felt like hunger signals actually meant I was in need of food, or were instead just signs of being tired and/or stressed and/or bored etc (mostly the latter when it came down to it).

Also I decided I wanted to do what I could to reduce risks of high blood pressure/diabetes/heart attack stroke and all the other things that mean active life could stop many years before it should.

Finally I decided to drop the booze, puddings and snacks, but otherwise to eat pretty much the normal diet, and to try and exercise or at least not slob out mosty weekday nights.

Currently 1 stone down on the way to three stones down.....

i have been vegan for 22 years and what a surprise! i aint fat! milk is designed to feed a newborn calf and not to go on your cornflakes. its easy really. its bloody unnatural to consume milk and dairy. there are no other species on the planet that consume another animals milk, and if you still think its natural? i would like to see you drink it straight from the cow and not have it conveniently bottled and chilled for you. do the math! it isnt rocket salad you know.

adlyhobart

i would like to see you drink it straight from the cow and not have it conveniently bottled and chilled for you.

Yes please raw milk is wonderfull stuff

mind you so is bacon etc

You're a vegan and preaching to us about what our natural diet should be? 🙄

i aint fat!

there are no other species on the planet that consume another animals milk

bollox

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I've also [personally]seen a cat taking milk straight from the cow

i have been vegan for 22 years and what a surprise! i aint fat!

aahhhhhh...... Sanctimony

However you go about it, losing excess weight is a good thing to do. I've knocked off about 5kg in the last couple of months (stacked it on by eating too many snacks and breaking my leg last year) and I feel loads better for it. Climbing performance has improved and my wife is 'digging' me. 😉

Learn to fidget all the time. This is my theory as to why I'm a skinny ****er that eats way more than they burn off.

A page or so back, someone wanted alternative to sandwiches to take to work. Since Mr Cooroo discovered he felt better without bread, he (and sometimes me too) has been having: cooked rice, tuna (nice flavoured ones from Aldi) or ham, spring onion, tomatoes, cucumber all mixed up with a bit of low fat mayo. He reckons it's more filling than sandwich and has lost 2 stone since Feb.

its bloody unnatural to consume milk and dairy. there are no other species on the planet that consume another animals milk, and if you still think its natural?

Dead fall fruitarian is the way forward. Or maybe not - think of the microbes people...

lol dairy is the enemy 😀 In those thought processes we'd be banning cooking any meat too, and only consuming raw fruit and veg and raw meat.

The only enemy is eating too much of stuff or in an unbalanced way.

Fat is not the enemy. I think a common mistake people make is cutting out all fat from their diet and overdosing on carbs instead, which never leave you feeling satisfied unless you scoff an absolute ton of them. Eat some peanut butter, olive oil, avocados, nuts, full-fat yoghurt, etc.

Exercise does increase your metabolic rate for a period afterwards for the majority of people. there is no doubt about this. Mechanisms are not totally clear and how much exercise at what threshold is debatable but the basic fact of exercise increasing your BMR even after the exercise is complete is accepted by virtually everyone who works and researches in this field - apart from SFB of course

Refs for simon

- this one is in older sedentery people but the effect is there
http://biomed.gerontologyjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/52/6/M352

Wiki - follow the references if you still need convincing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate

Do a 1 hour low intensity ride before breakfast (a cup of black coffee before is OK though). This isn't bonk training it's just you'll switch on fat-burning much easier. The exercise will also raise your metabolism for several hours after so you'll be burning additional calories just sitting at your desk in work.

Only other tip I'd give is have more than 3 meals a day but spread them out and reduce portion size so in balance you're not eating more calories). Also protein makes you feel fuller than carbs (which is why the Atkins diet kinda works) so although you shouldn't stop eating carbs and fat it can be beneficial to increase the proportion of protein you're eating.

http://biomed.gerontologyjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/52/6/M352

but the quoted result is (a) 60kCal/day - ie tiny (b) less than 30% of the margin for error

Yes, but it's in the elderly and the exercise will be trivial.
Come on simon, why do you find it hard to believe that your body might need extra cals to repair itself when you've exercised?

Simon - plenty more links for you to follow and pick holes in if you want

I am not doing your googling for you but if you insist agasinst the mass of scientific evidence that this effect does not occur perhaps yo could show where you get your information from.

Many studies show this effect in one form or another although how big the effect is and what the mechanism are are not clear to me.

you'll switch on fat-burning much easier

does not occur perhaps yo could show where you get your information from

I'm arguing from an evolutionary standpoint. Creatures that kept burning extra energy after they've stopped action would be at a disadvantage. Mind you, the effect you mention is too small to be significant

the biggest waste product from exercise is heat. which raises metabolism

restoring homeostasis post exercise has an energy cost.

if you can't comprehend this why offer advice as clearing you are ignorant, thick or deluded or maybe even all three..

[i]i have been vegan for 22 years and what a surprise! i aint fat! [/i]

I've been an Omnivore for 40yrs and what a surprise, I ain't fat!

he biggest waste product from exercise is heat. which raises metabolism

it's the other way round, metabolism generates heat :o)

ignorant, thick or deluded or maybe even all three..

the word you're searching for is "sceptical"...

I'm arguing from an evolutionary standpoint. Creatures that kept burning extra energy after they've stopped action would be at a disadvantage.

Creatures who's bodies didn't repair themselves or return metabolic chemicals to normal after exercise wouldn't last long either. Exercise is a damaging process on the micro scale. The reason it's a good thing on the macro scale is that the body can repair itself and does so better than before in an attempt to adapt.

anyway my BMI is ok

Shame I need to be 12" taller

I'm arguing from an evolutionary standpoint. Creatures that kept burning extra energy after they've stopped action would be at a disadvantage. Mind you, the effect you mention is too small to be significant

From an evolutionary standpoint muscle repair and glycogen replenishment [b]before[/b] the lion goes for you is probably a good thing, and both of them require energy.

Edit: coffeeking beat me to it!

it's the other way round, metabolism generates heat :o)

i'm refering the post post exercise state - reducing your temperature has an energy cost

the word you're searching for is "sceptical"...

no its not. Do you have some credible new laws of thermodynamics that you're keeping to yourself?

Im always really hot and could wear just my kegs in winter and not be cold, why am not less big ?

Im always really hot and could wear just my kegs in winter and not be cold, why am not less big ?

You eat too much.

I saw a cover one of those cheapy 'Chat' type magazines that had the headline "I lost 5lbs after swimming with sharks"

Probably a foot and a chunk of her lower leg I'd imagine. If you are looking for something a bit more 'balanced' you try a tank of piranhas.

if you can't comprehend this why offer advice as [b]clearing[/b] you are ignorant, [b]thick[/b] or deluded or maybe even all three..

*chortle*

bob passes the reading test... I fail the spelling test 😉

Probably a foot and a chunk of her lower leg I'd imagine

or maybe the rapid bowel evacuation?

A friend of mide has lost 12.5stone (yes thats right, 12.5 stone, more than I weigh!). Dropping from roughly 25 stone in 6 years. She has had an amazing journey and has written a book which is worth a read,

http://www.dietgirl.org/dietgirl/about-shauna-reid.html

The eating little and often seems to work - I'm only looking to lose a couple of kilos and have found this works quite well and most of the time it stops me reaching for the vending machine at 4pm. It also helps balance blood sugar. A good book to read is Anita Bean's food for fitness and she has another one on nutrition for exercise - both cover loosing weight, food, exercise etc. I've been doing a bit of reading and protein seems to be the way forward - keeps you full for longer, as well as helping with recovery so you can train harder.

Running makes me really hungry and not sure I notice a change in weight - my hr is higher than on a ride, but as I only run for an hour, I burn less calories than on a ride (given I usually ride for 3-4 hours)

Cut back on meat and eat more veggies/beans/pulses. Opt for tomato based sauces instead of creamy ones. Be careful of giving up chocolate/sweets and eating nuts/dried fruit instead - yes they are healthier for you, but can contain similar amounts of calories if you don't watch portion control. Lots of exercise and no booze.

I don't follow the fat burning / hr thing as I can't seem to stay in the hr zone needed to burn fat - and surely the more calories burnt during exercise the better, rather than forcing yourself to take it easy.

Mixing up training as well works well - I'm currently doing a mixture of running, mtb'ing, road riding, weights and spinning classes. I have days when I run and then ride, instead of just run or ride. I certainly feel more toned / slimer /clothes looser, even though the scales aren't showing much difference.

(Hels, if you check back on this thread, can you PM me - would like to ask you something but don't appear to have your email address...)

........and no booze

& for that reason, I'm out

I don't follow the fat burning / hr thing as I can't seem to stay in the hr zone needed to burn fat - and surely the more calories burnt during exercise the better, rather than forcing yourself to take it easy.

The only way that fat can be stored in our body is in the presence of insulin. Insulin is only produced when we eat carbs. So carb and fat together = weight gain, eg, chips, crisps, cakes, pizza, cheese sandwich.

So bacon and eggs for breakfast is fine...but bacon, eggs and a slice of bread? Bread produces insulin, and all the fat from the bacon is then stored!
FAT IS NOT THE ENEMY!!!!! SUGAR IN ANY FORM IS THE ENEMY!!

The whole "eat less, do more" thing is conplete rubbish. It's not how much we eat, but what we eat. Exercise is fantastic but don't count on it as a means to weight reduction.

Foxychick - that is wrong in several ways. Bread does not produce insulin, you need carbs in your diet, eating fat and protein will still put on weight if you eat enough. its a simple calculation - calories in ( in any form) > calories out you gain weight

TJ....really sorry but you are SO wrong!

Bread does not produce insulin???? And I thought you had a tiny amount of medical knowledge...seems it's very tiny indeed.

I did not say don't eat carbs...but if you want to lose weight, don't eat them with fat.

I think posters should qualify their statements with their method of knowledge acquisition e.g. googled it, have a PhD in sports science, etc etc.

There's a whole load of armchair experts here!

So if I finish eating my toast and marmalade (no butter) before starting on my bacon and eggs I'll lose weight?