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That's a clever trick. 🙂
Caught the last Harry Potter on the telly recently and that looked amazing. So CGI is getting better!
Might have looked amazing but she ran out of ideas after Goblet of Fire - the last few books were just endless filler and then one fight scene at the end.
I always associate those films with bad CGI. Nowt worse than bad CGI, so I always avoided them. Read the book/s as a kid though and loved it,
The LOTR CGI was good for its time, but shows its age now.
But that's not the be-all and end-all that some think, as said above, a good script based on a solid story with good actors can easily overshadow a bit of fancy graphics.
Just look at the latest matrix film, very fancy CGI and no plot.
“There’s only one Return okay, and it aint of the king”
I was just going to link that 😅 luckily I checked.
The Hobbit is an easy read as a kid perhaps, but it’s horsework as an adult.
I read it as a kid as it came with The Speccy game of the same Name 🙂
I then read the rest of his works, as said it’s very old stuff and the grandaddy of all the d&d stuff.
Huge tolkein fan and mostly like the movies
The hobbit ones suck though
As for the series
At the moment we are in the middle of what will be known as the streaming wars
Apple, Disney, Amazon, Netflix etc all pumping billions into TV to try & force out the others
Enjoy it while it lasts!
I think your right,we are getting spoilt with lots of good stuff.
Like a tv renaissance 🙂
Haven't read the books since i was a teenager, and have no memory of enjoying them though!
I just find that a lot of the time they cause themselves issues with movies and series by trying to stay loyal to the source material, technology and ability has changed, i'd dare say Tolkien would change a few things knowing what we do now, it's the opposite for the likes of Marvel, they tweak the source material to suit their agenda, always have, Disney do it for that and Star Wars
Just look as the hash they made of the latest Alien film: Alien: Covenant
I love the whole Alien story/lore but I just can't get more than 20 mins into that film without turning it off, it's terrible, despite the fancy CGI.
The hobbit ones suck though
Did they spin that out into three films? If so, it was do dull I can't even remember any of it!
Would i be branded a heretic to say I found the new Dune film errr boring 😉
Just look as the hash they made of the latest Alien film: Alien: Covenant
Ridley Scott made one good Alien film. James Cameron made another very different but equally good one.
Then RS had endless attempts at making another and they all sucked.
I think it’s because we want a bit more of what we liked,we wanted more Han Solo,leia and Luke after the original trilogy not jar jar blinks in the prequel.
I think it’s because we want a bit more of what we liked,we wanted more Han Solo,leia and Luke after the original trilogy not jar jar blinks in the prequel.
Apparently JJB was quite popular with the younger generation. I think the problem really is George Lucas write dialogue for 6 year olds, so if you're any older and watching one of his SW films, they really do suck (unless you saw it when you were young in which case it seems to get a pass).
I gave up and haven't even bothered to try and watch the latest three films (no idea how many there are now).
Then RS had endless attempts at making another and they all sucked.
Alien 3 I thought was ok, and the crazy one, resurection? was almost good, but really missed the mark.
Just goes to show, you can take best story and stuff it up if you don't execute it properly.
Alien 3 I thought was ok, and the crazy one, resurection? was almost good, but really missed the mark.
I loved Charles Dance in 3, but they killed him off way too soon. After that it didn't really work for me. The Winona Ryder one was OK ish, but no where near as good as 1 or 2, which are almost perfect films.
At school (late seventies, early eighties) the metallers lapped that LotR shit right up (whilst listening to Stairway, obvs).
Us snot nosed punk rockers scoffed and mocked (openly). Of course we’d never read a word but it was all elfs and shit, wooo... ****ing retards.
I was waaaay beyond that stage by then, I’d read 1984 at primary school FFS. I’d read Brave New World, We and was often seen posing with my (nicked from the library) copy of Homage To Catalonia, Road to Wigan Pier or Down and Out... urban realism in my Sandinista T-shirt.
When I finally got a girlfriend though she made me read the damn thing. Oh, man, I was right! Shiiiiite.
The Loon was both a Harry Potter (nice line about Debbie McGee, great work) and LotR fan and every ****ing birthday insisted on seeing one of them as his treat. What was the one with the 25-30 minute battle scene? I had fallen asleep (thankfully) by the end of it.
I’m sure that LotR has more merit than GoT but **** me, they got the tv series right (barring late season 7 onwards).
Then RS had endless attempts at making another and they all sucked.
He’s only done 3 in total.
Would i be branded a heretic to say I found the new Dune film errr boring
I’ll be branded too then. I was looking forward to it and found it pretty bland and soulless. Just felt very sterile and boring. Then again I find a lot of his films are like that. Look nice, sometimes sound nice and that’s it.
Back to the OT - as others have said they are well loved books because they pretty much singlehandedly started an entire genre. That genre has moved on a massive amount since but people have a soft spot for them and most writers don’t seem to be able to escape all the tropes despite trying.
I think it’s because we want a bit more of what we liked,we wanted more Han Solo,leia and Luke after the original trilogy not jar jar blinks in the prequel.
I watched the cartoons with Funk Jr and Clone Wars and Rebels are, in my opinion, the best Star Wars has done. Rebels being the best and containing a 99% new cast with the best droid. I honestly thought Star Wars would have a better future on TV but The Book of Boba Fett now has me doubting that
+2 on that
Dune gets worse the longer that passes since I saw it.
They should make a film/series of the grown up version - The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, by Steven Donaldson. The first two trilogies. I'm surprised no-one has tried.
I watched the cartoons with Funk Jr and Clone Wars and Rebels are, in my opinion, the best Star Wars has done. Rebels being the best and containing a 99% new cast with the best droid. I honestly thought Star Wars would have a better future on TV but The Book of Boba Fett now has me doubting that
Not watched the boba fett thing yet, but i do find it weird that they created a TV series on the basis of a bit part character from parts 5 & 6, then due to the popularity of that show, they bring back the original character for his own series, then by the sounds of it, don't really use him!
When i see Star Wars or Marvel stuff nowadays i do see the house of mouse milking it for all it's worth, but they do have a team of writers creating new stuff on a whim, i don't think LOTR has that ability, have to say with Star Wars, it's a bit weird so much happens on that one planet, and it all seems to be based around space cowboys all the time!
yeah, we don'y want lazy marketing, we want good film/tv that's acually had some thought put into it.
Paging Elf-in-safety to the thread
They should make a film/series of the grown up version – The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, by Steven Donaldson
I read those in the late 70’s when they were first published.
I am not surprised no one has tried
Paging Elf-in-safety to the thread
someone just outed themselves as not the n00b they claimed to be…
Peter Jackson did a really good job on LOTR, all been said, but not so much on the hobbit
I preffered Bad taste. Maybe he could do a remake with a budget above 89p
'I'm Derrick and Derrick's don't die' or something like that, was a long time ago.
It’s hobbit forming.
Badum, tish!
For the hobbit yes, but not really for the trilogy
Have you read the trilogy? ‘Cos the middle book of the three is basically all filler! Some decent editing would make it two much better books.
I have read it, my hardcover copies are upstairs. I bought them in the early 70’s, read them once, couldn’t summon up the enthusiasm to bother reading them again - there’s much better fantasy writing out there.
This, for example, ‘The Broken Sword’, by Poul Anderson, first published sixty-eight years ago, and with a fraction of the page-count.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Broken_Sword
Oh, and the Elves are far too twee, they’re bloody-handed, nasty sons-of-bitches in most legends.
Sadly, IMO they got the Hobbit wrong. It was a kids book – it should have been a pair of kids films I think. 2 x 2 and a half hours, with most of the ‘extra’ material left out.
What we got was three long, boring, confusing films that got worse as you went through.
Not watched the boba fett thing yet
This is a bonus, most of us unfortunately have.
This might explain why…
A Guillermo del Toro directed Hobbit, surely one of the great what ifs...
John Boorman was going to make an LotR film in the 70s or 80s and that too could have been an interesting beast. I loved his Excalibur but it wasn't to everyone's taste. A low tech LotR would have interested me far more than the bells and whistles CGI we got but that was never going to happen when it finally got made.
I think the answer to the question is that Tolkien was a scholar and developed a pretty detailed world around his understanding of Norse, Finnish, Celtic, British and Greek mythology. What little I've tried reading of that makes Tolkien's writing seem gripping to say the least.
Within the worlds he created there's detailed geography, history, culture. For people looking to escape a banal life, that's great. For obsessives that's crack.
Most authors don't provide that level of detail, and also give something enjoyable for readers that don't want to get so involved.
He even created languages for the races that he included - i remember a kid at school spending his lunchtimes translating the runes (He's now a linguist in Kazakhstan).
For the record, i'm fond of the Hobbit and LOTR, couldn't get into any of his other stuff, watched the LOTR films once, haven't bothered with the others.
Plus, who doesn't think the idea of living in a bunker with a round door and having hairy feet is kinda cute? It's the stuff Kevin McCloud's dreams are made of.
Star Wars should have stopped at Return of the Jedi.
I'm a big fan of the LoTR AND Hobbit films me. Extended versions of course so the Hobbit is even longer and further away from the book. When this series starts I'll be there in front of my TV with a big spoon shoveling it down, if its good or bad I'm still gonna watch it.
I prefer the LotR films to the books and I’ve read them all about six times. The films trim all the shite bits and singing. The Hobbit films can get in the sea though. We don’t talk about thems do we precious
+1
I like the films because of how slow and suspenseful they are to build. Can't stand cinema that is action-heavy. I worry the new series will just be action action action when I want the constant threat of a dark lord but you only get to meet the dark lord right at the end (I realise this is before that time but just to illustrate)
Huge tolkein fan
Do they give themselves a cringey name? Like Trekkies, Whovians or Potterites?
If not, may I suggest Tolkeenies?
I think also when you came to these books makes a huge difference to how you feel about them. My brother read them as a early teenager and it made a massive impact on his life, I read them in my late 20s and they're "just " a set of books I worked my way through as part of a effort to read some "classics"
someone just outed themselves as not the n00b they claimed to be…
😉
Do they give themselves a cringey name? Like Trekkies, Whovians or Potterites?
If not, may I suggest Tolkeenies?
The Tolkien Heads?
Do they give themselves a cringey name? Like Trekkies, Whovians or Potterites?
If not, may I suggest Tolkeenies?
Ringers?
BBC piece on the subject and the teaser trailer.
Why's it popular? That's a view that not many blokes wouldn't appreciate seeing:
I do hope that's pre-production CGI in the trailer as it looks like a dodgy video game or LOTR meets Twilight.
Teaser trailer looks a bit fantasy-by-numbers.
I'm guessing Wheel of Time will turn out to be better, when it's all done.
Did we do a Wheel of Time thread?
Why’s it popular? That’s a view that not many blokes wouldn’t appreciate seeing:
Huh? OMG my knob's gone a funny colour!
Brass monkeys.
Or something like that.