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The issue with the travel for exercise clarification here is that people from Bristol fee example could easily justify driving to Cwmcarn to ride the trails while the Welsh rules say not to travel for exercise. Basically we still have the issues with cross border differences we had with the Tier system.
I think there’s no getting away from the fact that people still going to work necessitates the kids still going to school.
Only for primary school.
It’s also why kids being in school nullifies so much of the “lockdown” efforts… it increases the number of people mixing in work and commuting environments, not just in schools.
no ones had anything approaching a successful policy
All year, or just this Autumn? In the past few weeks, NI seem to have got on top of the problem they had over there. Scotland data later this month is likely to look more promising than down here as well. I’ll wager the same is likely to be true for Wales as well. Of course, all those nations were limited in what they could do by those in Westminster.
But.
The policy can be as strict/stupid as anyone thinks, but it's the general public who are to blame as much as anyone now. Seeing the group's, the nights out, the people saying 'sod it' to any rules, they're the issue really.
All year, or just this Autumn?
Locking down before half term (and extending it) made a lot more sense.
Im NOT saying Boris has done anything other than create an omnishambles. Just challenging the narrative that the devolved administrations have played some sort of masterstroke.
There was someone on the last thread talking about driving from Scotland to the Alps and the way they portrayed it England was some sort or 28days later wasteland they were going to travel through with the windows up to avoid certain death! No hint or irony that driving to the Alps might be as much part of the problem as a trip to Barnard Castle.
The issue with the travel for exercise clarification here is that people from Bristol fee example could easily justify driving to Cwmcarn to ride the trails while the Welsh rules say not to travel for exercise
English is only for short distances it would still seem people are happy to ignore that though.
The policy can be as strict/stupid as anyone thinks, but it’s the general public who are to blame as much as anyone now. Seeing the group’s, the nights out, the people saying ‘sod it’ to any rules, they’re the issue really.
Perhaps some of them but many or most are just fatigued by ever changing advice and conflicting guidance.
At some point who can be bothered with new rules that get changed, reinterpreted etc.
Problem being those who feel they need to drive an hour to a trail centre rather than ride from home/local, when that is a viable option for them.
Which could be solved by saying no one can travel more than 10-20-30miles etc without good reason.
As it is I will do as I have been, and until they hang Dominic Cummings and the Tory party I really don't care. November will merge into December and then Brexit hits in January and we get real shortages rather than idiots panic buying.
Locking down before half term (and extending it) made a lot more sense.
Exactly.
the devolved administrations have played some sort of masterstroke
They haven’t. They did the obvious and minimum. Johnson’s team didn’t even do that… and now we have to pay the price.
Can we really blame this increase of infections on people not adhering to the rules? Admittedly just a small snapshot but compliance where I live has been very good.
Only for primary school.
You're very trusting! What will all these secondary school kids left at home do for the winter? Obey the rules?
Can we really blame this increase of infections on people not adhering to the rules? Admittedly just a small snapshot but compliance where I live has been very good
See just last night, a rave in Bristol with 700 people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055
Multiply that by events not found over 100 other towns and cities, etc.
You’re very trusting! What will all these secondary school kids left at home do for the winter? Obey the rules?
The infection rate spiked when schools went back. I believe more than 20% of cases are attributed to schools ATM.
It couldn't be much worse.
You’re very trusting! What will all these secondary school kids left at home do for the winter? Obey the rules?
More so than going into school and where they don't at least it would be mainly outdoors.
A significant number will have one parent at home anyway.
The current situation for us is ours go's into school, mixes on the way in then mixes all day in classrooms then goes via some route home.
When told to do otherwise outside his response is why bother we are forced not to wear masks and touch each other in school.
He knows he can't visit grandma ... and I can't see any point telling him I need a negative test next Friday or my colonoscopy gets cancelled.
The infection rate spiked when schools went back. I believe more than 20% of cases are attributed to schools ATM.
OMG, A coronavirus bei9ng spread through schools.... who could have forseen that?
I called the coppers out on what turned out to be 15 youths partying in local woodland this week - not because of Covid, I was more concerned because it was at a wetland nesting site and didn't want the birdlife disturbing.
You know, I think I'll just carry on with my self contained solo overnight bike-bivi trips to areas I know are quiet.
Just leave the ravers be..we were all young once.
At least they are probably building up some kind of heard immunity now rather than delaying the inevitable. Just as long as they don’t take granny
Not when they're trashing local wildlife habitats, I won't. The rest I don't give a monkey's about.
Oh yeah not those ones- b*stards. More the brizzle ones
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Despite Surgeons* better PR, deaths in Scotland are still at about 550/million (England is about 720), so you’re still on the worldwide naughty step despite the geographical advantage of a remote population.
*The same argument applies if you’re Welsh/Irish, no ones had anything approaching a successful policy.
Go reread. I wasn't implying anything about Scotland being in a palpably better position. More a statement of fact that I am not part of the 'we' in lockdown next week. Unless things change I'll be enjoying the comparative freedoms of Scottish stage 1 when the English lockdown 2.0 starts.
@oldgit really sorry to hear that. It’s just a nightmare. We are due to marry this year also.
We some small slither of hope in that the wedding is 10 days after the lock down should end but thats assuming they for some reason also lower the tiers after lockdown as we are currently tier 3. The annoying part is we are technically able to marry but the venue won’t allow it as their insurer has told them they won’t be covered for tier 3 guests.
We are now looking at postponing but to when? And to top it off all our suppliers have gone silent. Helpful.
Good luck with everything.
English is only for short distances it would still seem people are happy to ignore that though.
What counts as a short distance?
Bristol to the FoD, hopefully 🤣
Kerley if we all followed your common sense then we’d still be trying to get rid of all the good we panic bought.
Sigh, apart from there was no panic buying I just bought a bit more than I normally would for a few weeks just in case supermarkets were not operating fully (which we now know is not a problem) and it was all used by May.
Still doesn't detract from the fact that if everyone had lived as I have for the last 6 months we would not be in another lockdown, simple as that.
Despite Surgeons* better PR, deaths in Scotland are still at about 550/million (England is about 720), so you’re still on the worldwide naughty step despite the geographical advantage of a remote population.
*The same argument applies if you’re Welsh/Irish, no ones had anything approaching a successful policy.
Reading all of this makes me feel incredibly lucky to live in The Isle of Man where there have been no cases in the community since May 20th . We closed our borders and got the rate down to zero and have been living normally ever since . Can't travel anywhere off island without having to self isolate for 2 weeks upon returning but otherwise all is normal . I really hope that the rest of the UK get on top of it soon but I suspect that's going to be a big ask .
But.
The policy can be as strict/stupid as anyone thinks, but it’s the general public who are to blame as much as anyone now. Seeing the group’s, the nights out, the people saying ‘sod it’ to any rules, they’re the issue really.
But there will always be people pushing the limits. It's literally the job of government to protect the general public, quite often from themselves. So while I'd agree that personal responsibility is important, you must accept that lockdown 1 had a phenomenal impact on the spread.
Ergo, the nature of restrictions is more significant that the small % who ignore them. Seems obvious that tighter restrictions can minimise the impact of any bellendery going on. So in March, the govt dithered for a few weeks and we saw what happened. Now, it's dithered for a few months, and we will see it again 😥.
Bristol to the FoD, hopefully 🤣
Seriously? A journey of over an hour (you can’t go through Wales) and travelling across multiple county borders...
Bristol has excellent local riding in AC/LW/Belmont and the surrounding trails.
At the moment you can go through Wales, as long you don’t stop (it’s like 4 miles through Chepstow)
Also the 🤣 means I’m slightly taking the piss...
I doubt I’ll have any time off during this lockdown, sadly; I could do with another month off ‘cos we’ve been absolutely run off our feet at work since June, we took on four more logistics staff, and are taking on more, we’re struggling to cope with the three extra contracts we won earlier this year. If I do, I’ll still drive over to Avebury, West Woods and around Castle Combe, because I know for a fact I can walk for ages and see very few other people, unlike walking from home, where I’m surrounded by streets and other people. Plus, I’m the only person in my car, about as socially isolating as I can get.
I’m sure someone will take issue with this, but as stated, I will see very few other people, so I really don’t give a damn.
Bristol has excellent local riding in AC/LW/Belmont and the surrounding trails.
It is normally pretty good, but most of the off piste in LW has gone with the recent logging (hopefully it'll be back but it's not there now), Belmont will be closed with the rain. You can still ride what's left but I can understand people wanting something a little more inspiring (especially if 1 month turns into two or three)
Agree with Uni though, get the impression that’s a commercial decision. People wanting their money’s worth/Unis won’t survive if they have to refund fees.
Actually there's a problem with closing unis even if they wanted to now. Inevitably the students would scatter back to their parents, many of them unknowingly carrying the virus with them.
I believe more than 20% of cases are attributed to schools ATM.
To transmission in schools or amongst school age children? I know that locally two confirmed cases in teenagers were widely believed to have been "caught" at parties (indoor parties, in an area where indoor mixing was not permitted at that time). I've not heard any more confirmed case since then....
What counts as a short distance?
yes, I think they might have overestimated the ability of the great british public to apply some basic thought to that and work it out for themselves; and leaving flexibility so that people can apply sense to their situation (e.g. travel away from busiest areas) is of course manipulated to suit the advantage of others.
I'm not comfortable messing with a kids education. I believe much of our reasoning even on this very topic stems from our education. Also...aren't a huge proportion of future medical staff currently studying at universities? Haven't all uni students already caught it by now? Seriously....do we know this? Should be easy to find out?
What counts as a short distance?
Hopefully it'll get people travelling less than normal, whatever that is, so a step in the right direction. If you normally drive a hundred miles, to the Lakes, say, then now you'll 'only' drive 20 miles in lockdown. I'm sure plenty will say that isn't a short distance, but it is an improvement, and most will stay very local, not driving at all.
Haven’t all uni students already caught it by now? Seriously….do we know this? Should be easy to find out?
No. A lot of Unis tested all their students the percentage wasn’t high.
Anyway this thread has reached the same route as the main covid thread so I will close it. Feel free to continue Covid 19 and lockdown on there. Thanks.