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Good luck with the meeting monksie.
I can't imagine for one second that the police are going to be on the side of a guy who has already been 'reported' and may or may not be the subject of ongoing investigations for his conduct with schoolgirls.
FWIW I think in the circumstances you were remarkably restrained when your daughter came home in tears and you then asked the gentleman 'politely' not to do it again. Lesser men might have resorted to threats and violence. 😉
I have concluded with the kind assistance of my wife that ... I am innocent and consequently will not be going anywhere near any police station
As things stand they have a guy who's had a few complaints about possibly inappropriate behaviour now suggesting that you've threatened to harm him. Given that the "paedo/perv" label is easily applied and hard to shift, regardless of the truth they're probably quite worried about his safety (like that paediatrician who was singled out, or the landlord of that murdered lass in Bristol)
On the tiny off-chance that this situation with you & the "perv" might just recur in some form or another, why would you want to be seen by the police as uncooperative ?
If I were you I'd call them, discuss need for representation and make an appointment to go in and have it on record that you didn't do this.
If I were you I'd call them, discuss need for representation and make an appointment to go in and have it on record that you didn't do this.
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I'd definately not ignore the phone message as it is likely that you'll get a personal visit at home and having no contact [i][u]could[/u][/i] give the impression that you've got something to hide etc (Speaking from my own professional experience)
I'd also much rather speak to the Officer on my own terms with regard to dates and times, than have one at my home address.
If this chap has acted inappropriately, I would definately want to get my side across and have it recorded.
"Therefore I am innocent and consequently will not be going anywhere near any police station"
Therefore I am innocent and consequently will not be going anywhere near any police station"
What ever one thinks of the police they don't go around inviting you in for a word for the fun of it. The officer either wants you in and off guard so he can get a result for himself or he wants you in so that he can make a rubbish job go away with minimum hassle for you.
If you don't go in he will have an uncleard case on his work load he will get pressure off his supervision and his only option will be to escalate the response by circulating you as wanted and then some one will arrest and detain you. At which point the police's good will and the desire to resolve things in you favor will have diminished.
Question number two in interview would also be "if you are so innocent why have you been avoiding us?"
Please contact a local criminal lawyer and make an arrangement to go in as a volunteer to sort it out.
Crankboy LLB Solicitor HCA
I would just go in fr the chat - but keep in mind that you can always shut up / ask for representation if it is going in a direction you don't like.
IMO its always worth being co operative with cops - it just makes life a lot easier
The flip side of this...
Is it possible the police are trying to build a case against the chap who put his arm around your daughter?
They MIGHT have had other complaints and need to speak to you with regard to your incident
granted its unlikely.. ukPLC you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent
I really think you need to speak to them, but not without representation.
Don't speak to them in your home, and don't let them come round in a panda car to collect you..
Good luck
(Mr MC posting)
I'm surprised to see coppers saying get legal advice, and get the solicitor/rep to tell you what the police have disclosed. This practice of disclosing to solicitors only goes to serve the solicitor not the detainee or the investigator, by empowering the solicitor with "look what I've got out of them" and undermining any rapport the officer has built with the suspect. I give disclosure to the suspect- after all they are the person with a case to answer, and I give it to them regardless of whether they want legal advice. If they have legal advice I give a copy of the disclosure to the advisor as well. Locally this practice is taught in Tier 3 suspect interviewing now.
To the OP and as others have said, it is likely to be an interview under caution not under arrest. Call the officer and find out if this is the case, arrange a mutually convenient time, and attend. Find out what the score is, and decide whether you want legal advice. And remember it is only advice, not slurring those legal professionals on here (as crankboy has given very balanced, sensible advice) but I have done many interviews where the suspect was innocent, but they replied "no comment" on legal advice which has not been in their best interests (kept in overnight and further interviewed, if theyd given that account straight away they would have been released no charge no further action).
It sounds like the officer is being reasonable so respond accordingly. The extreme alternative is the officer resorts to circulating you as wanted, you get stopped in your car and arrested (possibly in front of wife, family, friends) and get kept in overnight for the officer in the case to come in and deal in the morning. You have defence solicitors and police officers giving the same advice. Me, I'd make the phone call.
So are you still on the lam?
Do you need a safehouse?
When I was a boy I went in for an 'informal' chat after someone in our school OD'd.
During the 'chat' I was essentially accused of being a drug dealer, and told that there would be 'consequences' if I didn't give him the names of all drug dealers in the village.
I said no and he got a bit shirty.
My Mum was with me though...she had my back.
Mr Mc obviously i disagree with a portion of what you say and would happily have the full debate down the pub or on a cross country ride ,but out of curiosity do you genuinely give disclosure prior to interview off tape to an unrepresented suspect? if so where do you work?
I have a lad on remand now because he chose to put forward his innocent account in interview rather than follow my advise to say nothing.
Oh, I should probably point out that the 'informal chat' I had when I was a boy was recorded and I was read my rights before we started.
crankboy, we will both have counter experiences. I had 3 suspects kept in overnight and subject to intimate samples for a rape where, if they'd given the account they eventually gave at the start, they would have been released 18hrs earlier and without suffering the indignity of a medical exam. They all said they wanted to talk but followed the advice given (with no opportunity to collude they gave identical accounts of consent with elements I was able to independently corroborate).
Yes, I serve a written disclosure notice on the d/p in custody (ensure they can read it, tell them not to comment on it prior to me handing it to them) and have done for maybe 5 years. More often than not the d/p will mention it in interview and I have never had a negative experience in doing so (and by negative I mean in the best interests of determining the truth, not some pro-prosecution agenda). Tier 3 teaches to serve it on tape, but my personal issue with that is that (represented or not) if the d/p is in an interview room they will think they are being interviewed and respond accordingly.
I'm based in thames valley, but have recently traded my shiney CID trousers for uniformed stripes.
Mr MC why are you surprised that coppers have advised the OP to get legal advice?
I'm a Tier 3 Advanced Suspect interviewer - I'm with crankboy - the pre-interview disclosure that you mention without a brief being present would be considered highly irregular in my force. I see numerous pitfalls there?? I've done written and taped disclosures for a range of offences up to and including murder.
Mr MC - I'm really surprised by your comments. Disclosure is part of a transparent fair interview process. Obviously there maybe things that you keep back to test the evidence. Good interaction with the legal rep can help things along. I think I'd enjoy a pint down the pub too chew this over as well!
MC posting now! Very interesting discussion Deluded as Mr MC is Tier 3 trained as well and that is what is taught in our force re: disclosure and that is what is widely practiced, having also interviewed for a variety of offences up to and including murder! You can still have good interaction with the legal rep but the point is the DP has time to read the disclosure themselves, legal rep will get identical copy on arrival.
Anyway back to OP, did you go? what was the result?
Reckon he's on the run, probably going to be on one of those chavchaser programs that sky / ch5 like so much
LOL @ Piedi!!!
Sorry to be a bore. I phoned the guy up. We did it all over the phone. He just wanted to hear what happened from me.
I advised him that I have no idea what the complainer is on about. That was good enough for the copper and nothing more is to be done.
I'm going for a celebration bike ride today. Phew!
Disappointed. You said you were gone stick it to the filth and no copper would get you alive.
monksie - Member
Sorry to be a bore. I phoned the guy up. We did it all over the phone. He just wanted to hear what happened from me.
I advised him that I have no idea what the complainer is on about. That was good enough for the copper and nothing more is to be done.
I'm going for a celebration bike ride today. Phew!
That's great news 😀
That's rubbish. What are we all supposed to get over excited and worked up about now?
Very selfish of you 😉
I think thats just the copper tipping you the wink that you can go and lynch the grubby scrote and they'll turn a blind eye. Go warm up the baseball bat.
Yeah Stoner I am afraid to say I don't think so!!! Don't be doing that as you will then end up spending a night in the cells, not pleasant.
whats the world coming to when you cant rely on the fuzz to leave the cell door unlocked for a wee while.... 😉
I advised him that I have no idea what the complainer is on about. That was good enough for the copper and nothing more is to be done.
Great work by the cops there, imagine if they applied that to every crime. Did you do it?, Nope! ok thanks for your time. The prisons would be empty
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That was good enough for the copper and nothing more is to be done.
Shame. I was hoping that you would be banged up so I could buy your FA Cup Final ticket from you for a pittance!
Bruneep I think there'll be a bit moer than that! Ie it is one word against the other, no CCTV, no witness etc etc and hence can't progress. Also, goest to show OP that it really wasn't that bad now was it!!! Not all coppers are unreasonable!
Well that was an anti-climax.
At least you can take these off now....
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Yay. glad for you monksie.
Just keep your 'hair on' next time something like this happens.
BOOM!
[b]He's been arrested![/b].
Silly man made a further complaint to the police that I have again threatened him. Supposed to have done it at 3:40pm, Saturday 14th May 2011 (yesterday afternoon).
Sadly for him, corroberated by 13 other people (all of whom were in our mini bus), copius photographic evidence, programme, reserved car park ticket proving beyond any doubt what so ever, [b]I WAS AT WEMBLEY YESTERDAY AFTEROON WATCHING THE FA CUP FINAL![/B]
I can't say much at this point but police are more than happy that I didn't do it on the previously disputed occasion and I absolutely didn't do it yeterday!
Hair is very definitely kept on through out this full sorry saga!
For once (well, quite oftenly actually), in the never a dull day that is my life, something has gone very, very well.
My ride today was cancelled.....I took my wife and daughter out for a massive big Sunday lunch, cinema, shopping trip and I got some £100 road shoes to celebrate!
I've had loads of cuddles from my wife and daughter. I kept saying I hadn't done it. I might have a mental hinderance but I'm not a nutter 🙂
Looks like the idiot is in [b]huge[/b] trouble
Happy, happy, happy!
I love everyone.
Does anybody fancy a massive Peaks mtb or road ride tomorrow? I'm absolutely buzzing.
Xx
brilliant news now go get him with some bombers they will never believe his account/. Escalte to owning with a get out of free jail card
All you need now is for the bloke to be put on the register 🙂
Good news! What junkyard said crossed my mind too. Lying to the police should seem him with s good wrist slapping.
my advice was sarcasm please dont follow it
that is brilliant! this guy sounds like an absolute balloon.
I don't necessarily believe in karma, but...
Good news. Now have a little dance to celebrate.
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So glad this idiot has been arrested. Even better is that something has gone well for you 😀
I'm a woman and in your circumstances I'd have been unable to control myself if the local 'nutter' had made a pass at my young daughter.
Would love to ride with you tomorrow but I'm washing my hair 😉 Real reason is that I really couldn't keep up with you. You speed freak 🙂
Start keeping your ASBO diary (if that's what it is over) as we don't know the full extent and history. But you can understand why the police have to talk to you and have been perfectly reasonable (at least I hope they have) and hope you have had positive experiences. Just dont' antagonise things, just be smug that you have the upper hand. Good luck in solving this nightmare once and for all!
Jon Taylor loving that vid, it's great!
Right now you need to get a whip round arranged and pay someone to kick his head in while you are at work then the jobs a good un.
Not read the whole story but he got off lightly (bloody pervert) I would of done the same possibly even worse.
Thanks everybody. I'm still fizzing about this. Now with some anger mixed in as well to be honest but that will pass.
I have to say in retrospect, the police will not have any complaints from me. They can only act on the evidence they're supplied with and they have been courteous and professional to me through out this nightmare.
I've promised my family that I absolutely wiil not get involved in any more bother, ever (not that I particularly invited this mess).
That dancing dog is mint!
Now I can bask in the glory of the FA cup win.
Thanks again all for the advice and giggles. particularly the servong officers who were kind enough to advise me.
Quick edit: J - I've only just seen your reply. Shurley you mishtake me for somebody else? 🙂
wow - must admit, I thought the worst when this reappeared 😯
Good news