[Closed] Lee Rigby killers trial.

Heh good point junky.

chewkw how would your death penalty avoid the trial?

Or is it to be handed out on the spot by police, Judge Dredd style?

A pre trial with a jury and say a time limit for each side to present their case. Jury decides if there is any doubt over the guilt and whether to proceed to a full trial?

So, like a jury trial, but with an arbitrary limit on how much of your case / evidence you can present? Why is that a good idea?

We could take 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years in this case its rather irrelevant as the outcome will be the same. As i said this will be a very small number of cases per decade never mind year.

Who decides the criteria for your sham trial?

"All men are innocent until proven guilty" surely we all agree on this? Even evil, horrible, murdering scum like those two need a fair trial and a proper defense even if it is just to ensure that everyone gets the same treatment.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

The 2nd time I have quoted Sir Thomas More this week!

If I understand chekw correctly he's proposing militarising the police with a shoot to kill policy for such situations when they reckon it's a good idea.

Well it worked well in NI. 😕

Well it worked well in NI.

Especially for the IRA recruitment drive.

Why is that a good idea?

Who decides the criteria for your sham trial?

All men are innocent until proven guilty"

Junkyard - Please see Sir Thomas More above.

You cannot have different legal systems for different crimes. In principle everyone has to be treated the same.*

*The very rich and privileged who can afford fair better barristers are the exception to this rule.

"All men are innocent until proven guilty" surely we all agree on this? Even evil, horrible, murdering scum like those two need a fair trial and a proper defense even if it is just to ensure that everyone gets the same treatment.

I think you're missing JYs ( the limp wrested lefty 😀 ) point. These people are guilty. They were FILMED doing it. They have admitted guilt. There really is no question over their innocence. I think that is why he suggested that the trial is a waste of time and money, but we all should and do get our day in court.
Bites a. Little that these two get legal aid, but the a the rules.

One thing it won't affect, in the absence of capital punishment, is the cost to the taxpayer to keep them safe from the public (or is it the other way round?)
About 30+K a year (todays cat A prices), X 2, X however many years they get.
2 x 9mm rounds wouldv'e been a bit more cheaper-rer.

You cannot have different legal systems for different crimes. In principle everyone has to be treated the same.*

Do you think the length will affect the outcome?

They do deserve their day[s] in court but, as they have no actual defence, I am just suggesting those days are somewhat shorter. Its not going to be hard to weigh up the evidence of the video, the eyewitness accounts and the confession and work out what happened.

I oppose the death penalty for wrecker is correct I am a limp wristed leftie tree hugger

cynic-al - Member

Heh good point junky.

chewkw how would your death penalty avoid the trial?

Or is it to be handed out on the spot by police, Judge Dredd style?

In this case on the spot by the police. Yes, Judge Dredd style so no big deal really.

Life is too short trying to be whiter than whiter, being anal and by proclaiming the god like law (not much different from the God's law).

Trying the system out then you have forgotten about being human (oops ... should be classed as maggots).

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chewkw are you really this guy?

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They won't last long inside..
Hopefully.

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[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered ]A fitting punishment. [/url]

The should be hung drawn and quartered live on TV.

Using modern medical technology it should be possible to ensure they die in indescribable agony.

I wonder how much MI5 will be scrutinized during the trial:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

I'm also curious as to why this is such a high profile case... when a Muslim Pensioner was killed a couple of weeks prior to this incident in similar circumstance, there was no national media coverage; what could the agenda be?

Using modern medical technology it should be possible to ensure they die in indescribable agony.

Would that be with, or without a fair trial?

Would that be with, or without a fair trial?

Queen Elizabeth I must be rolling in her grave.

wow medieval torture, sounds like you are a fan of extreme sharia law 3dvgirl, whats next on your list?
how about

Many scholars[23][153] claim Shari'a law encourages domestic violence against women, when a husband suspects nushuz (disobedience, disloyalty, rebellion, ill conduct) in his wife

its laughable how the most rightwing posters seem to have more in common with the terrorists than the victim

wow medieval torture, sounds like you are a fan of extreme sharia law 3dvgirl, whats next on your list?

People like me remind me of the fools that appeased Hitler before WW2

3dvgirl, there may be people who think you are filth.

What then?

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3dv girl I really think you should move to Iran or maybe North Korea, your ethics seem to be well matched to their legal systems

3dvgirl, there may be people who think you are filth.

Yes, many do these many of these people think i should die and i think many of them should die,I think Darwin wrote something about it.

I reckon they'd probably benefit most from a bloody good cuddle

[i]They won't last long inside..[/i]

They probably will actually, as the prison service & It's employees have a duty of care to these creatures. They'll be very high profile for a long time & there'll be balls rolling if anything 'untoward' happens to them.

3dv girl I really think you should move to Iran or maybe North Korea, your ethics seem to be well matched to their legal systems

bit o spits fine for me!

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Wow.this went from 0 to 100 pretty quick!

If these two could do what they did to Lee Rigby, theyr'e gonna be a right handful in jail, believe me.

Hey 3dvgirl, how about it, I'm the kind of guy who'd protect you... I swiftly kneecap everyone I meet to give me the upper hand should they ever wrong me... anyhow, while you're down there...

Hey 3dvgirl, how about it, I'm the kind of guy who'd protect you... I swiftly kneecap everyone I meet to give me the upper hand should they ever wrong me... anyhow, while you're down there...

lol..

Only for personal safety you understand... can never be too careful 😉

Hey 3dvgirl, how about it, I'm the kind of guy who'd protect you... I swiftly kneecap everyone I meet to give me the upper hand should they ever wrong me... anyhow, while you're down there...

3dvgirl - Member

A fitting punishment.

The should be hung drawn and quartered live on TV.
Using modern medical technology it should be possible to ensure they die in indescribable agony.

I say this without humour or irony - 3dvgirl are you actually human?

kimbers - Member

chewkw are you really this guy?

Who is that person? I really have no clue who he is. ❓

Should I know who he is?

3dvgirl are you actually human?

People like me remind me of the fools that appeased Hitler before WW2

That's an unusual thing to admit...

Yes, fight fire with fire.

Have you submitted your patent to the fire brigade?

Anyhow back on topic, was it a cleverly devised yet failed attempt by the intelligence services to try and swing public opinion to justify intervention in Syria, thus further increasing western power in the area ready for an invasion of Iran... discuss

That's an unusual thing to admit...

[i]Yes, fight fire with fire.[/i]

Too right, otherwise the one who isn't fighting back, gets burned.

Have you submitted your patent to the fire brigade?

3dvgirl - Member

Yes, fight fire with fire.

Well that has a great record of working positively in the world.

I bet you're a real 'hard knock' in real life - it must be hard to fit in your internet posting around your vigilantism, SAS operations and cage fighting. It's always the really tough people you find on the internet boasting about nastiness and the brutality they would like inflicted on others.

Anyhow back on topic, was it a cleverly devised yet failed attempt by the intelligence services to try and swing public opinion to justify intervention in Syria, thus further increasing western power in the area ready for an invasion of Iran... discuss

There are two choices in life, you can be the one doing the kicking or the one being kicked.

It's always the really tough people you find on the internet boasting about nastiness and the brutality they would like inflicted on others.

I only wish upon them which they wish upon me.

Yes, fight fire with fire.

Too right, otherwise the one who isn't fighting back, gets burned.

Is that what you tell your inmates?

I only wish upon them which they wish upon me