+1 Woppitt
Really not sure how what was said could be construed as sexism. The observation was based on her personality, not on her sex.
[i]you'll end up single and old ( like Debbie Harry)[/i]
What a feminist statement! 😕
What has Bjork got to do with anything?!
MSP asking a "bad" boy is he going to settle down with a good woman is not the same. 'cause his "worth" isn't being measured by his chances of getting a wife
Not sure I agree there. Surely you are more likely to draw that conclusion if you start from a point of view that men are likely to think that about women in the first place? Which is in itself sexist?
If a person is a very strong character then they may be intimidating and off-putting to some others. Whether or not that person is male or female, or whether or not they are seeking a partner is not important, is it?
Unless you are making assumptions as to what the interviewer was really thinking.. which would be prejudice in itself...
Sounds like a fairly stupid question and a bit personal, but I don't think you can simply assume sexist motivations.
I thought she was a man?
I think Holy Moly scotched that rumour conclusively a couple of months ago.
What has Bjork got to do with anything?!
I've wondered that for years.
emsz - MemberMSP asking a "bad" boy is he going to settle down with a good woman is not the same. 'cause his "worth" isn't being measured by his chances of getting a wife ( it's implied that he'll have no trouble) asking a strong woman "do you worry about scaring men" implies if u carry on like this you'll end up single and old ( like Debbie Harry)
Criticise her music, her marketing whatever. but let's leave the sexism out of it!
They are exactly the same, asking either if they are going to change their ways in order to attract a member of the opposite sex and settle into a traditionally prescribed lifestyle.
You are just filtering it through you own sexist perceptions in order to find offence.
What has Bjork got to do with anything?!
Perhaps you didn't read:
Personally, in the "off the wall" stakes with actual talent I prefer...
She probably does frighten men off...mainly because she's wierd.
I don't know many men who would be happy to walk down the streen holding hands with someone dressed like some kind of dominatrix circus clown.
Er I don't think she dresses like that all the time...
Given the choice its Debbie Harry for me, even get the discount down at B and Q on Thursdays, cheap to take out too with the bus pass
Damn sight better looking at 65 than the Gaga person
Er I don't think she dresses like that all the time...
Probably not...but I don't think I would be with my wife if she dressed like that at all.
I would. I love a strong woman and I have an open mind 🙂
You do realise she's a) disguising herself and b) taking the p*ss, don't you?
+1 Woppit. Can I also add another talented [i]nutcase[/i] highly individual character?
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I don't know many men who would be happy to walk down the streen holding hands with someone dressed like some kind of dominatrix circus clown.
There's as many (and arguably more) "unconventional" blokes in this world as there are unconventional women.
I suspect that if you took a straw poll of blokes and asked "Lada Gaga - would you?", you'd get a higher result than you might think.
"Lada Gaga - would you?"
That depends what you're asking...date or one night stand?
I would. I love a strong woman and I have an open mind
If my wife ever starts dressing like Lady Gaga I'll point her in your direction 😉
Or maybe I'll just hide her wierd clothes and carry on as normal.
Gaga can certainly hold a note.
Tis amazing what Autotune can do these days.
I think she has a cool stage personality and a great wardrobe. I certainly wouldn't want my wife looking like that (I would never get her out of the bathroom, never mind down to Tesco to do the weekly shop), but I would love it if she was able to create such magnificent costumes and carry the look off like that.
What has Bjork got to do with anything?!
I'm in total agreement with Woppit on this.
I think there's a huge gulf between the art house persona of Gaga and the rather limp, camp pop that she produces. Bjork on the other hand managed to match her bohemian persona with some quite original and quirky sounds.
I guess that just comes down to personal musical preferences though - not actual ability?
I certainly wouldn't want my wife looking like that (I would never get her out of the bathroom, never mind down to Tesco to do the weekly shop),
Wearing a dress made out of meat to do the shopping in Tesco would certainly create some difficulties at the checkout.
I guess that just comes down to personal musical preferences though - not actual ability?
not really mf, i'm not saying that its good or bad( although my own preference my have flavoured my words ).
i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.
Bjork on the other hand managed to match her bohemian persona with some quite original and quirky sounds.
... which sound great on a really expensive HiFi that has cables pointed in the right direction and special silver psychic baffles suspended from the speaker tweeters...
i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.
You are saying she isn't dressed correctly to do pop music?
i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.
What does music have to do with anything in the ... ummm ... pop music industry?
Wearing a dress made out of meat to do the shopping in Tesco would certainly create some difficulties at the checkout.
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Not as much as it would at the Lentil & Hemp Vegetarian Cafe if she popped in for a fairtrade coffee with soya milk.
This is getting weird
You are saying she isn't dressed correctly to do pop music?
i'm trying to say that the image doesn't match the genre of musical output.
Easy enough.
Lad GaGaGa's music is pretty much just a regurgitation of 20-year-old Madonna material, just with access to a more "look at me being all controversial" attention-seeking dressing up box.
Easy enough.
So what is the correct way of dressing to perform pop music?
No danger of a "Friday GaGa" then?
So what is the correct way of dressing to perform pop music?
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So what is the correct way of dressing to perform pop music?
In a way whereby the image that you portray is not incongruous with the sound that you output.
But I think I've already stated that about 5 times.
Bye.
My god, what a bunch of old men some of you are sounding. I don't particularly care much for her music, but I can see why it is popular and she has certainly carved a niche for herself which has been taken notice of.
So what if she has been influenced by Madonna? Madonna was equally influenced by other artists when she was at the beginning of her career. So what?
At the end of the day she is a young woman who has done remarkably well and is one of the biggest-selling artists around at the moment but some of you can only say she is over-rated rubbish. Well clearly not by her intended audience....
In a way whereby the image that you portray is not incongruous with the sound that you output.But I think I've already stated that about 5 times.
Bye.
Surely the performer decides for themselves how they dress? They are artists expressing themselves and don't have to adhere to rules about how to dress. Your argument is utterly without point.
Surely the performer decides for themselves how they dress? They are artists expressing themselves and don't have to adhere to rules about how to dress.
That's the route to anarchy and chaos.
Influenced by Madonna is one thing but several of her records/performances are almost copyright infringement...
[i]They are exactly the same, asking either if they are going to change their ways in order to attract a member of the opposite sex and settle into a traditionally prescribed lifestyle.[/i]
No they're not because the 'implication' is that as a woman if you don't change you'll end up sad and lonely. No one would ever think that being alone at 65 for a man is a bad thing. Different standards apply
Plus of course that question would never be asked of male artist " do you worry that your behaviour scares women off" because of course we all "know" women love a bad boy! 🙄 when the question of settling down is asked of a man, it's done with a nudge and wink and the implication that all men should aspire to that behaviour and we all know that's not how "nice" girls behave!
because the 'implication'
Which was implied by Debbie Harry, a female, hence the interviewer's question as it clearly referenced her original statement. So was it Debbie Harry that was being sexist?
I would agree with others that she comes across very much as Madonna-esque in so much as the hit singles are generally quite catchy and good pop music. Not particularly ground breaking but that's not a bad thing - not everything has to be ground breaking. Where it appears she is trying to be ground breaking is in her fashion style which is certainly "out there". Given most of it is hugely impractical it is then clearly about publicity and making a statement.
She's not a particularly attractive woman - but who cares about that? The trouble with pop is that it is very image conscious and the truth is she just aint that pretty. Perhaps some of the outrageous dressing and make up is in part her way of deflecting from the fact that she is not that pretty?
The records make her voice sound ok but listening to her live she is quite nasaly and there are definitely off pitch moments. Which suggests perhaps the use of autotune on the records. Again, is that such a problem provided she doesn't get sold as a great singer because she isn't.
Only time will tell how talented she is and whether she develops her writing and pens good songs. At the moment she is just another pop singer with a few catchy songs to her name and a reputation for being wild.
Influenced by Madonna is one thing but several of her records/performances are almost copyright infringement...
And Madonna openly admits she modelled her early incarnations on Marilyn Monroe so what is the problem?
No they're not because the 'implication' is that as a woman if you don't change you'll end up sad and lonely.
I didn't see that at all...
The point about equality is to treat both genders equally. So if you ask a question and everyone else loads it with gender bias on your behalf, what're you supposed to do?
Gender should be invisble.
I like her, cos she puts on a great performance and all her outfits and videos and that are very visually striking.
As for 'munting'; what a stupid thing to say. Cos she don't meet up to certain criteria for conventional 'beauty'. Anyone who calls her 'ugly' needs to examine just how much they've bin brainwashed by the media into thinking in a certain way. And I also think men like Hairychested are proper intimidated by her sexuality too. You like your women docile and submissive cos you're basically insecure and somewhat emasculated...
I think she's well hawt, and would happily take her out for a pint.
And I reckon she'd be up for a kebab after, too:
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Mad as a box of frogs, wears meat for a dress. What's not to like???
And I reckon she'd be up for a kebab after, too:
Or even during. Those hot studio lights and all.
wears meat for a dress
The dress is one thing. The steak plonked on her head for a hat is genius 🙂
