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Post pictures of them in their pink uniforms on social media feeds.
The prospect of being embarassed in public will put them off as it will affect their street cred.
Yes, of course it will.
Meanwhile back in the real world; The polar opposite would happen. They'd be getting worn around the estates as a badge of honour within a week! Because it won't be conflated with homosexuality at all. It will be a signpost to say that you've done 'time' for shanking someone and therefore are not to be messed with
I think if you are desperately insecure about your sexuality you may be seen it as a punishment
otherwise, itll just be a pink jumpsuit
the home office have known for years that cutting police has led to a rise in drug/gang/knife violence
but they still wont acknowledge it in their official strategy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43694062
As to the Ops statement, what would I do if Home sec?
I'd be stopping and searching middle class people falling out of night clubs at 3am on Sat morning. and come down down on them like a shit tonne of bricks. I would hope that a couple of months of shaking down their customers and some months in the nick for posh folk would soon see a downturn in sales of drugs...
TurnerGuy
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Stop pretending it’s all about gangs
Shame the experts say that it is :
If at any point you have an expert saying it's all about gangs it might make the point you are trying to make.
Gangs are part of the problem but not all of it.
Other experts have said that an explosion of middle class drug use is also fuelling it.
Drug supply is kind of a key gang activity. County lines and all that shizzle
If I was Home Sec, I would follow the last few incumbents steer and do **** all about it.
Then I’d lie in public and the news media proclaiming that there are strategies in place “for this sort of thing”
Then I would go on holiday behind my desk and complete 46page expenses claim forms out.
And jump in a Jag to take me to my pile in the Burbs.
HTHs
The key points of the Scottish anti knife programme are that there is no simple solution (you have to take a joined up, multi agency approach) and you have to spend some money.
It's looking like the two 17 years olds involved in the stabbing in Hale are local and from wealthy families. This 'knife' culture is too accepted with teens/the norm.
That's 3 families lives ruined !
I’d be stopping and searching middle class people falling out of night clubs at 3am on Sat morning. and come down down on them like a shit tonne of bricks. I would hope that a couple of months of shaking down their customers and some months in the nick for posh folk would soon see a downturn in sales of drugs…
The trouble with that is that cocaine use in this country is now absolutely endemic. It crosses all class and social barriers. Its fine for Sadiq Khan to bang on about the middle classes doing it at dinner parties (which they do), but what about the gang of builders and plasterers having a post-work pint in the local boozer who are suspiciously in and out of the bogs every 5 minutes? What about the students on their way to a gig who've chipped in for a couple of g's between them? And... And... And...
Why do you think these gangs will kill to protect their share of this market? Because its absolutely HUGE! It represents billions and billions in turnover.
The 'War on Drugs' has compressively failed. It did so decades ago. But nobody is allowed to state this truism.
Until we accept this and start to debate a new approach to the reality we find ourselves with, absolutely nothing will change. It is a total waste of police time and resources that could be far better targeted into education, treatment of addiction and addressing social issues around the drug trade (both use and supply)
We need to grow up, basically, and stop letting drug policy be dictated by hysterical Daily Mail headlines.
Otherwise, all the people above will carry on doing what they're doing, and the gangs will continue to kill each other in the streets for control of the supply
As with any change you have to go back and undo all the things that may have caused it - largely socio-economic problems caused by more inequality, less funding (schools, care), less policing etc,. Austerity is a very big part of this along with greater inequality.
Catching people with knives or increasing penalties is dealing with it when it is too late and although it would make the Daily Mail reader feel better it won't actually resolve the problem.
ok, if you don't like the idea of pink uniforms (it was based on a story of an area that had problems with gangs hanging around on a street corner which happened to have a telephone exchange box - they painted the box pink and suddenly the gang didn't hang around there anymore), then take an idea from my fathers school:
If boys were caught fighting in the schoolyard, they we taken to the gym and put in the ring with gloves on and told to box it out.
By extension, put pairs of the people caught with knifes into a UFC cage and let them fight it out - the survivor gets to come out - would half the number of offenders overnight...
I gather this will be televised live on Sky Sports with opportunities to bet on the outcome?
In Marseille drug gangs stopped using knifes, they now use guns.
It is such a lucrative market.
As Johann Hari states "The War On Drugs creates a War for Drugs"
Currently reading his book: http://chasingthescream.com/
After watching this:
Highly recommended
I gather this will be televised live on Sky Sports with opportunities to bet on the outcome?
proceeds from the viewing rights go pay the losers funeral bills and the rest goes to the families of the original victims.
The families of the fighters get nothing as they should have done a better job raising their kids with decent values/morals.
I know that there are a lot of knives out there already, but a lot of knife crime seems to be carried out with 'kitchen' knives, most of which surely don't need to have a point on the end. Why not persuade the shops to introduce a range of 'kitchen' knives that are rounded at the end like a bread knife? Reduces the availability of 'stabbing' type knives maybe..........................
Yeah, slice them instead of stabbing them.
slice them instead of stabbing them.
As far as I am aware that is why football thugs carried stanley knives, they were prepared to slice somebody up a bit, but not actually stab and kill them..............
I'd ban all red tops from reporting news. Instead, they could print fake stories about stuff that doesn't happen. Might cause less damage.
In a perfect world, somehow hold politicians to election promises for the rest of their life, maybe try and remove some of the abysmal self interest and short term-ism of politicos.
Obviously the ultimate answer is a kind of Utopian society where everyone has fair chance at means to advance if they wish to, but that's the Star Trek future that is just not happening, ever, because we're all too busy being massive holes to each other.
I am now Home Sec (thanks for your support)
I’m done for the day, 2hrs in the orrifice here in Whafty Lofty Towers is enough for me to claim £6000 expenses so I’m just about to call down for my Jag chauffeur to take me home.. I’ll need my police escort obvz.. so you lot get out of my way I want to be home before Flog It comes in the television set.
Fnarrr, fnarrrrrr
Are pink uniforms going to work? Didn't the whole wearing your jeans below your derriere coming from emulating US prisons and them taking your belt away?
I think it is a simple solution in theory, start treating all young people like they are valued, and they will start to value themselves and those around them, instead they are left feeling like they are often stuck in a trap of poverty and made to feel they have little worth. Police and society, often are just left to deal with the aftermath as they don't have the funds to tackle the root cause.
I do not think these knife crime offenders have happy consistent families and want to be part of something. Maybe this could be tackled. I too was scared when I heard the recent deaths were not gang or drug related, just attacks for the hell of it on innocent young people.
Are pink uniforms going to work?
No, in the same way Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona achieved nothing by marching drug addicts through the streets in chains wearing placards identifying them as drug addicts.
Are pink uniforms going to work?
As long as Tory Law and Order policy is to keep the mail readers happy they will consider it has worked. Short of bringing back floggings and hangings there isn't much they could to to make the bitter revenge filled loons happier.
If you are caught with a knife ,it would be reasonable to assume there is an intent to use it. You get a custodial sentence. simple.
Yes we may be sending down people who are effectively guilty of nothing but carrying an offensive weapon but it would only take a few hundred to get sent down before these idiots get the message. You carry a knife you get a year in jail.
Where we would put all these people and what you would do to educate them is another question and no doubt would cost money. But there should be no price put on people's lives especially youngsters.
oh and while I'm at it , turn off all social media, it seems to contribute highly to inciting "arguments" and what people are going to do about it. so no Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, snapchat, YouTube until you're 30 yrs old. After witnessing two teenage girls on the tube going on about someone they were going to "slap up" because of a comment on some sort of media I dread to think what else is going on.
it would only take a few hundred to get sent down before these idiots get the message.
America imprisons millions for drug offenses, some relatively minor, yet drug use, abuse and associated crime increases
After witnessing two teenage girls on the tube going on about someone they were going to “slap up” because of
a comment on some sort of mediaShazza told Lisa what karen said about she did with Jezza. I dread to think what else is going on.
Sounds strangely like growing up before social media
Blimey! We've gone full Daily Telegraph
Where are all these new prisons and prison officers coming from then? And all the police for these stop and searches
On the day that a report is published showing how short prison sentences don't actually work, and if anything are counter productive, as they cut peoples ties with their communities, further alienating them from mainstream society, but providing no opportunity for education or rehabilitation.
We need to address the symptoms, and thats not facebook. Its poverty, gross inequality, lack of opportunity and arcane ineffective drug laws (amongst many, many other things)
And this government has not the slightest intention of addressing any of those issues. Basically, the sum total of **** all is going to be done about this, other than 'The Saj' crossing his fingers and hoping nobody nice and middle class gets caught up in the underclass all killing each other (which he couldn't give a toss about)
If you are caught with a knife ,it would be reasonable to assume there is an intent to use it.
To cut cheese/fruit/missed that its a locking blade on the multitool you have in your camelbak and so on.
To cut cheese/fruit/missed that its a locking blade on the multitool you have in your camelbak and so on.
I think he must have meant have a knife and look like wrong un. They are easy to spot.
Is it cos they is black?
There was a matey on the radio this morning. By his accent I would say he was from "South London" if you "narmean". He was saying that the gangs are not about drugs. Drugs fund their lifestyle but the gangs are about territory (postcodes), "beef" and all sorts of perceived slights where nobody can remember where it all started. I was surprised in that I assumed that drugs were what drove it all, but he was adamant. Radio 4, Today programme this morning, towards the end of the programme. You can listen again.
The pink jump suit idea would, as several people have pointed out, simply make them the "jeans round your arse" of this country.
Nico. I heard that interview and there was some pretty severe cognitive dissonance going on there. If you're involved with a turf war which you maintain is not about drugs, but you then go on to say that, yes, you do supply drugs, and yes, drugs do fund your lifestyle, then its about drugs
It's mixing the 2 things up there, the gang is about a lot more to people, the crime is not all to do with drugs - ie get rid of drugs problem still exists.
The turf war is for everything that is going on there - in years gone by organised crime in plenty of places wanted nothing to do with hard drugs and still were responsible for death and destruction.
Always been turf wars, always will be.
Gangs are a part of society’s structure. Call it Land Grab or Partition if you like..
Drugs, well that’s an income stream innit. Combine that with turf wars and you have effected an economic model of a cartel.. and yet those models are widely used in legitimate business.
The only distinction here is that a few middle class oiks have gotten involved and the WhailingDaily have just found another stick to put the fear of God into Mr&Mrs M&S to keep them in at night.
Stop and search is poor and creates division, gathering intelligence and using it for targetted strikes on those carrying out these crimes is what need to happen.
That all depends on how the intelligence is gathered, the NYPD set up mobile police "outposts" in lets say areas that ethnic minorities lived in, and lit the whole place up with floodlights. The residents felt they were living in a Police state. They also arrested anyone for very minor offences, as it was a means of gathering intelligence.
We need to address the symptoms, and thats not facebook. Its poverty, gross inequality, lack of opportunity and arcane ineffective drug laws (amongst many, many other things)
Yep, this, merely taking the finished product off the end of the crime production line and storing it in a warehouse(Prison) for a little bit doesn't work. Better to go up to the start of the production line and it the stop button before production starts.
The tories simply don't give a **** about the majority of people in this country, they have enough police dotted around them and their interests to keep them safe, the rest of you can be fobbed off with the comfortable lie that they will punish criminals harder and harder, while ignoring the uncomfortable truth that it doesn't work and has never really worked for hundreds of years.
Is there any where that isn’t!
There’s no significant knife crime around here. There is, however, evidence of ‘county line’ activity across this part of the West Country, because access from London is dead easy via the M4.
FWIW, I carry a pocket knife, sometimes three, if you include the blade on my Gerber multitool, in fact I’ve carried a knife of some sort since I was at school, actually used to take one to school, I could sharpen pencils for tech drawing far better than the shonky machine the teacher had on his desk.
The pink jump suit idea would, as several people have pointed out, simply make them the “jeans round your arse” of this country.
yes, but it would be a more pleasant sight than a bunch of 'road men'
Drugs fund their lifestyle but the gangs are about territory (postcodes), “beef” and all sorts of perceived slights where nobody can remember where it all started
Steaks is high!
I reckon a total ban of knives is the way forwards on this. Replace them all with teaspoons.
I still reckon something to do with building up their communities - sports facilities, music studios, etc - where they are basically given apprenticeships and learn the skills to do the building/budget planning/admin, etc, themselves.
Good parenting.....
binners, (and others) I agree lack of social mobility os deplorable.... but do you not think some crime is by nasty or dangerous people, and that sentences need to provide restorative justice for victims?
And how do these people become ‘nasty or dangerous’?
IMHO it’s because they’re excluded and shat on by society from day one, so if you spent your early formative life being excluded and discriminated against, while living in poverty and surrounded by wealth, what would you do?
I’d probably be doing what ‘they’ are doing. Doing whatever it takes to survive when most avenues are well and truly closed to you.
Until we have a government that actually gives a shit about those at the bottom, nothing will change and the government we have at the moment doesn’t give a Flying **** for anyone but the members of their own rich 5% cabal
Get used to this. This is the new ‘normal’. As long as there’s minimal crossover and ‘they’ (the underclass) keep it between themselves, the government will stay on course with their austerity agenda of dismantling the state, and if those at the bottom get knifed to death as a result of that, well.. who cares?
Less of them to have to deal with.
Innit?