I don't disagree @tjagain. But there might be value for someone to try it for a month and see if it e.g. knocks a migraine problem on the head (pun intended) or reduces chronic inflammation.
You'll probably not get scurvy or bowel cancer quite that quickly 🙂
Also TBH I'm forever taking a variety of supplements so I'm hardly the exemplar on sticking to these things to the degree some Youtube guru is going to claim is necessary. I maintain it is interesting and potentially helpful to try different diet approaches though.
Acupuncture – now thats a weird one.
Yup, 14 different meridians where the chi travels through your body? What a load of bollocks!
I have had acupuncture for a multitude of different things over the last 25 years because despite believing that it is complete nonsense I also know that it can and does often work. And work quite spectacularly on occasions.
finbar – where are you getting your vitamin C from?
He already said. Liver.
Raw, I'm assuming 🙂
Do0es liver contain vit C? I didn't think it does
And work quite spectacularly on occasions.
The placebo effect is so strong, even when you tell patients that it's just placebo, people still report health improvement.
My brother is an uncontrolled epileptic, he tried Keto for a bit, two things happened, he lost a shit tonne of weight (he's not massive anyway) and it didn't really improve his condition, and he told me that if he had to continue with keto, he'd seriously consider ending it all.
The placebo effect is so strong, even when you tell patients that it’s just placebo, people still report health improvement.
Health improvement isn't quite the same as a cure, which is what I had in mind.
But yeah, I don't know of a better way to deliver the placebo effect, if that's what it is, than acupuncture.
Dr John E. Sarno pioneered the mind-body strategy to deal with severe and chronic pain, and quite successfully, but it is far more involved and protracted than a quick acupuncture session.
Good quality grass fed beef is nutrient dense and does contain vitamin C. Not a lot but it does contain it. Ruminant meat is by far the best food for humans. It has everything the body needs bar some extra salt.
Free range eggs, duck or chicken, again are nutritional bombs.
I get that processed ‘red’ meats, sausage, deli etc aren’t great. I’m not advocating these in any way.
One of the ‘tubers I follow, Kent Carnivore, had to have his colon removed. This was after a lifetime of eating a standard western diet. In fact when he first developed stomach issues he was advised to up fibre, green veg, brown rice etc. He had issues for a few years culminating in his colon being removed. Following his op he continued to eat this prescribed ‘healthy’ diet. He had all sorts of problems, skin flare ups, continued bloating and IBS. Also he suffered chronic depression.
After hearing about Mikhaila Peterson and others he gave carnivore a go. Within a few weeks his skin had cleared, his bloating had gone and after just 2 weeks his depression lifted.
Interestingly because of the bag he was ‘privy’ to what was in it. When eating the fibre, the fibre came out much as it went it. With meat what came out was liquid.
Human gastric juices are incredibly strong. They can break down and process a lot. But a lot of what we eat that is fibrous cannot be digested. It ends up in your colon acting like an abrasive on your insides. Meat however does not. It just turns to liquid, with all the nutrients being absorbed by the body.
Good quality grass fed beef is nutrient dense and does contain vitamin C. Not a lot but it does contain it.
Not enough for a healthy lifestyle. Not nearly enough. Your diet is also missing lots of essential nutrients and is extremely unhealthy
the evidence for fibre in your diet being good for you is unequivocal
stop listening to charletans - where is the proper peer reviewed papers I asked for?
Nickc - the data on epilepsy and keto is strong. Proper research over many years. Its just that it needs to be done under close medical supervision to ensure than the body actually is in ketosis - much harder than folk think
After hearing about Mikhaila Peterson and others he gave carnivore a go.
And who would not listen to a woman who dated Andrew Tate?
Andrew Tate is on the carnivore diet btw. Look how strong and manly and virile he is.
But a lot of what we eat that is fibrous cannot be digested. It ends up in your colon acting like an abrasive on your insides. Meat however does not. It just turns to liquid, with all the nutrients being absorbed by the body
Of all the things I might read on the internet today, this could be just about the wrongest
and married Jordan Petersons child 🙂
Meat however does not. It just turns to liquid
And right there is your evidence lambchop.......if you are pissing fizzy gravy out of your arse something isn't quite right.
You might be eating beef but you shouldn't be shitting like cattle.
I think the problem with youtubers whose channels specialise in 'a thing' is that their entire source of income is that thing.
There were definitely vegan influencers who continued promoting the health benefits of a vegan diet after they'd been forced to give it up because they literally would have died if they had continued with it.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/rawvana-vegan-youtube-influencers-quit-veganism/
It wouldn't surprise me if carnivore YT had many of the same stories.
While I'm sure both diets can work for some or even many people there is no such thing as a diet that works for everyone or even one that is optimal for everyone.
.if you are pissing fizzy gravy out of your arse something isn’t quite right.
the chap he was referring to had his colon removed so was shitting into a bag on his abdomen. the thing is your colon removes water from your gut contents turning what is liquid in your small intestine into a semi solid. If you have no colon you shit liquid into a bag no matter your diet.
No TJ lambchop's last paragraph wasn't referring to the unfortunate gentleman with the colon issue
Nickc – the data on epilepsy and keto is strong. Proper research over many years. Its just that it needs to be done under close medical supervision
Oh it was, my brother thought keto so unpleasant, he actually preferred the absences and occasional tonic-clonic and eat what he wanted. I understand the study on acupuncture beyond placebo, but when you either expect it'll work, or really want something to work...
Ruminant meat is by far the best food for humans.
Given humans are primates and have a digestive systems designed primarily for a diet of fruit and veg, This seems unlikely. Compare the gut length of humans with any carnivore (lions tigers wolves etc) to see for yourselves
TJ when Kent Carnivore ate fibre, greens, nuts, legumes, brown rice etc they entered the bag almost unchanged. Have you never had peanut shits after a Christmas snack binge? That stuff can rip your ring piece to shreds. Think of what it can do to your innards, even with a slick of gut juice? Carnivore poo may take a bit longer to emerge but there is never any ring sting.
We have been lied to for so long about what is the best diet.
And you are still doing it lambchop, together with your “alternative facts” from You Tubers.
Thats how insoluble fibre works particularlyif you dont chew your food. Our guts are adapted to that and fibre both soluble and insoluble are oriven to have protective effects wheras red meat is proven carcinogeni
Got those peer reviewed articles?
J-R, yes if you mean Carnivore. 6 months strict Carnivore. Before that Keto. Feel fantastic. Lots of positives; arthritic hands which were so sore most days are pretty much pain free. No hay fever this year. I’ve had bad hay fever every summer for most of my life, none this summer. Mental acuity. Just feel so switched on all the time, but when I hit the sack I sleep like a log. No wind or stomach aches at all. Used to get indigestion and hiccups quite often. Burping and farting much reduced. Farts don’t stink either any more. One shit a day or every two days. One wipe and done. Honestly there are no negatives I can tell. Shopping is dead easy too.
I had a friend with uncontrolled epilepsy on keto for a while.
It did really help with his epilepsy and he quickly lost a lot of weight that he also needed to lose, but he just couldn't hack the diet. He was also supplied with bottles of a liquid fat thing he had to drink so much of through the day as it's was as much a very high fat diet as it was very low/zero carb diet,the protein was almost incidental.
Have you never had peanut shits after a Christmas snack binge? That stuff can rip your ring piece to shreds.
No I can't say that I have.
How many peanuts were you eating that they were ripping your ring piece to shreds? And why were you eating so many?
I think we've discussed the neck pain thing before on here Ernie. There's a fair bit of evidence suggesting it's part of the prodrome phase - the initial stage of the attack, but because of this people notice an increase in stiffness and pain prior to the event, and see it as a cause, rather than effect.
see the FDA has now approved Botox as a potentially therapy, which points to some kind of muscular involvement in some people.
As far as I'm aware that not how botox works for migraines. My very vague non scientific understanding is that it works on the nervous system to 'dampen down' the pain signals by affecting the neurotransmitters.
The 35 injections i had were all over my head, only a select few in the neck. Mostly into sites along the nerve that runs along my temples, and some in the forehead.
It worked very well for me, and the only reason I moved to another treatment was that there was insufficient staffing to be able to offer it to me on the necessary 3 month cycle.
OP: have you managed to get a neurologist appointment? I know exactly how you feel, I had periods of total despair, but I'm in a much better place now I've found something that works for me and I can manage myself. I'm down from 15-20 fill blown migraine days to less than 5 some months.
Don't give up!
I did keto during lockdown. I lost nearly 40kg and my cholesterol dropped, not that it was high in the first place.
Yes, it’s difficult, but I found the strict dietary restrictions actually helped me to stick to it.
I kept the weight off for about a year after stopping keto but after my father died I was severely depressed and took to comfort eating so the weight is back and I have really struggled to restart keto, despite knowing it’s the only diet that has ever worked for me.
I am vegan, and a lifelong migraineur. So I am not gonna comment on the keto stuff, but I have something that has helped me.
This will sound weird, but actually works for me and helps a lot with decreasing migraine occurrence and pain severity when it does hit me.
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/green-light-migraine-relief
Green Light for Migraine Relief
Exposure to a narrow band of green light may reduce light sensitivity and headache severity
https://time.com/6225133/green-light-headaches-pain-relief/
“You would think it would be the peak of the green wavelength—absolute green—that would be most effective,” she says. “But what we found for chronic pain was that it’s the lower wavelengths and the higher wavelengths—more towards the ends of the green spectrum—that seem to be helping patients.” That limits people’s options to try this therapy out for themselves, since simply buying any green glasses available in a store does not guarantee the proper wavelength, which can only be tested with a spectrophotometer.
I bought a stage light that produces green light, and I have it as the only light in the evenings. Also if I get an attack, I will darken the room and put on just the green light. It helps me noticeably - but not all people. And its hard to know the exact wavelength of the LEDs - but it seems that the generic stage light I got still works for me.
I also use cannabidiol (100-300 mg) combined with a gram of paracetamol for acute attacks, this combination works much better than other painkillers.
Reducing stress, doing calm, non-strenuous walks in fresh air and getting enough sleep all help. When I am stressed, busy and sleep poorly, I get much worse migraines. Also take care to get enough electrolytes especially when exercising, and get some magnesium supplements.
Massage, acupuncture, chiro, dentistry, optometry, ergonomics of workplace have all been tried or examined.
Physio? Neurology?
I recognise the biggest factor is my life is stressful (because reasons), and that ain’t going to change any time soon. I work too much, and that likewise isn’t going to change.
Why not? If the root cause is stress and overwork, some random diet isn't going to change anything. If you're "absolutely crushed" that makes no sense to me. Take a holiday.
Acupuncture – now thats a weird one.
Agreed (in fact I've agreed with everything TJ has posted here). I'm the biggest of cynics, but I'm acupuncture-curious.
Ruminant meat is by far the best food for humans.
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Given humans are primates and have a digestive systems designed primarily for a diet of fruit and veg, This seems unlikely.
Humans are pretty much nature's apex omnivore, possibly second only to goats. We can generally survive and often thrive on any old shit. Arguments about what we're "designed" to eat are (pardon the pun) mince. We've evolved to eat pretty much anything which isn't toxic.
