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Starmer always sounds like a slightly exasperated headmaster disappointed with his boneheaded sixth formers when he’s explaining how the world works to the braying goons opposite.
[crass]I think she’s a red headed hottie[/crass]
Right, here we go. I was going to report this, as I think (well, I think I think) that it's an example of the ingrained/subconscious misogyny that pervades our society and politics - a woman is far more likely to be judged on how she looks than a man, and people are more likely to pass an opinion of how a woman looks than they would of a man.
But then, I wasn't sure if I was being a bit of a hand-wringer, and I thought that it might be worthy of discussion in itself.
So, do we think comments like that are out of order?
**EDIT - and I see a picture has now been added, in case we didn't know what she looked like. That certainly backs up my initial hunch.
So, do we think comments like that are out of order?
Is the comment relevant to the discussion? If no, then it's not needed.
I would agree IHN, but then most of us judge, and comment, about Bozo and his appearance, admittedly not in a misogynistic way
Name the country where regional accents aren’t associated with intelligence and an ingrained snobbery
Not sure it qualifies as a sane country, but the USA has leaders with a variety of accents.
I would agree IHN, but then most of us judge, and comment, about Bozo and his appearance, admittedly not in a misogynistic way
Phwoarr, look at him! I would, if he'd only brush his hair.
It's crass and unnecessary.
As we enter page 2, and this is now less about PMQs, and more about the person, is it time to rename the thread as “Angela Rayner!” to match the format of the other politicians?
But to the original OP, what actually occurred?
Well, that's two valuable additions to the discussion then.
But to the original OP, what actually occurred?
Think it’s been said a couple of times now, just seems like labour is in a time loop and without a credible opposition we might have boris for years, well until the next Tory coup, Christ even priti could win an election as it stands 😟
I wondered how long it would be before this thread degraded to comments on her appearance. Heavy Sigh.
I'm just constantly flabbergasted that any of the electorate vote Tory, no matter how the other parties perform. Unless the Tory voter is in the top 5% of wealth/privilege, of course, then it makes sense.
Angela Rayner comes across well I think.
Until 10ish years ago ( and due to the scottish situation) I was a lifelong labour supporter never having voted anything else I still want to support labour and want to see a radical progressive government
something about Raynor just puts me right off. I have pondered it and cannot identify what it is. she just sets my teeth on edge I do not loathe her like the Tories of course but I find her highly unlikable.
dunno why.
I really like her. She's a gobby git from Stockport (so am I) but nobodys fool. I grew up there and she reminds me of my female friends from that time. More power to her.
We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute vile… banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian… piece of scum.”
I was annoyed when she was made to apologise for this, I thought that scum was been restrained about the current government and to be fair everything that has come out since she said it has validated what she said.
I really like her. She’s a gobby git from Stockport but nobodys fool. I grew up there and she reminds me of my female friends from that time. More power to her.
The problem is that being gobby doesn't win new votes in the main, it just keeps you popular with those who will vote for you any way, she can't really break away from the momentum / trade union background, even in the big game of politics where you can appear to break away without breaking away, and without that, she and Starmer don't look any closer than they were when they joined together to try and find a solution to keeping the left and centrist elements of labour together.
As for the woman herself, i know not a lot, other than the bio that's online, so yes, it's impressive that after becoming a mother at 16/17 she managed to keep going forward and improving her, and others lot.
They need to step up a bit this year for me, the whole landscape of the world is changing, and it's suiting a tory agenda more than a labour one, Boris i feel will be jettisoned when it's appropriate i feel, which means aiming personally at him all the time is just going to fall flat, there needs to be more than butwhataboutery for them to make real gains.
Surely it's better to have leaders of a political party who appeal to different groups of voters - Starmer will appeal to a certain group of the urban middle class, Rayner more to a Northern working class group which Labour desperately needs to win back. Anyway the topic is about PMQs which is supposed to do what is says on the tin i.e. ask questions of the PM not using it as a platform to announce your policies, and to this end Rayner is an excellent foil to Starmer as the Johnson / Raab don't know how to treat her without being mysoginistic and patronising.
A lot of people will have a negative gut reaction her because she sounds “Northern”… almost as much as they would if she sounded Welsh, or Scottish…
Or from the South of England!
Oh dear big and daft - you do realise I have a northern english accent albeit a fairly posh one
you do realise I have a northern english accent albeit a fairly posh one
'tint right
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A lot of people will have a negative gut reaction her because she sounds “Northern”… almost as much as they would if she sounded Welsh, or Scottish…
I'm quite a Soft Southern shandy and her accent and honest impassioned way of communicating really doesn't put me off at all, we need more of it!
I think regionalism should be seen as increasingly irrelevant, better yet called out when it's spotted. If people really wouldn't vote for a candidate based just on their accent rather than policies then our political system really is broken.
Considering several Northern Constituencies helped a bunch of Etonians/Oxbridge arseholes to the strangest "victory for the working classes" you could imagine a couple of years ago we're living in a very different age in terms of the whole "North/South divide" thing, the inequalities are still there but you can't rely on certain regions remaining Red simply due to traditional voting patterns...
Her barely concealed, simmering hatred of entitled Tory ****s is one of her best qualities IMO, TBH the Blair/Prescott comparison has occured to me before too, I think it's intentional just like in '97 the leader/deputy have roles to play in a GE campaign.
So what we're looking at is the early phases of a strategy to win an election perhaps? And I think Rayner is key to it, SKS is the right person to play the "Statesman" calm, unflappable, able to appear competent and look like PM material to those who are more comfortable with a well spoken chap in a nice suit occupying No.10 (Sexism still ain't dead unfortunately). But Rayner has to keep savaging the Torys for their (many) moral and legal failings, reminding the electorate that they've gone and put a bunch of evil, incompetent bastards in charge, who've lied and stolen from them, but there is now a better option...
I don't see many others on the labour front bench that can play the role she does, and I'm sure the Tory front benchers don't relish facing her when SKS is busy...
Think it’s been said a couple of times now, just seems like labour is in a time loop and without a credible opposition we might have boris for years, well until the next Tory coup, Christ even priti could win an election as it stands
I watched some of PMQ's. The only way someone could watch the performance of Raab and draw conclusions about Raynor is if they've an 'agenda'.
Raab was utterly pathetic - tried to do a distraction as per Johnson's standard approach and failed. Quite frankly if the OP hasn't an 'agenda', then god help us, no wonder the UK is in the state it is in if folk think that Raynor is the problem.
I think it's pretty clear that the OP has an agenda.
@cookeaaa
"I think regionalism should be seen as increasingly irrelevant"
Try living in the north or one of the other countries in the UK and saying that.
ElShalimo
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I think it’s pretty clear that the OP has an agenda.
And again, as stated many times, my agenda is for the hope of a credible opposition, to at least try and make the current government toe the line.
I do apologise that i disagree with your viewpoint though, hence your continual one liners for anyone who thinks differently to your views on politics.
“I think regionalism should be seen as increasingly irrelevant”
Of course it should. But it isn't.
Check the accents of every PM who has won a general election in your lifetime...
I really like her. She’s a gobby git from Stockport (so am I) but nobodys fool. I grew up there and she reminds me of my female friends from that time. More power to her.
Me too. Really like her I mean. Being neither, gobby, a girl, nor from Stockport. Ok a bit gobby. She's all that and also a sophisticated politician with a strong base in the labour party, and whose obviously authentic er authenticity signals she wont blow with the wind. And clearly she can dance rings round the thick poshos opposite.
Some folks don't like her accent? Tough. And trust me genuine Leeds is sooo much worse.
Edit - Misread it!
I love the way she looks at the Tories opposite with pure hatred. I bet she could beat any of them in a fight, too
Classy. Shes awful
I'd give her and SKS a shot at the PM job in an instant. But then I'm a Northerner so I'd do anything to eject the Etonocracy into an active volcano.
It seems some very disturbed people also don't like her
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-60778331
It seems some very disturbed people also don’t like her
What is it with mid-50's working class blokes (see pick of Stuart Kelly, 53), is it as simple as they feel they've failed in life and think it's everyone else's fault or something else?
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What is it with mid-50’s working class blokes (see pick of Stuart Kelly, 53), is it as simple as they feel they’ve failed in life and think it’s everyone else’s fault or something else?
Think it said he has 50 or so convictions, so I’d guess he’s probably not working class, but I could guess what he’s like, and so does the judge by the sounds of it.