Sliding scale, I know D2EA has done some work on it and I'll bet Eliteminers have as well. The real pain probably starts around 30% of demand.
I would guess it was a sledgehammer to crack the nut of cases where there was a really high price, really low demand, but cmdrs could drop hundreds of tons and still get full price.
It's almost impossible to balance an economy for something which is an infinite resource. In reality, even in the event that there was a demand, the price would be buttons. What's 3-5 year complete depreciation on a python, plus fuel, ammo and crew costs. I reckon 1500 Cr/t.
Matt
Can anyone think of a way to transfer money between two different accounts/characters that are both yours? I'm considering setting up a new account so I can dip in and out of exploration when I feel like it whilst still being able to play the rest of the game.
I'm thinking you'd have to get someone to play your new character at the same time as you so you can transfer valuable cargo to them.
Can anyone think of a way to transfer money between two different accounts/characters that are both yours?
Easy if you have a fleet carrier.
Less easy but still doable if you have a helpful friend with a fleet carrier.
Impossible without one.
Easy with carriers.
You buy a valuable commodity, sell it to my carrier for 1000/t on one account.
I sell it to your other account for the same price, who then sells it to a station.
I only charge 5%
Matt
Tritium would be your best bet for a purchasable commodity.
Alternatively, mine on the rich account and then do the carrier thing.
Matt
I might try this. Is it allowed?
Of course, it is implicitly allowed by establishing player markets.
Frontier have tried to restrict 'leg-ups' in the past, but it cannot of escaped anyone that carriers could be used this way.
Matt
That would be fantastic, imagine setting up a new character with a complete beast of a ship for baiting gankers.
I might see about some more mining tonight, cheers for the tip!
I believe that sort of thing is done. Smaller ship, harmless/mostly harmless ranking, high skill PvP pilot!
In some cases they don't even kill the gankers, so that their rank doesn't increase.
Matt
Hahaha even better, take out their friendship drive and leave them with a long walk home or suicide.
Hahaha even better, take out their friendship drive and leave them with a long walk home or suicide.
fun idea but reboot repair will probably get them home, having said that I seem to recall having a damaged FSD, down to maybe 60% and it took quite a few malfunction jumps before I got it to successfully jump, so god knows how many times you'd have to attempt with a 0% drive and reboot/repair.
You can transfer the funds to a new account but still take a fair bit of grind for the engineering for a PVP ship. Got a 2nd account Ive not bothered firing up since I upgraded my PC, dont think I'd bother transferring cash, building up from scratch is one of the things I like about elite (same with X3TC and AP) currently up to a krait phantom, unlocked half of engineers but not maxed them, couple of guardian upgrades I think, no plans to get BIG ships, keep it fun.
BTW molgrips I think the funds thing could be considered a fairly exploit-y thing to do (iirc you were slating exploits a few weeks ago)
Ok so it would be an exploit but not in such a way that it affects the game. Exploration is a side-activity, a diversion, but it takes a huge time commitment and stops you playing the rest of the game.
I wish there were a dedicated explorer ship that can't take any weapons but was equipped with revolutionary new teleportation teleportation technology so you could jump into it and do your exploration them jump back when you're bored.
If exploration was that easy everyone would be doing it.
Easier way would be to take a carrier out to god knows where then just scan everything around. You're never far from your base and only a jump or two away from civilization. Plus all the mining opportunities.
Speaking of @matt_bl thats another 124te dumped which takes me to 190te total. Not bad for a couple of nights work. Went to the spot you suggested, about 35-40km out there wasn't much for lasering but a few cores, 30-35km had sub-surface deposits, usually good enough to fire a couple of drills in. Ran out of limpets so called it a night.
I like to mixed mine, when I'm on my own for the variety of gameplay. Last night I dropped 20km from the hotspot and targeted the other hotspot for a steady direction. I had 150t of limpets and filled the hold 214t probably throwing 40 limpets away. I would say that 214t was 60:25:15 mining:cores:SSD
Thanks for the numbers.
If everyone can let me know what they have on board I will post a summary later.
Prices are not great at the minute!
The current best sell is 815k with a 75t demand!
Second is 792k with 1350t demand
I expect these to change at the tick today, but I would sell at 792.
Matt
@matt_bl My total comes to 1170t. I'm happy to go with your choice of selling price, but a bigger demand could make my day easier 🙂
When does the tick happen, and is that the same across all the BGS?
I'm completely with you on the higher demand, that 1350 would probably mean 200t at a time would get full price.
It is usually around midday I think. It applies to the whole BGS across all platforms. Some of the states last multiple days.
Matt
If exploration was that easy everyone would be doing it.
And why can't they?
Re mining, when are you moving the carrier? I might try and squeeze in another run today before you do.
I think that's an interesting take. The way I see it is that exploration is fairly straightforward in terms of the skill requirement, but in other ways it is really tough and plenty of people can't cope with it.
[Edit] Probably me for instance. My Phantom is completely engineered, but have I set off for a Colonia trip? Not yet.
I was looking to move around 1900 tonight, I am wondering whether to get one last run in and then never laser mine again!
Matt
I realised I had to give mining a rest when all I saw when I tried to get to sleep were spinning asteroids, and hearing "prospector limpit failed" bouncing around in my head 🙂
With exploring I found it was the inability to get back easily that made it both an immersive experience but also frustrating when I just wanted to be back. I solved that with a second account 🙂
Hi Matt, I have a rather pleasing 888tonnes on board, from four trips last weekend. I’m not going to be able to get online for a few days though; would you mind holding my deposit for me? Appreciated.
Also; more than happy to donate a percentage of my take to the carrier upkeep fund; what do you reckon?
@V8ninety no problem at all. I can sell any fraction of the stock I have on board. When you are available give me a shout and I'll move the carrier.
Honestly, you don't need to donate any of your painite. If you ever have any spare tritium, feel free to donate, but don't feel obliged, I am only doing what I would be doing anyway. It's good to get other people to do some of it with!
Matt
Hughes Enterprise in Kunti (yaay, always wanted to visit there) is buying at 897999 with a demand of 1046.
Great work that man!
That must have changed with the tick. Actually listed on INARA as 939k with an 885 demand.
That's gonna be a bit of a pain for people with loads, as more than 100 would probably clip the price. I'm prepared to put in a shift for my cash (Expanse season 2 at the ready!).
I'll log in a move the carrier when I get home from work. If anyone changes their numbers let me know as I'll set up the sell order when the jump is complete.
Matt
I've just noticed on INARA, if you hover over the red demand numbers it tells you the maximum to not affect the price. It suggests 221 for Kunti (885).
That would be great.
Matt
@matt_bl - yes, I just noticed those useful little tips on the red demand numbers the other night. Very helpful.
So, I've just taken my Python and done a quick in and out at Kunti to deposit my load of Painite (123T), I was well remunerated too (939,683cr). </SidJamesMode>
The Moon's Spawn is on her way to Kunti
I have the following on board:
Molgrips: 598 tons
Squirrelking: 190 tons
Crewlie: 1170 tons
V8ninety: 888 tons
I will set up a sell order on the carrier for 1958t at ~5000 Cr, once the carrier is in system. Happy selling and thanks for the mining.
Matt
* jumps in Cutter and heads to Kunti to fill the hold at 5000 a ton
Done, just let me know when you have taken your rocks so i can shut down access.
Thanks
Matt
Best hurry before Dread Pirate Perchy cleans ye out.
Aaaaarrrr!
Be aware there are pirates (is that you Perchy?)out there at Kunti, just was interdicted but on the way back to the carrier so no cargo.
(is that you Perchy?)
Unless they were in an unarmed, bright yellow DBX and threatened to scan you to death if you didn’t hand over 8 tons of booty to completely fill their cargo hold then it probably wasn’t me.
@matt_bl All my stuff is gone and sold. 2 interdictions, one NPC one cmdr. He let me go when he found the hold empty though. 960+M profit, not a bad weeks work! Thanks for setting this up...now how to spend it all 🙂
just was interdicted but on the way back to the carrier so no cargo.
jammy!
That inara tool looks good, must start using inara more.
Just watched crewlie dock his anaconda on the Moon’s Spawn.
Was pretty cool.
Total milk run, only saw 3 other CMDR's in PC world and they seemed very keen not to hang about. 190te sold for 177M+ profit and a Pilots Federation promotion thrown in, not bad for 2 nights basically learning on the job. Think new bulkheads and a bigger power plant are on the cards, this whole shutting stuff down just to keep the air on is rubbish.
He let me go when he found the hold empty though.
See, that I can get on board with, some good honest piracy.
That was good though, would be up for repeat shennanigans/adventures in the void. Reckon there's good mining out there, would be up for some group surveying and mining in future, take a direction each from some random point and report back any good finds. Would be happy to pay for the ride though, fairs fair.
Is it a glitch that says carrier access is open to all btw?
Is it a glitch that says carrier access is open to all btw?
Nope. Was docked there ten minutes ago and could have bought you hard mined painite at a bargain price if I was so minded.
Didn’t though...I’m the galaxy’s shittest pirate.
I was assuming you were included as a group. Hmm. Now there's an exploit, wonder how many chancers there are out there that would dock at every carrier in a high price system in the hope someone hasn't set their permissions right?
Just watched crewlie dock his anaconda on the Moon’s Spawn
Extensive use of super cruise assist and docking computer on view in case you thought any skill was on show.
It was just pretty cool to see a real person that wasn’t trying to kill me.
I left my supercruisecontrol back in Akuntsu to make space, actually missing it far less than I thought I would, still make plenty of noobloops though.
Docking computer? Wassat?
Thanks for enabling that matt. 1.2bn in the bank now, more than I've ever had.
Now I can kit out the Beluga, but not before I find my sensor fragments.
Nope. Was docked there ten minutes ago and could have bought you hard mined painite at a bargain price if I was so minded.
Assumed it was set to squadron - which you're in, aren't you?
Docking computer? Wassat?
It’s what saves you a 200,000 repair bill when you try to squeeze a Cutter through the mail slot.
Assumed it was set to squadron – which you’re in, aren’t you?
Nope. They don’t work cross platform.
Docking computer? Wassat?
I can happily do without supercruise assist, especially cos it slow you down - but I hate docking manually. Takes way longer. I only cancelled auto-launch just now cos I wanted to beat Matt back to the carrier, which I did - nearly rammed him out of the mailslot, but then he got ahead in cruise but I skillfully outbraked him without missing the carrier 😉