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to pay for the pointless and protracted legal battle Grandad is about to lose
I have tried to find what this legal battle actually is, but I cannot find the details. Everywhere seems to suggest it’s still only a possibility. But, since you appear certain he’ll lose, what odds would you offer me?
Imagine what they could manage if they actually applied themselves to doing something useful?
Does that include posting the same pictures, from the same film, ad infinitum?
that attitude seems to be fairly typical amongst Corbynites.
Probably a response to being called racists and extremists for two years. I don’t blame them them. A split is on it’s way I reckon. Great job at unifying the party.
Funny though that it was right wingers who used party issued phones to actively organise against the party’s 2017 election chances and then when exposed they take legal action to win a quick buck, endangering the party’s finances. Yet somehow it’s the fault of the left? It’s a rotten organisation and deserves everything it gets. I’ve already stopped my membership and will be voting green from now on.
Don’t go after whistleblowers. Such a vain and politically damaging decision from the ex-leader.
I have tried to find what this legal battle actually is, but I cannot find the details.
You can’t have looked very hard. It’s been all over the press.
Jennie Formby produces a report on antisemitism that exonerated Jeremy and chums and then defamed and slandered the people - all Labour Party staff - making the accusations.
The Labour party’s lawyers took one look at it and told them that there was no way on earth they could publish that as it was so full of holes and a clear hatchet job that they would be guaranteed to be on the receiving end of multiple lawsuits for slander and defamation.
So they leaked it to the press
Then guess what happened?
This is how interested the Corbynites really are about social justice or whatever. They’re prepared to bankrupt the party as a final act of tantrum-throwing vandalism
Solidarity? Yeah, right
It staggers next that people are so gullible to be taken in by these charlatans
Binners, you failed to answer my questions, because if you had tried to, you'd have made a fool out of yourself. But what fascinates is me your obsessive hatred of Mr. Corbyn. What do you think is the source of that?
Eh? What’s this, now? Therapy?
I dislike Jeremy Corbyn because he has delivered, as predicted, two consecutive Tory election victories, including their present huge majority, and Brexit, which he always wanted anyway.
So his actions have massively damaged the very people the Labour Party is meant to represent.
And now we see that the final act of his disastrous ‘leadership’ is to potentially bankrupt the party. Something that he is clearly totally unapologetic about, narcissistic ego-maniac that he is
Of course, him and his millionaire Marxist mates will all be fine, won’t they? While the party is left to pay out millions to the people he slandered.
And they will continue to do all in their power to deliver permanent Tory government. About the only thing they’ve actually been any good at.
Self-serving charlatans, the lot of them. It staggers me that some people still can’t or won’t see through them
The Labour Party was unelectable under Corbyn. Now it isn't.
Jezza doesn't like it.
Boo f***ing hoo.
If there hadn't been a Michael Foot tribute act (but a sort of grotesque cabaret version) in charge for 2016-2020 we might have stood a chance of avoiding the Brexit catastrophe.
Do the people you are supposed to represent a favour, Grandpa, and **** off quietly. There's a good lad.
Dear Jezza. You lost. Twice. Please go away.
Your performance in this current debacle will only confirm in the minds of those who didn't vote for you, why they didn't vote for you.
It's not as if you're not even trying to defend yourself from the charge of antisemitism any more. It's some other 'principle' your trying to stand up for and nobody can quite work out what it is.
corbyn as leader? £3 to vote was one of the key determinants.
Another...'he would not even have been a candidate in the first place if it hadn't been for the generosity of some of his fellow MPs.
Under the contest's rules, he needed the support of 35 MPs - 20% of the parliamentary party - to be nominated and to get onto the ballot paper. This looked unlikely as he hovered around the 30 mark close to the deadline in mid-June.
Yet, he managed to get over the threshold with minutes to spare. The reason he did so was that a number of MPs - including some with diametrically opposed views - "lent" him their votes. At the time, they argued Labour needed the widest possible debate after its election defeat and it would be wrong if the left of the party was excluded.
Those MPs who helped Mr Corbyn over the line were memorably derided by John McTernan, ex-adviser to Tony Blair, as "morons who need to have their heads felt". One of them, former acting party leader Margaret Beckett, ruefully owned up to being a "moron".
McTernan was so right.
The labour party, unwittingly, provided the platform for corbyn.
Now, under a new leader, we're seeing a clearing out of the invasive knotweed which has been suffocating the party for years.
Corbyn failed to prove either leadership or direction.
Any mildly critical analysis of the culture he enabled would clearly say...we're going in the wrong direction.
Formby, murphy, milne, lansman, mccluskey are now nothing more than voices in the wind; corbyn's election as leader was the great leap backward - not his take on Mao's great leap forward.
Jezza - you were nothing more than a distraction and an irrelevance.
When Corbyn was elected as leader I was in full support o that and it changed the party to the right direction politically. However, it was soon very clear that he was a useless leader and was to become a liability - he and those around him knew that too but did nothing about it and carried on blindly. The fact he lost to May should have been the final straw and couldn't have been clearer to anyone looking at it objectively.
That is the reason I dislike what he and his supporters have done.
Eh? What’s this, now? Therapy?
Trying to understand the hatred. It genuinely baffles me. The right-wing called us "Corybnites" and "Marxists", but most of the people I know who supported Corbyn are just teachers, nurses, social workers etc., who felt like the country was going the wrong way and didn't like it.
I dislike Jeremy Corbyn because he has delivered, as predicted, two consecutive Tory election victories, including their present huge majority, and Brexit, which he always wanted anyway.
This is what baffles me most - the responsibility for that surly lies with those who voted Tory? By that same logic, do you blame the police for criminals?
So his actions have massively damaged the very people the Labour Party is meant to represent.
Which actions are they? I'm genuinely interested. Corbyn got a bigger share of the popular vote than any other leader since the post-war period. Under Corbyn, the opposition forced more defeats and U-turns on a Tory government in history. The membership of the Labour party grew to be the biggest in Europe. How do you square that with your belief system?
And now we see that the final act of his disastrous ‘leadership’ is to potentially bankrupt the party. Something that he is clearly totally unapologetic about, narcissistic ego-maniac that he is
How do you know he's "narcissistic ego-maniac"? Have you ever met him? Where do you get that information from?
Of course, him and his millionaire Marxist mates will all be fine, won’t they? While the party is left to pay out millions to the people he slandered.
Which millionaire "marxist" mates would they be? Trying to portray Corbyn as part of the monied elite is ludicrous, but entirely consonant with the current level our "world beating" political debate.
And they will continue to do all in their power to deliver permanent Tory government. About the only thing they’ve actually been any good at.
Blair himself said he'd rather see the Tories gain power than a socialist government under Mr. Corbyn. You seem to have a very selective memory Binners. Do you not remember 1/3rd of the party openly revolving at the most critical of times? How about Israeli lobbying to undermine the opposition?
Do you even recognise the unprecedented defamation campaign in the media? Below is a link - I don't think anyone would gain power in this country with such a rigorous defamation campaign. Below is a video - what do you think of it?
Self-serving charlatans, the lot of them. It staggers me that some people still can’t or won’t see through them
Can you highlight with some evidence how they 'served themselves'? Did they come away significantly wealthier? Corbyn for a start had a clean history with parliamentary expenses. What are you trying to say here?
Which millionaire “marxist” mates would they be?
I'll start you off...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Murray_(trade_unionist)
https://www.ft.com/content/dc552842-5289-11ea-8841-482eed0038b1
Feel free to check out anyone related to this group of individuals...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_Left
The only ones who seem to have come away wealthier
Juicy pre-election contracts for the ‘top team’ only…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angry-labour-staff-could-strike-21113773
Feel free to do your own research about Len “man of the people” McCluskey’s rewards.
took their thirty pieces of silver
That's a pretty loud dog whistle you have there.
That’s a pretty loud dog whistle you have there.
More a "I don't get it" foghorn
Sure, must be on about something other than the cases he is commenting on. Makes sense. To someone who just wants to believe that is.
Quite possibly, but in order to be successful in a libel action, the plaintiffs would have to prove that he was referring specifically to them rather than generally to a pattern of adverse reporting on the topic, and that the words themselves were defamatory. I'm not sure either is possible, for the reasons I gave above. Saying that a report is wrong because the journalist is a liar and a shill is defamatory. Saying that a report is wrong and liable to mislead the reader is not.
The initial action against Labour was justified. This secondary action against Corbyn looks like another thing altogether.
And I say that as someone who thinks Corbyn was a bloody disastrous leader for Labour, failing both them and the country at a time when populist threats have most likely set us back a generation politically and economically.
in order to be successful in a libel action, the plaintiffs would have to prove that he was referring specifically to them
So, he might win the case due to weasel words, yet damage the party because of his obvious intent?
I'm not addressing whether he should have just kept his trap shut. It's pretty obvious he should have. Just whether it constituted defamation. Whoever is advising Ware seemed to come to that conclusion pretty quickly, I find that surprising as it seems the effect would be pretty vexatious, whatever the intent.
"Juicy pre-election contracts for the ‘top team’ only…"
I'm not seeing any 'millionaires' there? How much do you think a SPAD should get paid?
I’m not seeing any ‘millionaires’ there?
> sigh <
Look harder.
Just whether it constituted defamation.
I think the intent was very clear, but I have no idea if it would be judged so in the legal system. I’d rather we didn’t have to find out.
By pre election you mean a full year before the election. & at a bang average rate for a spad.
& so much hate for millionaires surely some of the posters on here have a million in assets?
How much do you think a SPAD should get paid?
at a bang average rate for a spad.
The rate wasn’t relevant… only giving time limited contracts to ‘lesser’ staff, while giving these few gold plated long term contracts, and the chance of a payoff if removed post election, was the point.
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Jeremy Corbyn got me voting Labour with his left wing policies… but his reliance on ‘millionaire marxists’ Andrew Murray and Seamus Milne, made me wary of what that team would do in no10 beyond the stated policies… (I still voted Labour though)… it takes not a moment of contemplation to see how wary anyone not ‘of the Left’ would be voting with us for that team.
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took their thirty pieces of silver
No further explanation about why you chose these particular words, when talking about a settlement with antisemitism whistleblowers, to try and help Labour move on?
No further explanation about why you chose these particular words, when talking about a settlement with antisemitism whistleblowers, to try and help Labour move on?
I could be wrong and apologise in advance if I am but the settlement and apology are for their names appearing in a leaked report.
No further explanation about why you chose these particular words
Instead of piling on with the McCarthyite witch hunt maybe you could address the point that the people who are endangering the finances of the party and stoking further internal division with their money grubbing legal actions are the very same people from the right who were proven to be actively undermining labour's 2017 election campaign. You might also consider that if that tweet from Formby above is correct then the party have actually got nothing to worry about and are settling these claims not for legal reasons, but for some political reason which is as yet unclear, which is exactly what Corbyn said in his statement.
I have no idea what Starmer is up to, but this is transparently the very opposite of 'unifying the party' and I for one won't continue paying a membership to an organisation which is clearly rotten to the core, and has a leadership which appears to be conducting a completely unnecessary and costly witch hunt against it's predecessors and the members who supported them. FFS Corbyn was happy on his allotment and no one had heard a peep from him. This whole fiasco has been created by people who cannot accept victory. They won't be happy until they've gutted the party of everyone they lost to back in 2015. It's vengeance and bullying and nothing else, and I for one hope these f***** never get anywhere near power.
Instead of piling on with the McCarthyite witch hunt
Er… right…
I for one hope these f***** never get anywhere near power
Well, I still want a Labour government.
Well, I still want a Labour government.
If the likes of McNichol et al who are driving this wholly unnecessary and vengeful witch hunt are back at the top of the party then I'll be honest I don't. They're no better than the people who are in government now. And if Starmer allows them back then the same goes for him. He won the leadership with the votes of leftwingers on the promise of drawing a line under the divisions. His only chance is to deliver on that.
Instead of piling on with the McCarthyite witch hunt
The "I don't get it" foghorn is still blaring away
It seems a bit odd that getting vexed about the new classifieds gets you the banhammer yet post anti-Semitic tropes and that's ok......
I could be wrong and apologise in advance if I am but the settlement and apology are for their names appearing in a leaked report.
Why did you choose to use the words “took their thirty pieces of silver“? Just echoing what you’ve heard elsewhere? Why that phrase?
Why that phrase?
Please stop with the looking for stuff that's not there. This routine of branding anyone on the left as a racist is not only tiresome but it's extremely offensive and upsetting to many of us. He almost certainly used that phrase because the labour staffers were proven to have betrayed the party which employed them and now are compounding that betrayal by suing them for a quick buck. Using the phrase '30 pieces of silver' in relaion to acs of betrayal is a common association and doesn't mean you're an anti-semite which is what you're clearly implying.
Daz... Jennie Formby was explicitly told by the party’s lawyers not to publish that hatchet job report as it would result in a load of legal cases.
So she leaked it to the press, which amounts to the same thing, and guess what? It’s resulted in a load of legal cases
So to describe that as a witch hunt and suggest that she’s somehow the victim in all this is absolutely absurd.
She was clearly told not to do something, and exactly what would happen if she did, but she went ahead and did it anyway, with the predicted results.
Binners there are two sides to every story. If Formby says the report was written in accordance with the law then it could/should be tested in court. We all know it won’t be though because it suits the right wing political agenda to settle. And it in no way changes the fact that the people who betrayed the party before are now doing more damage in an effort to enrich themselves and create more division. It’s indefensible. This is Starmers big test. He can stay true to his leadership campaign or he can cave in to the right and probably split the party for good.
This routine of branding anyone on the left as a racist is not only tiresome but it’s extremely offensive and upsetting to many of us. Using the phrase ’30 pieces of silver’ in relaion to acs of betrayal is a common association and doesn’t mean you’re an anti-semite which is what you’re clearly implying.
Really Dazh? You’re defending that? It’s irrelevant to me if the poster is “on the Left” like myself or not… we all need to be far more careful about using/spreading these tropes when talking about antisemitism… there is no excuse. If it was meant or passed on innocently, then the poster can say so. If he genuinely doesn’t see why it is problematic, we can discuss it. If you honestly can’t see why it’s problematic, I’m surprised.
Hmmmmmm.... given that it’s the difference between a couple of hundred grand out-of-court settlement or years in the courts and millions of pounds in legal fees that could potentially bankrupt the whole party, who’s legal judgement should we listen to here?
The qualified and highly respected senior QC and former Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer?
Or the former shop steward who caused this mess by just blatantly ignored the advice of her own Parties senior lawyers, Jennie Formby?
I have to say, it’s a tough call
When you question this anti-Corbyn sentiment, all you get is regurgitated tabloid bile. I still don't get it really. I notice the loudest people are often the shortest in facts.
The right-wing of Labour, having spent the past four years doing everything they can to sabotage electoral success of their own party, now come back on their high horses demanding we forget about it and vote for 'their' candidate?
So what do you alleged Labour 'supporters' say to the millions of us who got involved with this political party to try and make a fairer country, only to see our democratically elected representative trashed in the media, and backstabbed by every opportunity by a bunch of nasty careerists?
And then you have the audacity to blame us for a Tory government. That really is the definition of political gaslighting at its most contemptible. Well done. Great job. Now we're looking down the barrel of a hard-Brexit and another four years of the most dishonest, venal, and mendacious opportunists in the country's political history.
You’re defending that?
Not defending anything. It’s not a phrase I would use but I am saying we should stop reaching for the anti-semitism smears at every fleeting opportunity. It’s extremely offensive and distressing to be smeared as a racist if you’re not one and it’s not something to use casually.
As for the 30 pieces of silver phrase I get that sensitivities are heightened right now but really, if that is now deemed as racist then that’s about 2 billion Christians who are now on the wrong side of the divide.
It’s extremely offensive and distressing to be smeared as a racist if you’re not one and it’s not something to use casually.
Who have I called a racist?
Should I not question the use of that phrase when used in the context it was?
Does being ‘on the left’ mean you can say anything without being called up on it?
So what do you alleged Labour ‘supporters’ say to the millions of us who got involved with this political party to try and make a fairer country
I wasn’t a Labour supporter, I always considered them to the right of my politics. Corbyn got me voting Labour, my politics are closer to his than there are to even where the Labour Party policy moved with him as leader… I’m in favour of unilateral neucleur disarmament for example. I’m not blind to his failings as leader though, or jumping to defend the mess he seems to want to keep rolling on as regards antisemitism within the party he led to abject failure last year. Change is need in the Labour Party… if it can do so without a lurch to the right, it’ll keep the vote of people like me, and hopefully those lost to others parties or not voting can be brought in as well. It’s clear that some people just want to leave with Corbyn, even if the politics of the party stay on the left. It looks like cultism.
only to see our democratically elected representative trashed in the media
Speaking personally, I don’t have any say in how the media attacks Labour leaders.
who’s legal judgement should we listen to here?
A less than ideal situation no doubt, brought about by the actions of people who were working from the inside to undermine the party, and now that they’ve been exposed are using the opportunity to enrich themselves. That’s the real issue here but you don’t seem too bothered by that.
I think some people need to loosen their tinfoil helmets a bit as they appear to be cutting off your circulation
Jeez, even when he's gone he's still producing negative headlines for Labour. At least Kinnock let himself be forgotten.
I think they now fall under the classification of ‘Enemies of the Revolution’. Until they’ve benefited from ‘re-education’ obviously, comrade.
Did Shami mention anything about whitewashing? I need to do an exterior wall and I hear she’s a dab hand
kelvin
SubscriberWhy did you choose to use the words “took their thirty pieces of silver“? Just echoing what you’ve heard elsewhere? Why that phrase?
OK, I've got to say this is the first time I've ever seen this described as an antisemitic trope. Judas was jewish, sure, but it was as a christian convert and apostle of christ that he betrayed him. But it's also well established culturally as a general description of selling out or betraying someone. Not sure if I've ever used it myself but if I do, it'll be because of that- just like in Crime and Punishment.
If you were using it to complain about a dodgy referee, I probably wouldn’t bat an eyelid… but when talking about whistleblowers about antisemitism… why choose those words…?
For the same reason as you chose it to complain about the dodgy referee?
If you are tone deaf, perhaps.