Jeremy Corbyn

Maybe not for the leadership of the Labour Party, who given your present tone of attack all have (relatively) enormous salaries and live in Islington

Have you ever been to Islington? You do know there are two very distinct parts to it.
The Blair, Cameron and co area vs the rest which, frankly, is a tad of a shithole.

Whilst you were looking through Corbyns tweets what did you think about the letter to the Cabinet Secretary which tries to address the call election and drop out of the EU whilst waiting trick?

Sooty – I suspect the noble Brexit voters don’t give much of a **** about Kashmir. I might be wrong though.

I'm sure they don't, but that's not the point I'm making.

The assumption that Brexit is first and foremost in everyone's mind is patently false, regardless of the huge impact it will have.

He wrote a letter

Well, **** me!

And there’s me saying he was useless

And he immediately tweeted (or got somebody else to do it for him) to say that he had

Back to the allotment for another week...

Unless there’s a miners gala in Rotherham...

I assume you know the difference between the "most important" and "the only".

Should politics only reference Brexit to exclusion of all else?

He wrote a letter

You do know how this sort of things work dont you? Start with a letter and then escalate from there. Its not something the cabinet secretary can ignore..
What do you think is going to be the civil service response and the next play?

if you tell me how the Lib Dem’s can realistically stop brexit

Realistically? They can’t. But Labour still won’t get my vote, or millions of others, now that Corbyn has helped us get into the hole that we will be in come the Autumn… yes, not just failed to oppose… helped. We will use our vote elsewhere. Will it stop Brexit? Very unlikely. But will we reward Corbyn for what he as done by making him PM? No. Labour under Corbyn is now all about taking power in the wake of Brexit. Not with my help. I hope that other parties become better represented in parliament, but I know realistically that none of them will become one of the two largest parties. In our seat, as if happens, I hope the LibDems stand aside for the Greens, where my vote will then go. Post Brexit, Labour need to lose the Straight Left team (and Corbyn) it they want to be trusted again.

But that’s what’s happened

Government has ceased to function for anything else other than Brexit

You do realise this is like saying, during the Normandy landings, that there’s a lot of other important stuff going on other than the war?

So, you’d rather not talk me through the inherently contradictory position of expressing concern about Kashmir, while proposing policies that would hugely diminish this countries ability to actually do anything about it?

"hugely diminish" utter bullshit

The response from the Cabinet Secretary will probably be that is is MPs and the Speaker/Clerks/Parly counsel that determine what are the limits of Fixed Parly Act.

But the letter did lead on the evening news and the following breakfast and highlights the potentially undemocratic tactics that Johnson may use

You do realise this is like saying, during the Normandy landings, that there’s a lot of other important stuff going on other than the war?

Yep just like that ROFL

“hugely diminish” utter bullshit

Hmm… not what diplomats (ours and those that work for India) are saying.

Brilliant!

Dominic Cummings is getting ready to tear up the British constitution to push through a no deal Brexit and Jeremy wrote a letter.

And we’re meant to be congratulating him for this are we?

Maybe we could all get together for a rousing rendition of ‘OOOOOOOH JEREMY COOOOORBYN’?

Seems a bit 2017 though, don’t you think?

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If you’re going to do that, can you sort out the alignment of your text, please?

Otherwise, you’re going to really, really upset me!

Actually the prospect of two nuclear armed countries who *ing hate each other going to war over a region of the world they both claim as their own is nothing to worry about. The prospect of millions of deaths and the economic and environmental shock caused by a nuclear exchange on the Indian subcontinent, and the potential for it to drag in other regional powers such as China, Russia and Iran pales into insignificance compared to how much the E.U. might charge us to export British beef and very important issues about fishing rights and subsidies to a few sheep farmers in Wales.

I joke of course but really this highlights the arrogance of the remain argument. Sooty is right, a huge number of people, mostly at the lower end of the income spectrum don’t give a flying * about trade policy, immigration rights and regulatory alignment.

But they do care about Kashmir?

What’s their take on Venezuela?

As an aside, what do you Corbynites, who think that Blair should be on trial for war crimes over Iraq suggest we do about Kashmir?

Will some more Tweets do the trick, do you think?

Maybe a strongly worded letter?

What’s their take on Venezuela?

Yawn. That great - not particularly socialist country that the Daily Mail et al like to "trot" out as great evidence in support of capitalism - which failed under capitalism.

Actually the prospect of two nuclear armed countries who ****ing hate each other going to war over a region of the world they both claim as their own is nothing to worry about.

Sounds like a green wet dream.

Will some more Tweets do the trick, do you think?

Maybe a strongly worded letter?

Let's get tough. The time for talking is over. Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit them hard and hit them fast with a major -- and I mean major -- leaflet campaign, and while they're reeling from that, we'd follow up with a whist drive, a car boot sale, some street theatre and possibly even some benefit concerts. OK? Now, if that's not enough, I'm sorry, it's time for the T-shirts.

It’s the placards they fear more than anything!

Unless we go nuclear...

THE ONLINE PETITION!

Now, if that’s not enough, I’m sorry, it’s time for the T-shirts.

The libdems are being unleashed?

Dominic Cummings is getting ready to tear up the British constitution to push through a no deal Brexit and Jeremy wrote a letter.

So how do you suggest he addresses this ripping up of the constitution?
Lets have a sensible thought through argument from you showing that you actually understand the factors at play.

I just do not get supposed labour supporters who are going to vote for a tory government - cos thats what voting lib dem gets you

Its cutting your nose of to spite your face.

I just do not get supposed labour supporters who are going to vote for a tory government – cos thats what voting lib dem gets you

To
Try
And
Stop
Brexit

There that wasn't so hard, was it

It’s not complicated

I’ll just vote for a party that doesn’t want to **** my kids future up, thanks.

So not the Labour Party then

I’ll just vote for a party that doesn’t want to **** my kids future up, thanks.

So you'll vote Lib Dem, which effectively means voting Tory, as thats what you'll likely get if a whole load of other politically illiterate 'moderates' follow your stunning example of self-abuse.

Yeah, you show those Tories! Punish them for what they've done by effectively voting them back in. I'm sure your kids would forgive you one day.

I just do not get supposed labour supporters who are going to vote for a tory government – cos thats what voting lib dem gets you

Is this based on simple parliamentary mathematics preventing a Labour majority or your argument that voting Lib Dem would bring about some sort of Lib/Tory pact?

Lib dems have ruled out a deal with labour or snp - so that leave tories as their first choice - and ~Swinson is far closer to the tories than to labour. She sits politically where the tories were a few years ago.

As I siad before - its obvious Swinson prefers tories to labour and you guys are cutting your nose off to spite your face voting tory lite to get a tory government.

politically illiterate ‘moderates’

Here comes the kinder, gentler, politics.

Personally, I've haven't supported the Liberals since their shameful association with the Bandbox plot of 1710. Vote Whig, get Tory.

Lib dems have ruled out a deal with labour or snp – so that leave tories as their first choice

That's not really believable.

Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?

Not to mention that having been screwed over by the Tories last time around, they might be a bit wary of them now.

Who are they going to work with then? they have ruled out two of the biggest 3 parties and Swinson will not say that she will not work with the tories.

Why would they do it? ~to get another sniff of power. Johnson will accept a second referendum as the price to be in power

Given that the lib dems will not work with either labour or SNP then its either the tories or nothing - and they will not get enough MPS do to anything without being in coalition

As above - if the numbers stack up that another lib / tory coalition would work then thats what it will be.

You have my offer of a forfeit if I am wrong 😉

Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?

Why would they support any party in favour of Brexit?

If the GE is post-Brexit then their choices are perhaps clearer.

If the election is pre-brexit, then assuming you are anti-brexit then it's a no brainer to vote for labour if you are in a seat where they are the second party. Otherwise all you do is guarantee no deal and Boris Johnson for another 5 years, rather than having the opportunity to stop brexit via a new referendum.

If the election is post-brexit you have the choice of a govt in a no deal scenario driven by the idealouges who created it and want to dismantle the welfare state, or the choice of a govt who will bring in a raft of radical anti-neoliberal policies to redress the balance of the past 40 years.

In both cases it's a simple choice. Jeremy Corbyn with his transformative pro-NHS, pro-Welfare State, pro-investment policies,  or Boris Johnson and his US Wild West tax-haven free for all. There is no 3rd option.

If the election is pre-brexit, then assuming you are anti-brexit then it’s a no brainer to vote for labour

Why would an anti-Brexit voter choose a party in favour of Brexit and which HAS NOT promised a no-Brexit option in any referendum?

That’s not really believable.

Probably worth reading/listening to the original source rather than a very one sided and leading misquote of it.

if you tell me how the Lib Dem’s can realistically stop brexit

They don't have a big "stop Brexit" button like Jeremy apparently has but refuses to use but they can steer the other parties. Much like ukip threatened to take votes and seats from the Tories which is how we arguably got in this mess in the first place. Hopefully a similar threat from an anti Brexit party will drive policy for the others

Libdems are opposed to Brexit so why would they get in bed with the party that is busy implementing it?

If history has taught us anything about the Lib Dems, that gleefully jumped into bed with the Tories previously, its that even core beliefs are expendable if it means a sniff of governmental power. Swinson's voting record speaks for itself.

Not to mention that having been screwed over by the Tories last time around, they might be a bit wary of them now.

You like to think so but the voting records of the few Lib Dems left in Westminster hardly speaks of a party carving their own groove, rather one that has remained fairly loyal to its previous masters.

The Lib Dems in their current form are centre-right neoliberals, and the Conservative Party, outside of the ERG, still contains a fair few centre-right neoliberals. The natural bed fellows of the Lib Dems, given all the evidence they themselves present, are still the Conservatives.

Vote yellow, get blue is as likely now as it was at any point previously. Sadly the politically naive/illiterate folks who have apparently jumped ship from Labour to support the Lib Dems are either too stubborn to admit this or are happy with this prospect.

But you know, Corbyn...mutter mutter...allotment...mutter mutter...Czech spy...mutter mutter...6th formers...mutter mutter...etc.

But you know, Corbyn…mutter mutter…allotment…mutter mutter…Czech spy…mutter mutter…6th formers…mutter mutter…etc.

Which is why I asked the question a few pages back... Is Corbyn so tainted (unfairly or otherwise) that it would be best for the Labour Party for him to step aside?

Is Corbyn so tainted (unfairly or otherwise) that it would be best for the Labour Party for him to step aside?

Shouldn't have been allowed to be anything more than a perpetual back bench protestor, and yet here we are.

He's a liability, he's not a leader, and his commie coterie aren't going to appeal to the swing voters Labour need to actually form a government. He won't step aside though. He'll have to be dragged out.

...commie coterie...

{In the spirit of this thread most prolific posters...}

Lets keep it simple. Which one invents laws to lock up their political opponents?

Were Straight Left democratic socialists, or communists? I’ll happily acknowledge that they got wise and saw the Labour Party as the only possible vehicle to use to actually change things, but, has that really made them democratic socialists, like most of the rest of the Labour movement?

Some background reading for those not familiar with the history of Milne & Murray, as regards Straight Left…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_Left