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[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/8342191.stm ]Jail or no jail?[/url]
no jail. Court has to explain the possible punishments - it's a standard way of doing things. He'll get community service.
Yup - jail time is required
he should go to jail.
That way he'll get a better education than he would at Sheffield Poly 🙂
Think the judge had it about right with his references to the organisers. That apart think about someone peeing on a loved ones grave. I would say this lad has to pay the ferryman fro the journey he chose to take, and I would hope that at some point someone in authority will get to grips with the crass stupidity that goes on at Universities everywhere.
They're just making a show of it so that they don't get accused of being soft and so that he sh@s himself for a while at the prospect of it. I'd be amazed and disappointed if he went to jail. What he did was disrespectful and stupid in the extreme but shouldn't result in a jail term.
Jail for having a wee in public? 🙄
Send him to the front line! Or let some squaddies use him for target practice!
on a war memorialJail for having a wee in public
all the facts....
Outraging public decency is the offence that he's pleaded guilty to.
Jail for having a wee in public?
No, not for having a wee in public, but jail for p*ssing on a war memorial ....... and on the poppy wreath at that 😐
Although jail would make no sense imo.
He needs some time to ponder just why he has the freedom to wander round pissing at will
No Jail as he's probably learnt his lesson. Lengthy community service deffinatley though.
He needs some time to ponder just why he has the freedom to wander round pissing at will
Isn't that the point ................he doesn't have that right 😕
If he was aware of what he was doing jail.If his defence is correct and he was outside of a bottle of whisky, then no jail.Very tasteless, totally disrespectful, but prison? thus meaning he will have his chances of a career,education,which I assume he is at uni to maximise,cut off.
he doesn't have that right
indeed - no right, but the freedom to do it all the same
I'd be very suprised if he's still on his course at that uni*, when i was in Sheffield someone was kicked out of the uni for a similar bout of idiocy...
Why is Jail ever a good idea for no violent offences i will never know? I'm sure some of the daily mail mob will be along to correct me shortly though! 😆
no right, but the freedom to do it all the same
OK, I'll admit it ...... I don't know why he has the freedom to wander round pissing at will, but not the right to do so. What's the answer ?
bloody wet pansy liberals!
[i] Jail for having a wee in public
on a war memorial
all the facts....
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whichever piece of stone one urinates on shouldn't make a difference.
What's the answer ?
Jail him 🙂
Why is Jail ever a good idea for no violent offences i will never know?
is it a good idea for violent offences?
Jail would be a complete waste of time. A good slap, on the other hand...
perhaps not jail but a trip to a field hospital in afganistan to see what the soldiers are currantly facing may help to the ingnorant little shit learn some respect g
no jail, put it in perspective with scrotes who get away with far more dreadful things whether or not they are stoned, pi$$ed or whatever. If he had drunk a bottle of whisky there's no way he could be deemed "responsible" for his acts as he was effectively incapacitated by drink. I reckon the organisers are just as culpable. If it was an organised event they should have some control over/responsibility for the actions of their customers/participants. It is all too easy to condemn but how many of us here have been so pi$$ed that we didn't know what we had done until told in the morning? I know I have. Unless you are entirely innocent then you really have no right to call for his (metaphorical) head. Once when I used to play rugby, I was wandering round town after the annual dinner with a very well respected lawyer who ended up pi$ing in someone's letterbox. He had no idea he had done it until one of our party who was only half pi$$ed told him. It was out of order, disgusting etc but it happens all the time. Over reaction of this sort leads to rank hypocrisy.
whichever piece of stone one urinates on shouldn't make a difference.
I disagree.
I have no problem with someone peeing in public - assuming they make at least some effort to do it discretely and in a location that doesnt inconvenience or cause offence to others - i.e. into a hedge, or a storm drain.
Pissing on a war memorial, church door, school sandpit, the heads of those in the Dress Circle below you is a different matter.
if he had drunk a bottle of whisky there's no way he could be deemed "responsible" for his acts
so he wasn't responsible for drinking a bottle of whisky? - sorry I missed that bit
taking the school sandpit and peoples' heads out of that...as they clearly are different.
why, for instance, is a church door any different to a shop door? Because some people see it as less pissable-on than others?
I think pissing on a shop door is pretty revolting too. Whats wrong with pissing in the gutter under cover of a car?
The general public use the shop doorway as they do a church door.
Its a matter of respect - a war memorial or church door may not have any meaning or significance to you, but it certainly does to others. Yes, most of us have been so p****d that we claim afterwards not to remember what we've done, but much of the time, thats just selective amnesia / embarresment.
[i]I think pissing on a shop door is pretty revolting too.[/i]
oh I agree entirely. Just saying that one door should be no different to another door.
[i]a war memorial or church door may not have any meaning or significance to you, but it certainly does to others[/i]
and one wall or bench or hedge may not have meaning or significance to you, but may to others...and so on. Pissing in public is grim, wherever it is. But the sentence shouldn't vary just because of some arbitrary 'respect' value.
no uplink.... he was responsible for drinking the whisky, he made that choice, but once you become incapacitated by drink you effectively lose the ability to behave responsibly.
barnsleymitch - I do think it was disrespectful, I never said I didn't - you said that, not me. Had he been stone cold sober and pissed on the memorial it would have been different because he chose to, while in full control of his actions. He wasn't, he did something crass and disgusting but are you trying to tell me you have never been so pissed you can't remember what you did?
And I know I spelled embarrassment wrong...
why, for instance, is a church door any different to a shop door?
Its not, but a war memorial is in effect a grave. Regardless of relgious issues, its just not done to piss on one old boy.
Personally, I've always thought a night in the cells followed by cleaning the town centre streets with your toothbrush whilst still hungover the next day is the way forward.
community service.
though the group who organised the event involving going out specifically with the plan of binging themselves into a coma, should be looked at i think?
is a church door any different to a shop door? Because some people see it as less pissable-on than others?
Take cover AndyP, you have just opened a HUGE can of worms there! 😆
The Sheffield Star managed to publish that photo without covering up the offending area - so maybe he's been humiliated enough 😉
My dog keeps pissing on my kitchen floor in the middle of the night, should he go to jail?
slowjo - are you saying that being intoxicated with booze is a valid defence for your actions?
drink driving? - it wasn't my fault I was drunk 😕
Lord Felcham the III - we've got a labrador pup that seems to enjoy a regular kitchen floor piss - I just punch him repeatedly in the face...
War memorial = Jail or National service
slowjo - I never suggested that you'd said it wasnt disrespectful, it was just my opinion, and yes, as I stated previously, of course I've done stuff whilst drunk that I've been embarrassed about later - I just dont buy into the 'I dont remember a thing' excuse.
I think he has already learnt his lesson having your face in a national newspaper to be ridiculed by not just your friends but others as well can not be nice.
Should have shown his little winky though.
Interesting point regarding was he responsible for his actions...
The law says that you must not drink and drive because it affects your decision making ability and reactions. I've always wondered by that token why if you are drunk you are then still deemed to be responsible for your actions.