Is this thread anything at all to do with dogs or is it just another conservative / toff bashing one?
Go on then.. here's Jacob
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Lucky - I don't mind a tory who understands the world - Annabelle Goldie for an example or Kenneth Clarke for another. I detest adn despise people like Rees Mogg who are where they are because of who they are and who have no idea what life is like for most of us.
He took his nanny campaigning with him in Fife FFS and was suprised when folk thought it odd.
He is also a crashing snob and a proven liar
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That's no great surprise tbh.
despise people like Rees Mogg who are where they are because of who they are and who have no idea what life is like for most of us.
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He even had a nanny...
I didn't like Benn much either....
Ken Dodd's Dad's dogs' dead.
Ninfan - the difference is Benn at least had some idea of how normal folk live and tried to help them as you would know if you had read any of his writings
the difference is Benn at least had some idea of how normal folk live and tried to help them as you would know if you had read any of his writings
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For comparison, a farm labourer in the mid 1920s earned £2-3 per week
My point made.
Wow, did Zulu post a photo of a "lefty"?
He did! And one of his most hated too! 😆
How many times has he done that today?
Is it me or did the saviour of the Tory party 😉 just brick it and try and get himself out of the hotseat?
Well, it shows he's not a Pagan (cheers Stormzy) doesn't it.
(Press asks obvious question of devout caolic, gets expected reply)
He is your "kids up chimmneys" sort of bloke.
Exactly what the death throes of the Tory Party need....
Hope he gets elected to party leader...
That "even after rape" headline is a lovely piece of bias. The guy explained why he was opposed to abortion and it was pretty obvious it was abortion under any circumstances.
Its almost as if the Guardian had an agenda to follow.
It did score quite highly on my "Well-durrr-ometer"...(Press asks obvious question of devout caolic, gets expected reply)
Even after rape by a family member FFS
Even after rape by a family member FFS
I'm presuming that being against abortion in [i]all[/i] circumstances doesn't necessarily mean that he's actually advocating inter-familial rape of course.
(Best leave that sort of stuff to the priests...)
He is your "kids up chimmneys" sort of bloke.Exactly what the death throes of the Tory Party need....
Hope he gets elected to party leader...
Careful.
Remember what happened the last time all the opposition to Crowbin jumped on that particular bandwagon. ..
I hate to agree with Ninfan, but (and I'm being Devil's Advocate here) if you're anti abortion, then the circumstances should be pretty immaterial. Two wrongs don't make a right, killing the unborn child doesn't make the other bad thing not happen.
Farron had to resign for being a Christian let's hope this **** gets his arse kicked for it as well.
Worth remembering that abortion has always been a free vote issue in parliament, since it's a matter of conscience.
If Mogg was saying anything along the lines of 'I would ban abortion' then it would be a huge issue, but in this case it's entirely a matter of his own opinion
The question is somewhat from the "when did you stop beating your wife" school of journalism
He speaks for, and appeals to, a huge section of the support of a party that is consistently getting more votes, and more seats, than any other party. Don't bet against him becoming PM after May falls. His consistent support for the kind of Britain that could well become essential after Brexit, if things go the worst kind of wrong, could well leave him well placed to slash and burn to make us "competitive". Don't laugh and dismiss him.
I'm presuming that being against abortion in all circumstances doesn't necessarily mean that he's actually advocating inter-familial rape of course.
He's morally, only one rung above being a rape apologist.
The most Catholic country on the planet outside of the vatican, is the Philippines and even they are changing their minds about this.
kind of Britain that could well become essential after Brexit,
no to gay marriage and no to abortion- in any case including rape, according to him this morning during a tv appearance. Is it essential we become that way?
No, but such socially illiberal values might help him become party leader.
no to gay marriage and no to abortion- in any case including rape, according to him this morning during a tv appearance. Is it essential we become that way?
Interesting, have you got a link to him actually suggesting that he wants the law changed or advocating the banning of either post Brexit?
Or are you just extrapolating that his personal opinions on an issue mean that he is somehow ideologically committed to outlawing them for others?
I reckon that as a (both big C and small c) conservative, his opinion is far more likely that these things are a matter for personal choice rather than the state.
Im not sure his abortion stance would make him more popular.
as a catholic will he ban contraception as well?
We need stronger womb border controls, not less. As the Conservatives keep telling us, there are too many people in the UK.
hmm.. just curious why the word 'essential' was used.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41172426 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41172426[/url]
Source of his comments above. Based on his passed voting record (look it up), its a pretty safe bet he'd support the pushing through of any such horrific legislation were it to occur.
the only big C he is rhymes with hunt, Ninfan.
Interesting, have you got a link to him actually suggesting that he wants the law changed or advocating the banning of either post Brexit
He literally voted against it. There is no 'separation of his personal beliefs and his politics' by the looks of it.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes
Consistently voted against equal gay rights Show votes
0 votes for, 7 votes against, between 2013–2014
Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex Show votes
0 votes for, 6 votes against, in 2014
hmm.. just curious why the word 'essential' was used.
Why "essential"? Because unlike others who seem to be happy with a "no deal" Brexit, he's been honest enough to talk about the rapid, drastic (and my view painful) changes we'll have to make as a country. I dislike his politics, but he would be well placed to do well, and maybe even become PM, in a no deal scenario. [b]Take him seriously. And I mean that as a warning, not as support for him.[/b]
thank you Bails.
And I mean that as a warning, not as support for him.
thank god for that
Take him seriously. And I mean that as a warning, not as support for him.
My thoughts too. Beneath the P.G Woodhouse exterior is somebody quite dangerous.
Look at the mess the last few media friendly affable buffoons have got us in to.
its a pretty safe bet he'd support the pushing through of any such horrific legislation were it to occur.
Wouldn't that require the majority of parliament to agree with him on a matter of concience?
You really don't get this 'democracy' thing, do you?
Well we are certainly moving away from the moderates of the last 20 years (on both sides). Add Brexit to this and the whole thing feels like we are going to end up back in the UK circa. 1966.
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Im not sure his abortion stance would make him more popular.as a catholic will he ban contraception as well?
We need stronger womb border controls, not less. As the Conservatives keep telling us, there are too many people in the UK.
Did you actually watch the clip of just start frothing at the headline?
He very democratically accepts that his personal opinion conflicts with that of others. I don't get any inclination from that clip that he's planning to change anything.
While freedom of choice and freedom of expression are to be protected, I kind of struggle with this. Yes, he's not saying he'd outlaw it, but he is saying that he actively disapproves and voted against it (could have abstained, which would to me have been a 'I'm not for it but I also respect in this age it's not for me to tell others how to behave on this / these matters')
The issue is whether his views being incompatible with a country that mainly doesn't have an issue with these matters, makes him a suitable potential leader for that country. Can he set aside his views on these matters when they are apparently so deeply held? Farron felt he couldn't.
its a pretty safe bet he'd [b]support[/b] the pushing through of any such horrific legislation were it to occur.
Wouldn't that require the majority of parliament to agree with him on a matter of concience?You really don't get this 'democracy' thing, do you?
Err, it's possible to support something without a majority. It might not get through without a majority voting in favour, but someone can still support something without a majority.
Ninfan, thanks for the condescension there. Classy of you. If i may take a leaf out of your book there for a moment, look up the definition of the word 'support' that I actually used, and pay attention to the context of the rest of the statement i made. It seems you chose to ignore the information-and points- Bails supplied regarding his voting record. I am aware of what democracy is and isn't. He would, in all likelyhood, vote for such legislation- [u]if we take a look at his record[/u]-for some evidence. His 'conscience' or whatever martian signals control him would lead him to vote in favour of the end to gay marriage and/or making abortion illegal.
I hate to agree with Ninfan, but (and I'm being Devil's Advocate here) if you're anti abortion, then the circumstances should be pretty immaterial. Two wrongs don't make a right, killing the unborn child doesn't make the other bad thing not happen.
I disagree.. I don't agree with, but can just about understand (misguided IMO) people who don't believe in abortion after consensual sex, as if you're prepared to potentially conceive then you should be prepared for the consequences..
However when conception has been violently forced upon an individual, then I don't understand what kind of person, religious or otherwise, genuinely believes the correct thing to do would be to carry and raise the child..
Be interesting to see if he believes in that bible passage about rapists having to marry the victim and pay her father 2 silver coins as punishment..
