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so why are you still here?
I'm assuming you are still here because you haven't made your point yet?
I'm still here to learn more about middle-class liberal hypocrisy.
Where else am I likely to experience it?
But I think it already has been made (racism is bad in Eastern Europe) so why are you still here?
Nope the point was that people here were so casually dismissive about it/denying it was even a real issue/angry about it even being mentioned because somehow that 'helps Putin' (though no one has explained how).
I dunno, I think some ways of dealing with it are obsessice, unhealthy and inappropriate.
No they're not, they just run to what they know, Many of us are either ex military, are from military families or something equivalent. focusing on this is just returning to information that you can make sense from. You could say that just looking at the plight of folks caught up in this is ghoulish and misery porn.
It's just folks dealing with it in a way that makes sense to them. Is all.
On this thread? I don't think the plight of Nigerian or the Bangladeshi students on the regular news report that I saw (on BBC or Sky I think) looked away from or ignored the fact that both Ukrainian and Polish border guards were pretty openly racist, and were making them wait for no good reason other than the colour of their skin. I was pretty shocked. I think it's one more indignity heaped upon a pyre of tragedy that all refugees are forced to confront. I don't think it was necessarily being ignored on the Ukraine thread, it moves so fast that folks are skim reading it (I know I am) and probably missed mention of it.
Humans in fear or facing desperation can be shit to each other.
I’m assuming you are still here because you haven’t made your point yet?
I did, two or three times.
I’m still here to learn more about middle-class liberal hypocrisy.
You're not learning anything, you might as well go home. You formed an opinion, started to talk about it, but you've flat out ignored every contribution or seen it through the lens of the idea you already formed. This is the definition of not learning, so what's the point? Why not just make up some characters in a notebook and rant at them, that's essentially what you are doing. I'm not even sure what you want to achieve by posting here. Do you want us to say 'oh yeah actually we are racist scum thanks for pointing it out?'
Well that obviously rattled you molgrips. Maybe take your own advice and step away from the thread and calm down? You sound angry.
The thread title is rather misleading, none of us seem to have learnt anything in the last few days.
I’ve learnt that these threads all seem to end up being a virtue signalling competition that has little to with the op’s original topic
Do you want us to say ‘oh yeah actually we are racist scum thanks for pointing it out?’
My personal take on it was more that people didn't want to hear anything bad about anyone Ukrainian because they're the goodies. Which is an attitude I find problematic.
I don't think anyone on the Ukraine thread doesn't understand for a second that they're being fed propaganda from both Ukrainian and Russian sources since the beginning of the invasion. You can see people saying variants on the theme of "Found this, don't know/unsure of source, treat with caution, but is interesting" right from the earliest posts.
I think most folks on this site are aware enough that I don't think anyone is going to be surprised to hear that both Ukrainian and Russians are prepared to or will probably commit atrocities. With the involvement of Azov paramilitaries and Kadyrov's militia and the Wagner group, I don't see how it can't be. It's been 12 days now, and we're getting micro snippets of what's actually going on. I fully expect the future discovery of war-crimes to be horrific.
" I fully expect the future discovery of war-crimes to be horrific."
It's generally the case. Geneva Conventions & Queensberry Rules aren't on everyones radar.
I’m not even sure what you want to achieve by posting here.
Well that obviously rattled you molgrips.
QED.
You sound angry.
Exasperated, mildly irritated. A potentially productive discussion de-railed by bickering and point scoring for no apparent reason. Are you enjoying yourself? I don't think anyone else is. Would you like to score a point? Here, have a point, you can put it on your scoreboard and be proud of it.
Someone please close this thread it's ridiculous.
This thread is more depressing than the ****ing war.
[mod] - This thread was never going to go well due to it’s opening statement. It’s now becoming a pointless thread with some evident attempts at trolling. So it’s being closed. [/mod]
Aside: I thought "Thai massage" was simply a style of massage, not a massage given by someone who is from Thailand? Assuming that a massage parlour is a euphemism for a brothel is pretty offensive to mass-[however you spell the plural] but does it really have racial connotations?