But wont the word Numpty when being substituted for Stupid just be the same thing ? Or worse because it a nice way of saying stupid.
If its stupid, say so, dont beat around the bush causing confusion or blurring the meaning. Unless of course your comments are untrue, or ill founded or irational.
But if someone is stupid, well then they are stupid. Coming up with another word for it wont make them less stupid. Or am I being stupid now ?
Right, Im off now for a nice wet night ride. Some would call me stupid for riding in the dark and wet, but I reckon Im stupid enough to enjoy it.
What you think matters more than what you say.
I disagree, only you actually know what you think, possibly - often people are confused about their own motivations, opinions and beliefs. All anyone else can know is what you say and do, and the conclusions they draw from those
If you take offence to things I say I reckon your stupid to be upset by someone elses point of view. Thats quite different to taking offence to racial discrimination say in the form I encountered while growing up in South Africa and Zim.
I'm thinking more about people unable to defend themselves due to lack capacity or status
But wont the word Numpty when being substituted for Stupid just be the same thing ?
my interpretation of numpty is someone being silly or not using what facilities they have properly. It doesn't seem to imply any particular level of intellect. Imagine Einstein trying to open a door the wrong way 🙂
It's certainly meant to convey some kind of deficiency.
And ? .......... why should "some kind of deficiency" be necessarily bad or unacceptable ?
If I happened to point out that a man was deficient of one leg, despite the fact that two legs is the normal minimum requirement, would that be necessarily a bad or unacceptable thing ?
Of course not.............indeed a one-legged man has a huge advantage over a man with no legs at all.
let's not start insulting amputees...
Insulting ?
You see ............ you automatically assume that having only one leg is a bad thing 😐
And yet you conveniently miss out that this was in response to me being called the "Thought Police".
um, I don't thing being insulted justifies whatever you say back
And incidentally SFB, it's hardly an example of me being " much exercised about racial descriptors " as you claim.
well, as I mentioned before, your position appears, to me at least, to change so capriciously I have a hard time working out what you do mean, or if, indeed, you mean it. Judging by the number of posts you've made you must be exercised about something?
ton: and we all do stupid things simon, dont we...........
say rather illadvised!
I don't thing being insulted justifies whatever you say back
Well that's a given isn't it SFB ? Because as everyone knows, you are a pacifist who doesn't believe in hitting back. Although you clearly relished belittling others ......to the very highest competitive standards.
...your position appears, to me at least, to change so capriciously ...
Well it shows just how daft you are then - doesn't it ?. My position did not change one iota - why don't you check ?
Judging by the number of posts you've made you must be exercised about something?
Out of 261 posts on that thread, how many are mine - a dozen maybe ? You yourself quite possibly posted more than that.
Of course I probably would have been perfectly happy with my first 3 or 4 posts, but some geezer came on rabbiting on about the Prince Charles, the British class system, the Church of England, Diana Spencer, and accused all those who disagreed with him, of being members of Thought Police. Which caused things to drag on a little 🙂
Pillock is a good word:
Noun 1. pillock - a person who is not very bright.
Although you clearly relished belittling others ......to the very highest competitive standards.
yes, but I've stopped.
My position did not change one iota - why don't you check ?
because my attention span is insufficient to the task 🙁 And also because I find your remarks kind of slippery, leaving me wondering what you meant, and, as I said, if you really meant what you appeared to be saying (which is praise of a kind)
You yourself quite possibly posted more than that.
I never claimed I wasn't exercised
because my attention span is insufficient to the task And also because I find your remarks kind of slippery, leaving me wondering what you meant
Well let me help you then. This is what I said in my first post 4 days ago, quote :
[i]"Getting back to 'half-caste', whilst it was once acceptable, I don't think it is anymore[/i]"
Later on I said, quote :
[i]"Half-caste is merely impolite - not even racist imo, and it is a term which I've known some mixed-race people themselves to use."[/i]
And then went on to say in another post, quote :
[i]" IMO 'mixed-race' is fine, but half-caste whilst maybe not that offensive, isn't very nice."[/i]
You find that [i]slippery[/i] and you can't work out what I mean ? .... .. a bit stupid are we ?
You find that slippery and you can't work out what I mean ? .... .. a bit stupid are we ?
no, that's clear enough, but I have a feeling there was a lot more too. Perhaps in future you should just post the edited highlights for us attentionally-deficienters ?
and of course I'm not stupid, but that doesn't remove the sting felt by those who may be less intelligent, and are constantly reminded of the fact by such gibes 🙁
3 - Many people are abused not for being stupid, but for behaving in a stupid way. I quite agree that bollocking someone with mild learning difficulties for being "stupid" is horrible, but doing the same to someone who should be thinking better and isn't is not the same. A huge number of instances of ridiculing for stupidity are of this type - the stupidity being criticised is discretionary denseness.
I reckon.
Spot-on. It's my considered opinion that often really intelligent people behave in a stupid fashion, generally because they seem to have no common sense, leading to actions being carried out that, with foresight, they would never have done. Less intelligent people frequently make up by being smarter, or if you like street-wise, and will pull back from a potentially dangerous or damaging situation because to carry on would be, well, stupid. I can understand this because I'm not very intelligent, by university education standards, (I failed the 11+), but I'm smart enough to know when something or someone is stupid, without it being a reference to an actual level of intelligence. I may not have phrased this very well, because I'm stupid, but I'm intelligent enough to realise it. There are some on this thread who are too intelligent but not smart enough to realise when they're being, well, stupid.
the stupidity being criticised is discretionary denseness.
which is a different thing - but by calling it stupid, idiotic, whatever, how do those denied the luxury of discretionary blunders by their genes feel ? It would be different if there were no other way of expressing the criticism, but you could label it mistaken thinking (which is what it is).
Cockweasels.
sorry footie time missed this completely ..like being back at school when you were off sick this.
I used the term dimmer than I thought in reference to BermBandit who posted that only the thought police objected to the term half -caste in that thread ...despite the thread already containing posts from mixed race people saying they did object to the term. I said you are dimmer than I though you must try harder in response to that post .
In deference to you SFB[ who would have thought you were so sensitive to others feelings ?] I will use the phrase [b]mistaken thinking[/b] from now on but I think it will look a tad pompous and the recipient will be equally unhappy.
I have never called anyone on here Stupid nor been abusive to anyone on here. I dont even think I have ever called anyone dim before[ just checked and no] In fact I usually complain when discussions become abusive and agree STW is generally a bit overly ranty and abusive.
Right off to get my SFB flamed me badge took a while but finally got it.Now if I can only get TJ to give me advice on consumer rights I will have the STW set.
PS only two reference to me and stupid and one is your post SFB this is the other bit
The question was not is everyone who uses the phrase half-caste a racist - in which case the answer is NO some are just ignorant / stupid / uniformed or yet to be caught by the thought police in your view.
Which would seem an OK use of the word , and notaimed atanyone, but I now realise I should have said mistaken thinking 😉
I think this thread is stupid.
[ who would have thought you were so sensitive to others feelings ?]
quite the reverse, I have to mimic empathy through intellection 🙁
one is also disadvantaging people who are stupid and cannot help it
Don't worry simon we know you can't help it too.
What a stupid question!
Sillyoldhector - MemberCockweasels.
I was called a cockweasel and c*kmonkey by barnsleymitch, I think it was justified though.
Dullard, dimwit are both good as well.
Mummy, please make it stop.
Mummy, please make it stop.
the solution is in your hand...
Dullard, dimwit are both good as well.
surely both synonyms for stupid ?
I used the term dimmer than I thought in reference to BermBandit who posted that only the thought police objected to the term half -caste in that thread
What I actually said
Been reading through this thread, and a thought occured to me..... Now then, it was only the one, so leave it right there! ........ Being an old farty and all, I am prone to the odd moment of innocent-PC-lessness, in much the same way that I still think in terms of feet and inches. For that reason, I've had more than my fair share of the sound of sharp sucking in of air through teeth. However, and at long last this is my thought...... I can't ever remember any person to whom those non PC words apply challenging their use, its almost invariably a plain clothes member of the thought Police. Isn't that strange?My reading of that, is that its not so much the words that cause offence, more the meaning behind their use.
To which you replied
you are dimmer than I realised you really must try harder.
Perhaps when no else challenges it they dont see the point as they realise everyone there is a bunch of ignorant f@ckwits, ever considered that as the reason? why not ask your wide array of diverse mates what they think of the terms 1:1 and report back.
For my money a somewhat vitriolic rant from which the rest of the thread then developed. In short apparently I'm not allowed to have that thought, and you again apparently as a self appointed member of the "Thought Police," along with Ernie have immediately resorted to online bullying to overwhelm my absolute right to both have and to express my opinion regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Rather proving my use of the term.
At no point have I said the term half-caste is either right or wrong, merely stating that words themselves are innocent, and that there are much more serious issues, which become overwhelmed by the nit picking about relatively insignificant issues. If I were trying to sideline you, I'd be very happy to push you off to that argument over semantics. Simple enough?
Thats the last post I'm going to make on the subject as I am truly fed up with the ignorant repetition and recycling of a non argument.
You lot are now being stupid. Stop going on and on and enjoy the sunshine while it lasts.
It's raining here and has been for the past few days. Proves how much you know moron. 😆
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which is probably about as insulting as being called dim. You repeat it ad nauseum as if I can know whatyour thoughts are. Once you speak I think itis ok to challenge you and the words you use. again people other than the thought police[whatever this means] have challenged the use of the words.again apparently as a self appointed member of the "Thought Police,"
online bullying
Please report me for this if you think this is the case 🙄 is it not accurate and again at least as offensive as being called dim , perhaps even more so.
At no point have I ever asked you to stop posting, said you cannot think or post on here. Clearly you can speak for yourself and defend your position.We all have free speech.
The whole thread/s are pretty unedifying for all of us and frankly makes us all look like childish pr1cks.T
You clealry have the right to post I clearly have the right to respond.It is called a debate. This however has become childish on both sides shall we both just take a deep breath and get a life? Have we not got more important things to do ?
The whole thread is pretty unedifying for all of us andfrnakly makes us all look like pr1cks.
the truth will out :o)
I'm a bit puzzled by the 'online bullying' thing in this context. I've experienced quite heavy condemnation and many personal insults on this forum, but I've always found it highly amusing and never felt in the least threatened or disadvantaged, perhaps as I don't set great store in the personal opinions of me held by a lot of remote strangers, particularly as the ones I've subsequently met are pleasant or self effacing. Let's not encourage a victim culture here!
Is every thread now essentially about Berm Bandit's paranoia that his opinions are somehow "forbidden" rather than just "daft"? 🙂
I think its all a conspiracy.....
I'll make a note of that.
You checking up on me ? 😯
Just keeping a bit of a log on what you're up to, it's really nothing to worry about.
Worried? Whose worried? I never said I was worried?
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