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100% will not vote Lib Dem due to their stance on EU
So if the Libdems and moderate Labour coalesced under a flag of 'look, we know we voted Brexit and we have done A50 now so we'll see it through, but not in the hard form 2-fingers up red white and blue **** you all Brussels form that the majority of the country didn't actually vote for.......' - would that change their vote?
It's not about what LD or others really want any more, it's about preventing May and her cronies getting carte blanche to get what they want and tear everyone else apart while doing it. If they can't get what they want, better to have something palatable than all volunteer to eat the shit sandwich that's being prepared.
The only potential I can see they have to prevent a Tory majority is to form a coalition (or for moderate Labour MP's to defect to LD or a new centre-left coalition-party). But there are supposedly too many 'differences' for that to happen, yet if they can't set those aside it'll truly be turkeys and Christmas, Labour will be decimated, LD will gain seats but nowhere near enough to affect things, and we get May and her odious cronies for the next 10 years.
This! Most definitely! But the problem is that Corbs and the rest of the Politburo aren't even prepared to compromise and form a coalition with the 90% of their own party who don't agree with them. Choosing instead to endlessly bang on about 'Their Mandate' from the 6th form.
tactical voting is the only option, in the hope that sone heads might get banged together in the event of anything less than a total disaster for labour, and the Lib Dems gaining enough seats to make a difference (neither is even remotely likely IMHO).
in my constituency, I have an odious little misogynistic, EU-hating racist as a (Tory) MP. He has a majority of under 300. The Lib Dems were nowhere. So a vote for the Lib Dems, which would be my first choice by a mile at the moment, would be a complete and utter waste of time, and would just hand a larger majority to the vile little shyster presently occupying the seat
jambalaya - Member
SNP are despised South of the Border.
prawny - Member
Sadly it appears my principles are most represented by the SNP. I don't think they're running for the Cannock Chase seat, but I does help me understand why I want to move to Scotland so badly.
SNP are despised South of the Border.
They might be in the comfortably-off, flag waving, UKIP inclined home counties. In the (far poorer, endlessly neglected, politically voiceless) North of England, there are a hell of a lot of us who survey the shambles of the present labour leadership, and look enviously north of the border at a credible and competent social democratic party.
Debates are poison for incumbants, that's why Blair avoided them.
Or people who have to justify their records.
jambalaya - Member
TV debates are a joke, soundbite poltics at their worst.
Unfortunately there are no other platforms except for piss poor planning leading to ambush where leaders have to go anywhere they don't want to be.
At no point will May have to answer any tough questions which she needs to.
If we are going with landslide is this the party that couldn't get a majority against Brown?
The one that managed a very small majority against Milliband
Or the one that since the last election appears to have alienated a chunk of the population, called the judiciary enemies of the people and strong armed the lords?
That at the very least is a record that should be debated.
So Mrs May why did you or your home sec not condemn the outrageous headlines in the DM? Do you think the Judiciary are important or only when they agree with you?
those "I side with" things are also a joke.
last time I did one of those quizes it suggested BNP and UKIP, on a generally pro-European libertarian ticket, and Green as centre right.
From an esoteric point of view... May's election call is a callous and spiteful move..
I think people were just starting to accept their fate.. Brexit triggered, Trump on the warpath..
I think at the heart of the populace we had just decided to let the meglomaniacs egos steer us through..
It was almost for a second, that in our collective resignation there could be a glimmer of unity..
But it appears that the evil **** had to stir up the devision..
Maybe she's been pressured into this at the brexit negotiation table, but whatever the reason, I cant help feeling that a period of goodwill and restfulness in our society has been cruelly snatched away
I see it as serving two purposes, it'll give her the mandate she needs to sort out the Tory tossers and the rest of the Westminster politico's playing at politics for it's own sake and getting in the way drawing out this awful period of instability.
It should also serves to sort the Labour Party out Corbyn bless him and as much as I like the guy, his integrity etc he is about as useless as the tree huggers in the Green Party that should be all over this opportunity but won't because they are idiots.
Sadly this country needs to be run by a right of centre organisation it was only when Bliar sold the New Labour dream that they were elected and if you don't recognise the need to be in power to get things done the whole effort is pointless.
I don't think it's going to be quite the shoe in she's been told, certainly it should end UKIP but I fear the return of the wishy washys probably at the hands of the nations youf that bother to get up and into the polling booth if they have forgiven the act's of the Godless philandering one.
I watched Newsnight last night as they struggle to overcome the trauma of an actual piece of shock news they were not expecting, had to turn it off I'm bored with it already frankly I'm electioned out.
Sadly it appears my principles are most represented by the SNP. I don't think they're running for the Cannock Chase seat, but I does help me understand why I want to move to Scotland so badly.
Same for me at 93% SNP (not a surprise to me) with Tories at second bottom even lower than UKIP. SNP not standing in New Forest either.
I am also contemplating a move to Scotland but I don't like the cold...
This is a stupid question but when is Trump's State Visit?
Perhaps we've got this wrong, she's not a Machiavellian political genius, she simply doesn't want to be the politician who is strung up from a lamp post for inviting the egit who goosed the queen, which resulted in a backlash which lead to the tory party being consigned to oblivion
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..and i know people will say it's too late for that (coalition / combination party). But you know what...right now I'd vote for an idea, of 'we don't know the exact fine details of every policy to make this work but we are all bought in to a general concept of i/ Brexit but a more reasoned variant; ii/ not May.
Sounds daft? If it doesn't work out we can always have (another) election after all. Unlike Brexit where we happily went into it despite no plan and apparently no ability to reverse. Why not?
from about 2:10 in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08mb5r1
shed flounder badly on TV, all corbyn would have to do is get nick robinson to write his questions
assuming that the electorate believe that duplicity is unattractive in a PM
assuming that the electorate believe that duplicity is unattractive in a PM
You see, that's where I have lost faith in the human race.
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It now appears to be at best forgivable or at worst an asset.
scotroutes - Member
jambalaya - Member
SNP are despised South of the Border.
prawny - Member
Sadly it appears my principles are most represented by the SNP. I don't think they're running for the Cannock Chase seat, but I does help me understand why I want to move to Scotland so badly.
Just for detail, personally I don't think I identify with the SNP, and I've not been a fan, but that's based on the leaders personalities and not the policies. I think that's generally the problem with the whole country, couldnt we just do away with a prime minister/party leader and just have parliament?
I see it as serving two purposes, it'll give her the mandate she needs to sort out the Tory tossers and the rest of the Westminster politico's playing at politics for it's own sake and getting in the way drawing out this awful period of instability.
The local blazers pick the candidates, Chairman May could well end up with more or less troublesome backbenchers than she has now.
Imagine the headline- May to end in June !!!
The only potential I can see they have to prevent a Tory majority is to form a coalition (or for moderate Labour MP's to defect to LD or a new centre-left coalition-party).
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Prawny, Kerley - get in touch with the SNP and offer to stand for them yourself. Bet you'd make the front pages of a few papers at least.
Cameron had an election to shut up his Tories rebels and it went't horribly wrong for him
Sorry if I've missed this but does it mean we will still have an election in 2020 as well? Or does it reset for another 5 years?
Better trails access
TV debates are a joke, soundbite politics at their worst
I would say it depends on how they are conducted. I would sooner have them than not have them.
It's good to see who's had the best media training too 😉
Sorry if I've missed this but does it mean we will still have an election in 2020 as well? Or does it reset for another 5 years?
Resets it for another 5 years - next election will be in 2022, which is 3 years after the expiry of the Article 50 notice.
yeah, i want to vote for the person whose party leader attended the media training course.
HOW TO VOTE TO STOP THE TORIES...........
Bloody hell Kimbers - either you work fast or this is a rehash from the last time....! 😆
FWIW I think the simple answer is that, if the intention is to "stop the Tories" (or at least limit their majority), then just vote Labour.
Which is a terrifying thought (as it will give the hard left loons the sort of legitimacy they really don't deserve.)
My MP is a Corbynista, so whatever vote I cast is wasted....
Not true. For me voting libdem is more likely to reduce the number of Tories by one than voting labour would.
It's about nobbling the other side as well as building your own up.
Well listening to PMQ's its clear how things are going to be for the next couple of months.
When asked to condemn this....
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She refused, and instead championed the freedom of the press. So I think its fair to say that the Mail, Express, Sun et al just got the nod to do what the hell they like. The nastier the better! Its now open season on anyone who refuses to wave their little flag when ordered to do so!
And every question she was asked, she ignored. Same old, same old. She never answers a question. But now she's armed with a raft of derogatory quotes about Corbyn, mostly made by his own MPs, which she now just parrots instead.
She's also implying that the SNP, Labour and the Lib Dems represent an 'Anti-Brexit Coalition'
Well... this is all going to be fun
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My constituency could have been interesting but I think my local tory mp has probably got the right credentials to play the rights cards. A tory safe seat but also a constituency that voted heavily remain. Could have been a LD scalp but the local MP was a staunch and active pro remainer too and has already gone on record locally that voting for him means having remainer feelings represented inside the governing party. The tories would be mad to deselect him as he is the ideal candidate to hold the seat for them.
Pity.
Hark, what's that rumble? It isn't? No, it is... it's the unmistakable sound of migration, as roaming hordes of UKIP voters return to the safety of the fold, back to the protective arms of the vicars daughter.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/media/may-rules-out-tv-debate-because-her-voters-only-like-the-wireless-20170419126280
The Mash sounding more factual than the Mail...
and instead championed the freedom of the press. So I think its fair to say that the Mail, Express, Sun et al just got the nod to do what the hell they like.
It is not for the Prime Minister, or anyone else to dictate what the press should write. That is the point of the free press.
Strangely ( well not that strange actually ) the only successful papers are those of the centre and the right of centre - those to the left only stay alive with a trust fund/rich Russian sugar daddy. Where people have a choice, they choose The Times, Telegraph, Mail - which is why the left hate a free press.
Where people have a choice, they choose The Times, Telegraph, Mail - which is why the left hate a free press.
People hate the mail for it's lies, it's fabrication, the hypocrisy and the offensive content. The readerships are the old and has beens mostly, they will be dead soon.
The times is moving itself into irrelevance and the telegraph does what?
Sometimes it's interesting to see what people think others do, gives an insight really.
What May could have done is said she didn't agree with the Mail or it's lies and incendiary headlines.
You're right cranberry. We shouldn't set any restrictions whatsoever about the press gleefully whipping up xenophobia, petty nationalism, and seeking to silence democratic dissenters as 'Enemies of the People', especially if they use a thinly veiled nod towards violence.
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Strangely ( well not that strange actually ) the only successful papers are those of the centre and the right of centre
and who actually buys newspapers?
People hate the mail for it's lies, it's fabrication, the hypocrisy and the offensive content.
"People"?
It's the best selling newspaper in the UK
Was that really the best photo the Mail could find to use?
Who the hell is it trying to appeal to as an image of power, authority or sanity?
Idiots that may be prone to violence probably.
And the wealthy.
Who the hell is it trying to appeal to as an image of power, authority or sanity?
ninfan I assume
It's the best selling newspaper in the UK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation
2nd to the Sun selling 1.5 million copies or 2.3% of the population
It's a profitable website due to it's click bait approach and lax attitude to the truth.
However it was right in suggesting Mrs Trump is in it for the cash 😉
Strangely ( well not that strange actually ) the only successful papers are those of the centre and the right of centre - those to the left only stay alive with a trust fund/rich Russian sugar daddy. Where people have a choice, they choose The Times, Telegraph, Mail - which is why the left hate a free press.
There are no more left-leaning papers in circulation. The Independent is a bizarre mix of clickbait, propped up by the occasional penetrating insight from the Middle East by their only remaining credible "real" journalists (Fisk and Cockburn). The Guardian has been centrist / liberal for a number of years now.
The real reason why the UK's most popular papers are right / centre right is that the people who still buy newspapers tent to be older and thus more right-leaning.
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Ah, good....must be election time.
The only occasion it's fine and dandy to take the mickey and wish ill of the old.....because you know, they vote Tory and so don't matter or some such bitter nonsense spouted by people who would seem to want the vote restricted to only 16-50 yr olds.....and then only if their views are deemed 'correct' by some unbeknownst arbiter that decides these things.
Weird, heaven forbid these oldies should work and pay tax all their lives only to have some bellend on STW decide their vote shouldn't matter.
FWIW I think the simple answer is that, if the intention is to "stop the Tories" (or at least limit their majority), then just vote Labour.
No.
Not true. For me voting libdem is more likely to reduce the number of Tories by one than voting labour would.
Quite. My position too.
The point of that spreadsheet is to show what is the sensible vote for a given constituency if your aim is to defeat the Tories.
Not true. For me voting libdem is more likely to reduce the number of Tories by one than voting labour would.
Me too, although LibDems went down in 2015 they were way higher than Labour in 2010 so I am feeling they will go back to their 2010 position while Labour fall.
Although I am wasting my time with any vote as the Tory has been there for 20 years and gets around 60% of the vote every time but that's democracy...
Interesting that the Mail's headline is a quote from Lenin.