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[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-fox-hunting-bring-back-ban-repeal-conservative-tories-general-election-rural-vote-a7726506.html ]May likes fox hunting and wants a vote to bring it back.[/url]
Surely cannot be a wise electoral move?
Could she be drumming up investment / donations support from the type of nasty toff who want it back?
I'm not sure molly - bearing in mind the Tories don't need to get anywhere near 50% of the vote and most of the people opposed to fox hunting probably weren't going to vote for them anyway (whilst for a significant proportion of those who might, we still have the "could murder people and still get elected" factor). I have to admit I'm not quite sure how support for Fox hunting breaks down amongst voting demographics, but you have to assume somebody does. Though of course they may have just decided they can get away with anything and it certainly plays to part of their core support.
My reaction to it though was that it seems a good way to spend their time whilst they haven't got anything more important to concentrate on...
Surely cannot be a wise electoral move?
They clearly dont give a shit any more. Its a done deal all sewn up they can say and do what they like.
Why can't we have a sport where a tory is chased and ripped apart by a pack of dogs?
I reckon that would be a vote winner right there, c'mon you other parties, put that in your manifesto.
At a guess - the countryside is pro hunting, towns and cities against it. The countryside however is always going to be Tory, so the current high Tory numbers must therefore come from the towns and cities.
It will turn a fair few people off; question is, enough to make a difference?
Poll reported that Labour gained 8 points after public appearances by Corbyn. And it has been said that this is something (possibly the only thing) he does really well.
Not sure this is over just yet...
Not sure this is over just yet...
unless corbyn can shake at least 30 million hands I think itll be a tall order
hes certainly got more personality than Maybot
Personally I am big supporter of a return of fox hunting. What to do about them in the cities is the real issue.
Tories will not win/lose any seats over this, it will be a free vote anyway. With Labour decimated this will be the best moment to revist. Blair kept deferring the vote again and again, he well knew hunting is important to country areas.
Personally I am big supporter of a return of fox hunting. What to do about them in the cities is the real issue.
Seriously? You think this is about pest control? You cannot be that naieve surely?
It's fine to kill pests where they are a problem, as humanely as possible.
It's NOT fine to organise a big jolly for the sheer pleasure of chasing a terrified animal all over the countryside until it's finally caught and torn to bits by dogs.
You must understand there's a difference between those two things.
Tory supporter and hunt regularly but despise fox hunting and the whole ethos around it.
Many people I know who are Tory supporting country dwellers will be turned off by this and is a complete gaff if she tries to push this through.
May likes fox hunting and wants a vote to bring it back.Surely cannot be a wise electoral move?
What, you think that the types of people who give enough of a toss about banning fox hunting to let it dictate their voting intentions were ever Tory voters?
It's NOT fine to organise a big jolly for the sheer pleasure of chasing a terrified animal all over the countryside until it's finally caught and torn to bits by dogs.
Why not? I want to hear cogent arguments what this is not acceptable, rather than just because you don't like it.
Tory supporter and hunt regularly but despise fox hunting and the whole ethos around it.
Many people I know who are Tory supporting country dwellers will be turned off by this and is a complete gaff if she tries to push this through.
Hunt as in fox hunt but despise the ethos ? Interesting.
May and the Tory leadership are not daft, if they thought this was a vote loser they wouldn't do it.
@molgrips I would have a full on assault / cull of fox numbers including via dog hunting. I have tried to shoot a few myself in years gone by. Horrible animals. Friend just had 8 of his 10 Guinea Fowl killed by a fox. Single break in just killed as many as it could, usual fox behaviour.
Why not? I want to hear cogent arguments what this is not acceptable, rather than just because you don't like it.
Why do you think it is acceptable?
Horrible animals.
Aside from judging animals by human standards, which is stupid - can you not see the difference between shooting something that needs to be culled and tormenting it to death because you enjoy it?
Why do you think it is acceptable?
Probably because lefties don't.
Friend just had 8 of his 10 Guinea Fowl killed by a fox. Single break in just killed as many as it could, usual fox behaviour.
Awww bless. Perhaps he should have provided better security.
Foxes have been in the UK for over 300,000 years. How long have you been here? Perhaps we should set a pack of dogs on you and see how you like it.
usual fox behaviour.
Bloody animals doing what they do. Evil bastards! Someone should tell them to have some bloody consideration for human property rights.
Or your mate could have spent a bit more cash to protect his birds properly.
Or not leave fox food out in the garden all night.
@jambalaya Hunt as in Rough Shoot.
Grew up in SA shooting Jackals on the farm which make foxes look like cuddly toys. When we came back to the UK went out with friends on the local hunt and found it to be completely ineffective against pest control (which foxes are) and was just an equine sport for socialites, wannabe aristocrats and numpty young farmers. Coming from a proper hunting background it was a bit of a culture shock!
Foxes are a nuisance and need culling but saying that fox hunting on horseback is effective is bollocks. Times have changed and I know many landowner who will happily shoot foxes all day long but wont let a hunt anywhere near their farm or estate.
Will say again there will be a backlash from inside the Tory voting block if she goes ahead with this.
Friend just had 8 of his 10 Guinea Fowl killed by a fox. Single break in just killed as many as it could, usual fox behaviour.
Mate of mine runs a chicken farm producing eggs. 15,000 odd free range chickens.
He [i]shoots[/i] foxes on his land. He doesn't employ a few dozen people on horseback to chase a single fox about for hours with a pack of dogs!
Why do you think it is acceptable?
Because we live in a society where we believe in freedom and not banning things just because we don't like them
See buggery, abortion, halal & kosher slaughter and pickled eggs for examples
but saying that fox hunting on horseback is effective is bollocks
Who said that? See the Burns report for details.
usual fox behaviour.
Dunno why but that's just made me lol on the train.
It's quite partridgesque
It's all a distraction anyway, Lynton Crosby? Trying to deflect scrutiny from the Torys and May's personal track record on immigration pledges and the Tory dichotomy of being xenophobic but also wanting a supply of dirt cheap labour...
Actually ninfan, I'm pretty sure buggering foxes is illegal too.
It's all a distraction anyway, Lynton Crosby?
Fair point - it's a dead cat
Because we live in a society where we believe in freedom and not banning things just because we don't like them
I guess that's why we still have cock fighting and bear baiting.
I guess that's why we still have cock fighting and bear baiting.
Only banned because of puritan, then Victorian attitudes to betting
we still have cock fighting
Indeed, mostly on the internet now though. 🙂
Only banned because of [s]Victorian[/s] Regency attitudes to [s]betting[/s] [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruelty_to_Animals_Act_1835 ]Cruelty to Animals[/url]
FIFY
Because we live in a society where we believe in freedom and not banning things just because we don't like them
No we don't.
Try walking naked down the high street, smoking a joint, with a spaniel licking your balls, and you won't get very far. Believe me.
May looked at all the problems facing the UK and decided that leisure time was the most important, that's why it's a vote loser.
May looked at all the problems facing the UK and decided that leisure time was the most important,
Should have announced some more bank holidays, then!
🙂
Although if she had done that, then the usual suspects would be accusing her of stealing policies off the BNP
The last Ipsos Mori poll showed a huge majority still in favour of banning fox-hunting with dogs. Even a majority in rural areas favour it. Around 80+ IIRC.
So, yeah, best of luck overturning something to which over 80% are opposed.
It's gone for now. Attitudes have changed and some of you have been left behind. The phrase "get over it" comes to mind.
If people want to dress like arseholes and have jolly japes around the countryside on their horses, then there are plenty of ways to do it legally. And if they'd like to daub their children in blood, they'll just have to use some fake stuff. The training staff at Harlequins can point them in the direction of suppliers.
@molgrips I do appreciate the arguments against and the image issues. How about a foot hunt in Yorkshire ?
It will be a free vote so MPs can decide how they wish to vote.
Image issues?
Upper class twits prancing round the countryside like dicks. That's actually what they think people are bothered about, because in their heads what they do is perfectly acceptable, so it must obviously be driven by something else other than logic and compassion.
You do realise its a precursor? They're just softening everyone up for the introduction of peasant-hunting?
The red coats, horses and hounds, horns echoing, rampaging through council estates, picking off the Greggs munching inhabitants, carrying off their huge widescreen TV's as trophies, as they burn their benefits books, and sell off their council house to a private landlord fellow MP for twenty quid. Or demolishing them if they're in London, and immediately selling off the land to an offshore hedge fund, with the flats already sold to investors in Dubai.
The streets will run gold, with punctured Stella cans washing over the tracksuits of the dead
Personally I am big supporter of a return of fox hunting. What to do about them in the cities is the real issue.
What? Of all the problems we have foxes in the cities is the big one? So we'll hunt them on horseback with a pack of hounds up and down the high street?
You really have lost it this time.
As for ninfan, either a troll or a ****. I have my own opinion on that.
Anyway, getting away from things like fox-hunting...
A few dodgy communications from the Tories this week.
Firstly a email signed by Boris Johnson that said "Yesterday a new French president claimed a strong negotiating position on Brexit as a result of his election win."
Macron didn't mention Brexit once in his Louvre speech. I expect "claimed" to be interpreted quite differently retrospectively. But I wonder what BoJo wanted readers to understand by what he said in the begging email for donations.
Tory election leaflets are warning voters that they have a small window of time in which to throw their support behind Mummy and her Brexit stooges "while EU Leaders agree their position..." (I paraphrase there...can't remember the exact words.) Funny that, didn't the Leaders Council agree their stance on April 29th? Oh no voters, what we need is a big majority, because that'll scare the leaders into softening their stance, upon which they're still deciding. 😆
I smell dead cats all over the place.
Because we live in a society where we believe in freedom and not banning things just because we don't like them
Given you're the guy who has trouble differentiating between consensual sexual activity and sexual assault, I'm glad we ban certain things.
Fox hunting was banned because it was wrong 20 years ago - what's changed to warrant bringing it back?
F all as far as I know.
Where's the evidence that it needs brining back?
Show me that & then maybe.....MAYBE....we can have a discussion on it...
Arrogant Tory bollox is what it is!
It will be a free vote so MPs can decide how they wish to vote.
will they represent the people because their is massive popularity for a ban?
TBH its not a big issue unless you are the sort of person who enjoys that sort of thing and they are still the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible
What to do about them in the cities is the real issue.
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You really do live in a dream..
If you support fox hunting then you are the absolute scum of the earth and I genuinely wish you ill. Absolute disgrace. 👿