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[quote=molgrips said]Wonder why Corbs backed the election? Perhaps he's had enough and needs a way out?
Gives him a chance to make his case for Labour to assume power. Why wouldn't he want to do that ?
Because he genuinely thinks that people will vote for him?
better to find out sooner than later, someone else then has a go for the next 5 years. Still not sure who that someone else is though.
Wonder why Corbs backed the election? Perhaps he's had enough and needs a way out?
Becasue he would have made the Labour Party an even bigger laughing stock if he'd blocked it. He'd have been saying to the country, we are (I am) crap and know we can't win so we'd better stay in opposition.
I did see a tweet that suggested the selected date was a tactical attack on Corbyn because June is the busiest time on the allotment. 😆
Ah but Corbyn will have all of June from the 9th onwards free 🙂
It's about the only kind of plotting that JC should be allowed to do.
"Ah but Corbyn will have all of June from the 9th onwards free"
Not sure about that. He was elected to deselect moderate Labour MPs/candidate MPs and replace them with loons. That mission can carry on after the election.
Gives him a chance to make his case for Labour to assume power. Why wouldn't he want to do that ?
for one brief moment, he was actually in a position of power there.
'Give us X and Y concessions on Brexit and we'll support your general election vote'. Save TM having to call a vote of no confidence in her own govt.
Bit disappointed that he just shrugged and let her get her own way...
Still not sure who that someone else is though
Yvette Cooper spanked May at PMQs today, tbf is not hard, you can see why May is so scared of a TV debate, even corbs would best her!
I'm feeling about as confident about May's chances as as I did about Clinton's chances after Donald Trump became the Republican candidate
ITV and BBC intending to do the TV debates with or without May.
So, what do you think,
A) empty chair
B) tub o' lard
C) Paul Merton in drag, or
D) she bottle the bottling, u-turn and do the debates?
She'll do the tv debate no doubt if the others do. Even Corbyn could score a point on that one. (I think).
Too much to lose by not doing it
Too much to lose by not doing it
Hardly. Throw your mind back to why #IagreewithNick became a thing at the 2010 election, and why the LibDems did so well, and ended up power-sharing.
Ask 10 randomers who Tim Farron is at the moment and probably more than half won't have a clue. Why would you want, as a serving PM, to give your main threat the chance to be watched by millions of voters?
She has far too much to lose by doing it.
She will do the debates. David Dimbleby summed it up well yesterday on R4 that it would be interesting and inconceivable that there would not be representation from the leader of our country to debate in a democratic discussion if all the other candidates were up for it.
Her hiring of Lynton Crosby will be on his terms. And one of those will be her non-participation.
Basically, the LibDems, who are the only party in England actively opposing Brexit, are trying desperately to engage with the 48% of voters who voted against it. Imagine if they could harness even a fraction of that in marginals? But their leader is pretty low profile. Do you really give him equal status with the PM for an hour or two of primetime telly?
EDIT: Thanks Legend, that's my days of political punditry done and dusted. 😀
The lady has turned again, now doing a TV debate
Anyone catch the Daily Hate, sorry Mail headline today ? 😆
[quote=legend said]The lady has turned again, now doing a TV debate
Sauce ?
Sauce ?
This probably. Happy with audience Q&A but no head to head with leaders, so not a 'debate', more her lecturing some carefully selected 'randoms'.
So not a debate as such then.
Paul Merton in drag
An apt time for HIGNFY to return methinks..
Hardly strong leadership if you feel afraid to stand up and debate why you should be leader of the country.
Nevertheless, her participating in the debating or not, the mindless sheeep will still vote for her.
As someone said to me today "may as well vote Tory since they're going to win anyway". WTF!! 😯
As someone said to me today "may as well vote Tory since they're going to win anyway". WTF!!
This is an actual thing. Some people just want to be on the winning side.
Why do people even want a TV debate - they're truly ghastly, cringe fests. I've never managed to watch more than 10 minutes. And I love current affairs, watch Newsnight most nights etc. But politicians just squabble and avoid the question, give sound bite answers etc. To$$ers the lot of 'em.
so I reckon Tories will win an increased majority but Lib Dems will do well (amazing as dead in water in June 2015), Labour will suffer like dogs, Ukip wont do great and SNP will do well but possibly concede one or two to the Tories. PLaid wotsit wont do great (leader too bleeding smug) and NI will do its own thing. Probably have a march or two.
or Labour quickly elect a new Leader and actually do quite well, blue collar Add to dictionary getting nervous etc.
I reckon.
Its clearly a sin. Anyway I'm voting tory.
Your not fooling us oldtalent, especially with a user name like that. I bet all your life you've secretly harboured a desire to pucker your lips around an illicit todger, perhaps you already have which is why you hold such irrational views.
Shame they dont call it tomorrow, everyone knows who they are going to vote for anyway I expect.
I am enjoying the tears from the lefties/remoaners/commies/socialists though, most entertaining.
If you garner such enjoyment from expressions of opposition to your views then you are little more than a bag of bile wrapped in an ill fitting skin suit.
C) Paul Merton in drag
pls
Linkynoworky.
if you feel afraid to stand up and debate
You know the scenes in 'Yes Minister' when Sir Humphrey congratulates Jim Hacker on being brave...
I bet all your life you've secretly harboured a desire to pucker your lips around an illicit todger
If that's the case then the Liberals are the party for you, not Tories. I know someone who was propositioned by a Liberal leader in a gents toilet, although it was a long time ago now.
Shame they dont call it tomorrow, everyone knows who they are going to vote for anyway I expect.
I am enjoying the tears from the lefties/remoaners/commies/socialists though, most entertaining.
Clearly not the Tories are up 4% since election was announced.
Yvette Cooper spanked May at PMQs today, tbf is not hard, you can see why May is so scared of a TV debate, even corbs would best her!
What is the weather like on Planet Kimbers ?
TV debates are appalling, no upside for those ahead in polls / in-power. As I said that's why Blair refused to do them. He knew how to win and [b]it's not by doing TV pantomime.[/b]
I am enjoying the tears from the lefties/remoaners/commies/socialists though, most entertaining.
Is it just me who automatically assumes that someone is a moron the moment they use the word "remoaner"?
Is it just me who automatically assumes that someone is a moron the moment they use the word "remoaner"?
No, not just you.
Kinda makes me think of English footy fans abroad, ruling of the waves, you'll never get Gibraltar... etc...
Is it just me who automatically assumes that someone is a moron the moment they use the word [s]"remoaner"[/s] "Brexshit"?
FIFY
TV debates are appalling, no upside for those ahead in polls / in-power. As I said that's why Blair refused to do them. He knew how to win and it's not by doing TV pantomime.
yeah who wants to see a crazy old guy debating with an empty chair?
its kinda been done before
and still Mays scared!
as for the weather- its been raining ever since the oldies voted for [b]BREXSHIT[/b] 🙂
I like the whole "debates are bad for the incumbent". That's not a reason to let them avoid them, that's a reason to make them do it. You know what else is bad for the incumbent? Elections, being held to account, opposition, playing back interviews of them saying things they've totally u-turned on. Tolerating politicians avoiding things just because they might work out better for the other guy is not a good idea.
That said, TV debates are bollocks.
"debates are bad for the incumbent". That's not a reason to let them avoid them
...but it *is* the reason incumbents try to avoid them.
TV debates are appalling, no upside for those ahead in polls / in-power.
Only if you're in danger of being found out as a big liar liar pants on fire.
Jamba is correct that May will wish to run away from any real debate because there is only downside for her. She is scared that she can only lose in a debate
But she can't appear to be scared and running away.
Difficult one. 8)
so digging through the UK history of election debates and the claims it's bad for the incumbant.
There have been 2 years 2010 and 2015, 2010 Brown could have handed out fifties and still lost that one. It wasn't the debate that lost the election, it was however Clegg who probably pushed it to colaition.
2015 Did Milliband stand a chace and how did the incumbant fare?
In US debates it's much harder to tell as a lot of times it's 2 new faces.
So where is are the stats backing up the claims?
She's also in the position of having to defend Brexit , leaving aside the fact that every analysis still says it will damage the country.
Realistically there will be compromises, the many fantasies spun to Brexies about what it would deliver are obviously impossible to realise, May knows all of this sbd she knows the rabid right wing press will shred her if she fails to deliver. its why she wants an election asap and why she's been obsessed with having as little scrutiny as possible.
I don't expect there will be many cyclists who normally buy nice shiny toys to vote Conservative, given how much bike equipment has gone up since that joke of a referendum last year, especially Shimano (thanks to to the exchange rate of GBP).
So where is are the stats backing up the claims?
I doubt there would be an meaningful stats because we don't run 'control' elections to check.
So yeah, maybe rather than saying "debates are bad for the incumbent" we should probably say: "debates are generally considered bad for the incumbent".
Logically you can see why the might be. The incumbent has been doing all the unpopular stuff people in power have to do & has a record in government to attack. Plus the presence of the leader gives little known candidates a massive media platform they wouldn't otherwise have.
Bit of light reading:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-incumbents-lose-presidential-debates/442344/