Meaning you always pay for Bluetooth, regardless of need - a downside of Apple products.
Funny, I had Bluetooth on a Nokia N95, a SonyEricsson K750i, and an O2 XDA Mini, and only used it with the N95, for linking a GPS unit, due to the crap onboard version. How is BT on Apple products a downside, when it's quite clearly not a downside on those from many, many other manufacturers? It's comes built into the radio chips, you pay for it, regardless of what label the front of the device has on it, meaning [b]you always pay for it.[/b]
It's comes built into the radio chips, you pay for it, regardless of what label the front of the device has on it, meaning you always pay for it.
That's not strictly speaking true.
Adding Bluetooth may well cost $0.01 as footflaps suggested earlier, but that only relates to the hardware cost. It doesn't cover the cost in development effort, testing, radio standards compliance, license fees etc.
I have an iPad1 - its used daily and I will be upgrading it to an iPad Air as I want the improved performance and the Retina. The iPad1 is stuck on iOS5 (only from 2 onwards can you run iOS7) and I can sell it and make 30% of purchase price of a new iPad Air (to poster who asked why you'd pay a premium for an Apple product this is part of the answer of 3.5years of constant use I can sell it for a reasonable price).
I just took the free Mavericks upgrade so new iPad will synch that much better with my 4S and computer.
As for keyboards I have an Apple wireless keyboard (£60) for my Mac Mini which I can use wit the iPad although I rarely do, if you really want a keyboard then that's a route you can take.
Numbers - fine for smaller stuff, as yet it's not going to replace major Excel sheets with embedded macros etc
Pages - pretty good, my choice for creating and editing documents
To the poster who's just bought an iPad4, if you can get it switched I would the danger is that you won't be able to get your hands on an iPad Air in time for Christmas as demand will be too great
I very much doubt there'll be too many bargain iPad 3/4's - more available I'd suggest as people upgrade but "a bargain", I doubt it.
b) It's a pretty high-cost niche product that's really only designed for media professionals
And even then they are well served by their other products. I use a retina MBP and can edit native HD footage (no proxies) with no issue and work on 2-8gb photoshop files without having to wait to do anything. It's very fast processing 22, 36, 50, 60 megapixel files in 16bit. If it was hooked up to an external ssd scratch disk it would be even faster (waiting for the sonnet echo15 to come in stock)
Unless I worked on big video projects and in 4k I wouldn't feel the need for a new mac-pro and even the you are still having to expand with the same thunderbolt peripherals that you would use with a MBP.
You could add the keyboard to a cheaper non-iOS tablet too. For less overall cost.
But it's not an iPad. 😕
It doesn't cover the cost in development effort, testing, radio standards compliance, license fees etc.
Amortised over the 170 million iPads they've sold, it might bump the cost up to $0.015 😉
Yeah fine for big selling iPads - but I think the point was more like "why don't all tablets have Bluetooth cos it is really cheap"
If you're knocking out a tablet as cheap as you can that'll maybe only sell in the tens of thousands then you don't get those nice economies of scale that let you spread out your development costs.
Ah you're talking about the rubbish ones no one buys......
People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.
I don't think I'm a mug, but I do know nothing about computers. I'm on my third iPhone, I have a 27in iMac and an iPad mini and 2 Airport Expresses
I bought them because I like nice things that work well. I know full well I could buy something to do the same job for cheaper, but I work hard to earn my money and like to treat myself to something now and again. I don't buy designer clothes, expensive cars, or piss my money up the wall, so I don't feel the need to justify my choices to anyone, or slag off other systems. It seems to me only Andriod fans do that.
To me, Apple stuff is very, very well made, delightfully simple to use and backed by warranty and customer service that most other brands can only dream of: I dropped my 3 week only iPhone 5 and cracked the screen. I took it to an apple store and told them the truth, fully expecting to pay to get it repaired. I was given a brand new one for free. Tonight I'm downloading the new OSX Mavericks for free. When my iMac keyboard developed a fault, I got a new one for free, without even showing a receipt, with a smile and a thank you.
Thanks Apple, you marketing works, your products work, they last a long time and have good resale value. Your staff are helpful and your stores pleasurable to visit. And I LOVE how you piss people off 😀
Ah you're talking about the rubbish ones no one buys......
Yes, Android.
All we need are food, water and shelter.
Have you not seen the latest version of Maslow's Hierarchy of Human Needs?
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And I LOVE how you piss people off
If you really want to see pissed off people, STW is very tame. However, take a look at the comments section on any Charles Arthur article in the Guardian tech section. He doesn't even need to be writing about phones let alone mention Apple and about 200 die hard posters pop up and add comments about blatant Apple bias on, for example, a review of a Sony DVD player. Apple haterz seem to attract very disturbed people..
Footflaps. Really? Wow....
People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.
I would have to disagree. I still use a mid 2007 iMac, now running Mavericks beautifully. It hasn't missed a beat. Not one clean install, not one virus. It just keeps on working. I use it for work, photo/video editing etc so I give it some stick. I plan to upgrade soon but I know I can sell it for at least £400 (cost me 1200). I'm not sure that could be said for a PC (same spec) that is 6 years old.
In case it's not obvious without the context, I [b]don't[/b] think "[i]People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers."[/i] - I was saying that this seems to be what a lot of Apple-haterz think for some reason.
I followed it up by saying that I use Apple and I'm a Comp Sci degree holding software engineer with 16 years in the job, specialising in embedded systems.
EDIT: @Graham - just seen your clarification, but I'd already typed and posted my long rant so I'm not deleting it 😳
People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.
I had to build my first computer with a soldering iron from a box of bits and programme it in hexadecimal machine code as pc's didn't exist. I studied counter science to post grad and worked in software development for a few years. Point being I know more than "nothing about computers". I've been delighted to make the switch over the last 5 years to Apple after years of being locked into to Microsoft by the genious of Gates getting someone at IBM to sign an exclusive agreement with Microsoft. Their products have always been poor, but you had to have them. Apple thrives of being innovative, having products people want to own and by the fact [b]that they actually work[/b]. IME Apple products are actually cheaper than their alternatives as they keep working longer and have strong resale value of you want to upgrade.
In my household (including 3 now grown up kids) we had windows desktop computers and laptops, Nokia and Blackberry phones and iPods. Now we have only Apple computers, tablets and phones.
Trying to argue that only the uniformed buy Apple products is like King Canute telling the tide not to come in.
People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.
Exactly. They just want to get on with their everyday lives or making money using apple computers in their business without being the nerdy ' I.T. Guy' and getting excited about Linux.
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That's okay. I agree with your long rant anyway. It was just misdirected 😀
In case it's not obvious without the context, I don't think "People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers." - I was saying that this seems to be what a lot of Apple-haterz think for some reason.
I wasn't having a dig at you, I missed the context on page 3! My apologies!
Exactly. They just want to get on with their everyday lives or making money using apple computers in their business without being the nerdy ' I.T. Guy' and getting excited about Linux.
It's exactly the opposite motivation for me. I spend all my day dicking about with computers and "getting excited about Linux". 🙂
So when I get home I just want a tablet that works with no fuss.
when I get home I just want a tablet that works with no fuss.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/23/ios-7-0-3-motion-sickness-imessage-fixes ]Apple has released an update for its iOS 7 software to deal with a raft of complaints from users about motion sickness, problems with iMessage and poor calibration of level sensors on the iPhone 5S.[/url]
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[i]*Yawn*[/i]
Yeah turns out when you overhaul an operating system sometimes you need to put out a couple of patches afterwards to fix up minor issues. Software company issue minor patch. It's a complete non-story. No software is perfect, but compare that to Microsoft who put out a patch [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_Tuesday ]Every Single Month[/url]!
Incidentally I've not had any issues with iMessage, level calibration or "motion sickness" (really? how sensitive are these people? walking about must be a real strain for them!)
*Yawn*
Hence the 😉
It was more of a comment on the products "just working". It may have been true(ish) in the past, but most devices "just work" nowadays; I can't remember when I last had to mess about at home with hardware or software to get it to work. Despite using MS products 🙂
(I know quite a few people who has iMessage problems. The motion sickness does sound bollocks though.)
but compare that to Microsoft who put out a patch Every Single Month!
who also support the OS for 5-10 years 🙂 and don't charge for updates
Do you two really have nothing better to do with your time than troll Apple threads? It's a bit sad really. 😕
who also support the OS for 5-10 years and don't charge for updates
So same as iOS then?
Do you two really have nothing better to do with your time than troll Apple threads? It's a bit sad really.
He started it miss.
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I was talking about the Apple-hater mikes. 🙂
Think we're both guilty of feeding the trolls though. 😕
He started it miss.
I never did! He did. And someone called me a name 🙂
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"motion sickness" (really? how sensitive are these people? walking about must be a real strain for them!)
*puts up hand*
I had to resort to the 'disable aids' menu to turn off the fancy floating screen thing on my ipads, it was making me feel well rank.
my 2p, the whole ipads are better because the apps are designed for them is crap. Most of the ipad versions are worse, and there's a load of apps that I'm stuck with the iphone versions of because no one's bothered to make an ipad version.
I had to resort to the 'disable aids' menu to turn off the fancy floating screen thing on my ipads, it was making me feel well rank.
Really? Wow!
I'm curious - why were you staring at the home screen and moving the iPad about for long enough to induce motion sickness?? Surely in normal use you are only at the home screen for a couple of seconds?
Are you very sensitive to this kind of thing? (e.g. do first-person games and 3D films set you off?)
I've never had any kind of problem before, freaked me out a bit. I don't watch many 3d films (only ever at home, haven't had chance to try the cinema yet) and I don't get travel sick.
It happened pretty much immediately, if I wasn't holding the ipad perfectly still the icons moving around just looking for the one I want caused me grief.
Shame really, I thought it was a nice effect.
Sorry grum
Cheers prawny. I assumed the media reports of motion sickness were exaggerated, as it seems quite a subtle effect to me, so it's interesting to hear from someone that was actually affected by it.
