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Never visited the BBC website then, or any site with video content?
I use it almost all the time. In fact the only site I have bookmarked is the BBC site (various pages).
Granted I can't watch the media from the BBC site, but I CAN watch it via [url= http://www.tvcatchup.com/ ]TVCatchup[/url] where I can also watch ITV (1, 2, 3 & 4), Channel 4, Fiver, E4, More4, Dave, Film 4, Sky News and even QVC should I want to.
Serious Question, why is the new iphone so much better? I can't see that it does anything more than a HTC Desire but just costs more money and doesnt do Flash ?
Well, don't know enough to make a detailed list, but for a start it syncs with iTunes, so it updates all apps, it has access to more of those apps which are 'vetted' and hence more likely to run properly, and it doesn't do Flash.
Granted I can't watch the media from the BBC site
Can't you use the iPlayer app? Seems like its just some content that the Beeb have been slow to convert to a format suitable for mobile devices. They were also slow to provide Mac support for iPlayer, so maybe they will get up to date eventually.
Thing is, i think the the iphone did "up the game", with respect to the UI, but when i hear things such as "left the competition in its wake with its new features.", my initial response is "So you got suckered in by the hype then".
Most phones have been able to video call over the mobile network for years, how is the iphone abilty to only video call over wifi to other iphones ahead of the competion?
The other specs of the phone are'nt all that either, 5mp camera? About 4 years behind. HD recording, been done.
Basically the iphone sells on its ease of use and the hype generated from its marketing.
My father in law has a 3GS from work, he loves it. The reception on it is so poor he rarely gets called out of hours. In that respect it has changed his life since he is no longer contactable outside office hours, which hes very happy about.
there's just one important [url= http://www.youtube.com/user/Blendtec#p/a/u/0/06O5rejU3ZU ]question[/url]
Can't you use the iPlayer app?
As I said above, I just use TVCatchup anyway (and only to watch footie really). If I ever need to, I guess I could look at iPlayer.
Ok, put the Flash issue aside - what else does the iPhone do that truly sets it apart from other smartphones? Why is it worth the extra money when, for £200 less, you could have an HTC desire which is equally as good (no HD video recording but it's hardly a deal-breaker).
For £200 less?
Seriously, why didn't somebody say that the phone companies were trying to PAY ME to take a phone away before I handed over a paltry sum for my iPhone 4? 😉
I think for me, like probably most iPhone fans, it's not about things like a 5MP camera, HD video recording, lack of Flash etc... It's about having the most user friendly, intuitive, easy to use device on the market. It's also why Apple still manage to sell quite a lot of computers even to this day, as their hardware is over priced when you look at it purely in terms of spec for your money, it's more about the OS though and what it allows you to do in that respect.
what mboy said.
For example, I took my new toy home, plugged it into itunes and ten minutes later it has everything on it that my old one did - including every text I have sent or received. No hassle, no needing to work things out or ring someone up. No need to read a manual - everything is intuitive, including all the new features. I've owned windows mobile smart phones and a bunch of symbian ones, and for me switching to an iphone from them was like switching from DOS to Windows (for any of you old enough to remember that). I'm not a geek; I just like nice things that are well made and work properly.
So does it copy over all the apps too?
bol - Member
what mboy said.
I just like nice things that are well made and work properly.
Hmmmmmmmm - I'd have to take issue with the 'well made' and 'work properly' part, on the following basis:
[url] http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/6/24/apple-iphone-4-hit-display-problems/ [/url]
[url] http://www.t3.com/news/iphone-4-suffers-setback-as-early-problems-arise?=46603 [/url]
[url] http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/poll-is-your-iphone-4-retina-display-seeing-yellow-spots/ [/url]
[url] http://mashable.com/2010/06/23/iphone-yellow-screen-tint/ [/url]
[url] http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/06/24/iphone-4-issues-reported/1 [/url]
[url] http://trunc.it/92z2n [/url]
You probably won't like the iPhone 4 (or at least the first batch) then....
Most of the second shipment of iPhones will be bloody warranty replacements for the first lot.
There is an old theory that says people will join a queue even if they don't know what they are lining up for
Not sure what one of these does and certainly don't want or need it then
If its like an ipod no doubt there will be long queues to return the faulty ones
My mobile phone company keep giving me 100 quid a year to stay with them on a contract phone that the bill never gets above 9 quid a month
Why would I want to change, only there for urgent or emergency use and its essentially free.
FWIW I transfer my stuff from old Nokia to new Nokia perfectly each time.
There is an old theory that says people will join a queue even if they don't know what they are lining up for
LOL, there were a good few people that came up to those of us queuing today to ask what the queue was for, and should they join! Hahaha
molgrips - Member
FWIW I transfer my stuff from old Nokia to new Nokia perfectly each time.
Yep - same with me on my Nokia, HTC, or any other phone I've had for that matter. The fact that the iPhone4 syncs up easier pales into insignificance when you look at the issues that have surfaced on DAY 1 of it's release.... This isn't after a week, or a month, it's after A DAY!
I wouldn't really give two s**ts if my iPhone synced up easily if it dropped phonecalls every time I used my left hand to hold it, or yellow marks appeared on the screen after minutes of use!
There were twenty people in front of me this morning when I picked mine up. Don't know about the so-called Apple Tax on contracts, the one I've got is exactly the same amount per month as I was paying for a crappy N95, with far, far better usability. The point many are missing about Apple is not that they're doing something no-one else has done, but that it's a more integrated design. An Android phone is just some generic smartphone with one flavour of Android stuffed inside. There's no oversight of the apps, and a recent report says 1in 5 apps allows personal info to be accessed by outsiders.
" the one I've got is exactly the same amount per month as I was paying for a crappy N95"
Then you were paying too much for the N95. I think a lot of people pay a lot more than they need to for their phones.
(BTW i'm not anti-apple/iPhones, just a pet hate is folk that think the iphone is "cheap" by any stretch of the word. It's a £500 or £600 phone, whichever way you cut it, you're paying that for it).
What bugs me is that I actually need a phone because I no longer have my work one - yet I can't get an iPhone 4 because hordes of people who already have a perfectly serviceable phone have just had to upgrade because otherwise their life would be incomplete, and thus there are none left!
Mastiles - yes, apps too.
Zaskar - well, at least if it breaks you can just pop into your local Apple store and they'll hand you a new one. I guess when you ship the best part of a million products in one day you're going to have a few that fall over. A 1% failure rate is going to be reported as if it's most of them if that equates to 10,000 units.
Anyway, I'm happy with mine. The bigger concern for me, if I think about it, is that I was actually rather happy with the old one too. I, like a lot of people on here I would guess, have the same problem with bikes.
Anyone would swear that Apple invented Folders,
Video Calling and Multitasking (which is still doesn't do properly in the eyes of some).
Agreed and that irks me too. But that's marketting for ya.
However if you look at the details you'll see that they have, as always, put a bit of a unique Appley spin on each of those existing ideas (which you may or may not consider to be a good thing).
Ahh cool - when I get around to getting one (after the rush) it will be dead easy to swap over then.
🙂
It irritates me that they make out that some of their ideas are fantastically original when in fact they are just improvements of ideas that have been around for years.
Quite funny that a HD camera is meant to be a selling point, since it's still going to be a piss-poor excuse for a camera as it's in a phone 😆
From an Ecodesign point of view, when you look back at the evolution of consumer tech, it's amazing that so many people buy things that go obsolete so quickly.
It could be argued that you shouldn't even mass produce the early generations - they obviously aren't ready 😉
Then you were paying too much for the N95. I think a lot of people pay a lot more than they need to for their phones.(BTW i'm not anti-apple/iPhones, just a pet hate is folk that think the iphone is "cheap" by any stretch of the word. It's a £500 or £600 phone, whichever way you cut it, you're paying that for it).
To be fair to Apple, the N95 was a £700 phone when it came out, the HTC Desire is a £400 phone. None of the fancy smartphones are cheap.
Joe
I know - I wasn't saying they are. But they are nearly all available cheaper than iphones, even when they're fairly new.
And equally most other phones don't attract the premium when sold on. Original 3G (not the 3GS) iPhones still sell for around £200 second hand whereas the N95 only gets around £100...
sorted. just off the phone to O2 retentions and got a 16gb Iphone4 in the post.
And equally most other phones don't attract the premium when sold on. Original 3G (not the 3GS) iPhones still sell for around £200 second hand whereas the N95 only gets around £100...
I got £68 for mine in perfect condition. I'll probably get around £150-180 for my 3G. The N95 was really crap, yet the reviewers loved it. Its GPS needed a BT receiver before it would work, the 5Mp camera was hopeless, I could get one focussed pic out of maybe nine or ten attempts. It wouldn't focus on a bike propped against a tree ten feet away, or a chuffing great sailing ship in the middle of Bristol docks. My 3G, on the other hand, had over four hundred pics on it when I backed it up the other evening, and those were the most recent. Sure, it's not up to the same standard as a good compact, but it takes perfectly good snapshots that print great at 6x4, and look fine on Facebook, which is ok with me. I've got a TZ3 and a Nikon D60 if I want better pics, I've been taking photos for over thirty years, and I am quite happy with it; the 5Mp camera on the 4G will perform perfectly well as a snapshot camera, and anyone criticising it is just totally missing the whole point of a decent point and shoot camera that is always with you. Pixel count means nothing, I could care less about SE putting a 12Mp camera in a phone, it probably won't produce much better photos than my 2Mp.
As long as you're ok with it dropping calls when you pick it up...
A Ha ha aha hah aha ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah, etc.
Oh, and the screen going yellow....
A Ha ha aha hah aha ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah, etc.
I believe the common people would suggest that Apple have been owned, or pwned, or just made to look a bit silly.
Beta testing, gotta love it!
crikey: do you honestly believe that Apple let a new phone design get to market without once testing to make sure it could recieve calls??
And folk call the fanbois gullible!
I'd be very surprised if this "dropping calls when you touch it" thing proves to be anything more than either a few bad builds out of the millions created, random internet bollocks, or even just random FUD created by other manufacturers.
Graham, put iPhone 4 problems into google, then tell me its FUD
Apparently, they did the majority of testing in a 3G case for secrecy...
Not that it will be a problem in the long run, after all, they are for showing to others rather than using, right?
LOL...
Mmm hi ho. We'll see what the outcome is.
If it is genuinely a design issue then it is certainly a bit of a black eye for Apple.
Gizmodo reporting suggests only certain batches may be effected as they went out without the protective coating on the antenna, which would make sense.
meh. if its faulty i'll get a replacement phone under warranty.
if you don't like it, don't buy it...
I'm not really gloating, I appreciate the whole IPhone thing, although I don't prefer it over Android, but it is a bit strange that the phone got to the release stage and has what appears to be a pretty basic problem.
Ho Hum. I'm still waiting for a Hero Orange upgrade.... 😉
not really. you would expect a certain percentage to be faulty in some way. its inevitable and unavoidable. apple will deal with it via warranty/software and the fuss will die down.
with such a high volume of units out there even a 0.1% fault rate is a lot of units.
If all it takes is a cheap rubber surround, which will help stop the glass getting scratched by putting the phone down on gritty or sandy surfaces, then I don't have a problem. Even painting the steel with clear nail varnish would work. The yellow blotches that some have reported, in case no-one else has read it, is due to a bonding agent used on the glass face not having time to properly cure. Several people have updated after they noticed the yellow disappeared after a short time, and I read a post by the guy who actually sold the bonding agent to Apple saying the same thing; the demand has meant phones being shipped while the screens are still curing.
If all it takes is a cheap rubber surround, which will help stop the glass getting scratched by putting the phone down on gritty or sandy surfaces, then I don't have a problem.
I personally would not be happy with that. Should work without having to use a case, do not use one for my 3G so and do not want to be forced into using one when i eventually get a 4.
...saying that the whiners are always the loudest on the interwebs so it may just be a skewed view of the problem.
Even
painting the steel with clear nail varnish would
work
Which from some of the coverage I read was basically the intended design.
At least one Apple CSR was reported as saying that some batches of phones were missing a coating over the steel.
Incidentally a mate of mine got hers today and cannot reproduce this. Gizmodo have videos of folk NOT producing it despite wet hands and funny holds.
So it may well turn out to be a "Friday afternoon" batch.
And equally most other phones don't attract the premium when sold on. Original 3G (not the 3GS) iPhones still sell for around £200 second hand whereas the N95 only gets around £100...
and HTC HD2 are going easily £200-280 on ebay second hand.
and HTC HD2 are going easily £200-280 on ebay second hand.
But that is a current phone so can't be compared to a 3G or N95. [url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-iPhone-4-16GB-Black-Brand-New-Sealed-Unlocked-/200487327501?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item2eadf9d70d#ht_500wt_1154 ]iPhone 4s are going for £700 on Ebay.[/url]