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I'm astonished that anyone could manage to drop both themselves and someone else into the crap with such awesome accuracy then get on to the internet to whine about it. top marks, well done, now start practicing "Do you want fries with that"
joolsburger
anyone he sat around waiting to be given work wouldn't be in my employment very long. People should be able to work to direction and goals and show a bit of initiative or business acumen in whatever area you are in.
I think you need to change your forum name.
I would have used my initiative and developed the work based on my knowledge of my bosses intent, aims or goals. I think that he has made that very clear in his reply
I was told I was going to receieve some relevant work last week to keep me going. I didn't want to create pointless lists of companies for the MD to turn around and ask me why I didn't ask for some work.
lol at Big But. I'm not whining. I know what I have to do. it's some of you guys that are making a big deal out of it.
I think you need to change your forum name.
Why? if you knew me in person and I was asking for advice as a friend, would you ask me to change my real name?
are you supposed to be working now? Only they might be keeping a close eye on you to make sure you're doing something 'productive'?
I think you need to change your forum name.Why? if you knew me in person and I was asking for advice as a friend, would you ask me to change my real name?
You need to stop being so defensive otherwise this thread will run and run.
You need to stop being so defensive otherwise this thread will run and run.
maybe that's my intention. maybe I didn't like some of the replies and I am waiting for those I like to balance the ones I don't! 😀
As others have said, it's important that when you do make a tit of yourself, you just own up.
Particularly within a company where up is down and black is white if that's the prevailing culture.
PB I don't know the OP he may well be quite young as this does seem a bit of a schoolboy error.
If I'm reading it right he was promised a specific task (the discs) which hadn't materialised and simply asked the person he thought correct for them having completed the more menial stuff he had to finish off.
A small error of reporting line but not one I'd get all stressed about if I were his line. Seems to me the line is terrifed of the MD as this is such a minor thing to get stressed about.
Some roles need clear direction on a day to day basis in order that tasks are completed effectively others have a high degree of autonomy who knows what the circumstances are here.
The use of the word underhanded as opposed to inappropriate seems like a very salient point implying as it does a personal attack on the Line by the OP.
MD will not want to know as they have more important things to do but will question your line manager when he gets back.
Just email your line manager only but its a bit late for that now.
If you were waiting for some work from your MD as your line manager left you then you should have asked the MD is x had arrived.
MD will think you and line manager are morons.
Your line manager will start make your life hell.
Most of us here think you just made your line manager look bad. While the MD will be intrigued he will also think you are as bad as the line manager.
Why? if you knew me in person and I was asking for advice as a friend, would you ask me to change my real name?
Depends. Is your real name 'CareerMinded'? 😉
tbh I think all you've done is ask for more work, albeit in a ham-fisted manner,
If I'm reading it right he was promised a specific task (the discs) which hadn't materialised and simply asked the person he thought correct for them having completed the more menial stuff he had to finish off.
almost, the discs I mentioned were the work I had completed last week when I said they would be.
I was told once I had sent the discs of completed work to the MD, he would send me more work. I didn't receive anything this morning so thought I would naively ask where this work was rather than wasting my time compiling lists (which my line man said was not the best use of time).
to clarify, my line manager was on holiday. I emailed the MD instead because of this as I didn't expect a response from him.
So what you are saying is that effectively you've e-mailed your MD and your line manager and told them that you have no initiative or common sense and are incapable of working without adult supervision?
Thus pissing your line manager off whilst he's on holiday and your MD cos he now has to sort you and your line manager's inability to fucntion effectively together.
Well done that man.
i do that shiz all the time m8
That's why i'll never be at the top and i am ok with it.
U will neva B at da top if U talk in txt spk eeva, M8!!
Oh and whether or not you intended it, it looks quite a lot like brown nosing and trying to undermine your line manager in his absence as well to be fair.
think all you've done is ask for more work, albeit in a ham-fisted manner
that's all I was intending. I am not that tactful TBH and I shall put this down to experience.
for the record, I am not young (unfortunately) though this is my first industry job since leaving Uni.
live and learn
[i]So what you are saying is that effectively you've e-mailed your MD and your line manager and told them that you have no initiative or common sense and are incapable of working without adult supervision? [/i]
This...
If you were told the MD would send you work when this work was done and he hadn't then you are in no way at fault to ask.
So what you are saying is that effectively you've e-mailed your MD and your line manager and told them that you have no initiative or common sense and are incapable of working without adult supervision?
Close, but what I really wanted to say was 'you are a fat lazy cunit who can't wait to go away for two weeks leaving me with nothing but mundane and pointless tasks to do that I was not employed for'
sometimes 'work' is all about the pointless mundane shit that needs to be done, (even if it's not strictly your job) What you've done instead is ignore that, and drop yourself and your boss in the shit with the MD.
Nicely done...
we don't know I have got us in sh1t with the MD yet. he hasn't responded.
sometimes 'work' is all about the pointless mundane shit that needs to be done
the 'work' that he said I should be getting on with while I wait for the proper Work I am employed to do doesn't 'need' doing at all. it was just his way of keeping me occupied while he gets a tan.
Some people and companies have very odd management styles, I blame The Apprentice.
I reckon your line manager is inept, he is obviously incapable of the simplest handover.
[i]he hasn't responded. [/i]
to you.
He may have been on to your line manager, however.
Your line manager is now left in a position where he can only view you as :-
a) Someone who wanted to stitch him up behind his back
or
b) Someone without the social skills to realise that he was stitching someone up behind their back.
I'd do my best to forget about what you can't undo and just move on in a slightly more thoughtful way in future.
[i]The 'work' that he said I should be getting on with while I wait for the proper Work I am employed to do doesn't 'need' doing at all. it was just his way of keeping me occupied while he gets a tan[/i]
I've learnt over the years just do it if thats what they ask,if it keeps you occupied so the day goes quicker all the better.
go speak to your MD, get your ass covered and alleviate any shit to be levied at your boss on his return. Don't tell the MD your boss e-mailed you, just say you hoped it didn't sound like you have NOTHING to do, oh no, thats not what I meant, I just meant, errr, I have tonnes to do but was looking for those discs...
Your line manager is now left in a position where he can only view you as :-a) Someone who wanted to stitch him up behind his back
or
b) Someone without the social skills to realise that he was stitching someone up behind their back.
or
c) Someone who is good at doing their job and who is efficient but has yet to learn the finer details of industry hierarchy communication protocol.
the 'work' that he said I should be getting on with while I wait for the proper Work I am employed to do doesn't 'need' doing at all. it was just his way of keeping me occupied while he gets a tan.
So were you left with work to do or not? It sounds like you were, but that you didn't judge it off sufficient value so went above your boss to get something else.
If that is the case you come across as calculated and backstabbing, not naive and simplistic
highclimber - if your name is a reference to your career aspirations then I think Pook is definitely right!
First industry job out of Uni.... already sounding like a jobsworth... I feel some tougher lessons than this one are yet to come.
U will neva B at da top if U talk in txt spk eeva, M8!!
Er. Yeah.
1.BP.BLOGSPOT.COM There are some very sensitive middle managers posting here, obviously more interested in empire building and office polotics than getting on and doing some real work.
So were you left with work to do or not? It sounds like you were, but that you didn't judge it off sufficient value so went above your boss to get something else.
no, I was expecting some work to arrive from the MD by today. my line manager, in response to me saying I had no other work at the moment, because I hadn't recieved the work promised, suggested that I ' ...make lists, contact some local outdoor ed centres and go and see'.
I didn't expect a reply from him [my line manager] as he was on holiday. I could have avoided this whole fiasco if I had asked him for more work but He was on holiday and I assumed, wrongly in this case, that asking for the work I was promised from the MD would be ok but my wording was sloppy and ended up making my line manager look like he hasn't been doing his job. Not My Intention other wise I would have NOT CC'd him into the email!
Time to get out of that company. It doesn't have a proper work ethic and is full of precious princesses.
Get a job where effort is appreciated and rewarded before you get ground down.
Start looking now.
BYW the best company to work for is your own.
is that precious or precocious?
precious (irony)
I agree that my initial email was poorly worded
Yes, but your second one was even worse. Not a sackable offence, but one which guarantees no future.
I guess "highclimber" refers to getting on your high horse.
why was my reply even worse?
and my username has nothing to do with my current occupation.
+1 epicyclo, there are more interesting ways of making a living than dealing with this kind of rubbish. Unbelievably, companies exist where your ability to work is valued above your ability to read and implement Machiavelli. Find one of those 🙂
Surely you just need to clarify that you were expecting work from another source which didn't come? Ideally this would have been on your 1st mail but as you didn't just need to explain that? You made your manager look bad and if he gets told off then he will take it out on you so try and sort it out.
Highclimber, I've done similar - worse actually.
It sounds like you're working for an organisation that values politics over performance. Unless you like a political environment you're in the wrong job.
Remember bureaucracy is cancer of the administration.
There are some very sensitive middle managers posting here, obviously more interested in empire building and office polotics than getting on and doing some real work.
+1
I so don't miss corporate life.
EDIT: Btw highclimber, how big is the organisation anyway?