[Closed] Im no Labour voter , but i know injustice when i see it

I think it's fair to say we see things quite differently. Jackie Walker is a vile and agressive anti-semite. If the Labour Party had any leadership she'd be banned for life. When the Home Affairs Select Committee Report said Corbyn's lack of leadership had creaated a "safe space" for anti-Semites within Labour it was people like Jackie Walker they where speaking about.

OP would you like to explain the "injustice" you are seeing ?

In your own words, not a google drag and drop, describe Anti Semitism?

Jackie Walker is a vile and agressive anti-semite.

But she's a practicing Jew...? Or am I missing something obvious?

The 'anti-Semitism' claim which led to her suspension seems to be backfiring on the Jewish Labour Movement, who have come under increased fire from several other Jewish groups with political affiliation to Labour. The JLM have been exposed as a pro-Israel organisation, which positions itself as the 'Jewish voice' within Labour, which many other Jewish Labour members are vehemently opposed to. Whilst the JLM has roots in the history of the traditional Labour Movement, it seems it's become a vehicle for right-wing supporters of the vile Israeli regime, and one which advocates the forced removal of Palestinians to make way for illegal settlements in the West Bank. The JLM are desperate to do anything which will damage Corbyn, as they know their position within Labour (which they exploit for their own ends, they have little concern with the core principles of the Labour Party) will very likely become untenable. They used the recent Cable Street Memorial rally as an opportunity to protest against Corbyn (who was speaking there), and were met with a lot of opposition from many Jewish people who were present.

Jackie Walker has done absolutely nothing wrong. The campaign against her is an absolute disgrace.

"Jackie Walker is a vile and agressive anti-semite."

Oh, I see Jamba's turned up. How unsurprising... 🙄

I think we'd quite like to see you qualify that statement, Jamba. Do you have any actual evidence she is a 'vile anti-Semite'?

In your own words, not a google drag and drop, describe Anti Semitism?

Well to Jambalaya it just means 'member of Labour Party'...

Do you have any actual evidence she is a 'vile anti-Semite'?

"yes, he's a member of the Labour Party" 🙂

Hasbara, much?

I think today's entertainment will be seeing just how much Jamby tries to spin this into yet another attack on Labour/Corbyn. And just how many direct questions he will ignore when challenged.

Think we better get the large tea urn out. The kettle's not going to be sufficient for this one. 😆

@jambayla...I hope you can defend, provide evidence and give reasons for such vitriolic words as "Jackie Walker is a vile and agressive anti-semite". Your statement is a massive slur on someones character.

Ffs chaps, i need to do actual work here, but i desperately want to pull up a chair and crack open the popcorn... 😆

[i]@jambayla...I hope you can defend, provide evidence and give reasons[/i]

are you new here? We'll get half a dozen vaguely related conspiracy theory links and a an attempt to bore everyone until they walk away from the thread...

Jackie Walker is a vile and agressive anti-semite

Yeah go on Jam, please explain this.

http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch16s03.php

In the past general law divided defamation into two categories - libel and slander.

The 'anti-Semitism' claim which led to her suspension seems to be backfiring on the Jewish Labour Movement, who have come under increased fire from several other Jewish groups with political affiliation to Labour. The JLM have been exposed as a pro-Israel organisation, which positions itself as the 'Jewish voice' within Labour, which many other Jewish Labour members are vehemently opposed to. Whilst the JLM has roots in the history of the traditional Labour Movement, it seems it's become a vehicle for right-wing supporters of the vile Israeli regime, and one which advocates the forced removal of Palestinians to make way for illegal settlements in the West Bank. The JLM are desperate to do anything which will damage Corbyn, as they know their position within Labour (which they exploit for their own ends, they have little concern with the core principles of the Labour Party) will very likely become untenable. They used the recent Cable Street Memorial rally as an opportunity to protest against Corbyn (who was speaking there), and were met with a lot of opposition from many Jewish people who were present.

Jackie Walker has done absolutely nothing wrong. The campaign against her is an absolute disgrace.

This.

Everyone in the world should read [url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/1781685614/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477389240&sr=8-1&keywords=the+holocaust+industry ]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/1781685614/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477389240&sr=8-1&keywords=the+holocaust+industry[/url] to understand how the term "anti-semitism" has been weaponised by the Israeli lobby to silence debate.

"I think it's fair to say we see things quite differently"

I think it's fair to say that most of us tend to look at the actual facts that exist, and make up our own minds based on that evidence. A methodology that pretty much forms the basis of the entire Law and Justice system.

You appear to do things somewhat differently...

I'd say the majority on this thread so far understand that distinction, Devash?

to understand how the term "anti-semitism" has been weaponised by the Israeli lobby to silence debate.

A good quote from a Rabbi was 'We used to call people who didn't like us Ant-Semites, now we just call people we don't like Anti-Semites'...

Trivialsing the issue from the usual suspects

No she ls not a practicng Jew. She is not even a "non-practing" Jew. She is not Jewish. Her mother was from the Carribean and her father was Jewish. Unless she converts (which she did not do) she is not Jewish. Her father left when she was 2 so she had no Jewish infouence in her upbringing and its also easy to see where her anti-Senitism would come from.

She uses her Jewish "heritage" as a smokescreen fir her racism

She is a long term serial offender. She had only just returned from a suspension for anti-Semitism (for spreading anti-Semitic lie that Jews had been responsible for the slave trade by financing it) when she rolled into the JLM lead training session on anti-Semitism (ie they where trying to do something positive) and proceeded to spread more lies and disinformation (which she subsequently tried to wriggle out of with a fake "apology")

Nothing she did or said in regard of the suspensions had anything to do with Israel

The "slave trade financing" is something the anti-Semitic campaigners have used to infiltrate the US Black Lives Matter campaign in order to encourage them to support the BDS movement (widely regarded in many countries as antiSemitic)

Hence she was removed as co-xhair of Momentum but remains on its steering committee. Is was for these repeat offences she was suspended from Labour

If people wamt to read up the Home Affairs Committee report is online. All thes sessions are available (I have watched many hours if them). Shakrabati is in big trouble as despite her "no transaction" denial its clear she was told she was on a "recommended" list for a peerage before her whitewash / coverup report

The remarks she made about Holocaust Memorial Day where so obviously a lie, anyone who has attended an event or read an agenda would see the Day recognises all Holocausts. I have attended a number over the years including one witj senior UN representatives which was 70% focused on non-Jewish events (Rwanda, Armenia, Screbneicia ..)

What injustice has Walker suffered ?

Trivialsing the issue from the usual suspects

Oh the ironing!

Biscuits?
Popcorn?

I'm whisking up some batter for Waffles with maple syrup... plus, The Comfy Chair...

Shes a practicing Jew with a Jewish husband, how much more Jewish do you want her to be?

Jamb, dude, you really need to unsubscribe from those Hasbara mail lists...

Shes a practicing Jew with a Jewish husband, how much more Jewish do you want her to be?

Does she endlessly post about anti-Semitic Labour party members on cycling forums? If not, she may as well be Catholic.

"anti-semitism" has been weaponised by the Israeli lobby to silence debate.

Isn't that the truth...

Israel has got the Western World by the balls with that. Forget their appalling record on human rights, their death squads and their land grabbing - one negative word and it's wails of gas chambers and anti-Semitism.

"No she ls not a practicng Jew. She is not even a "non-practing" Jew. She is not Jewish. Her mother was from the Carribean and her father was Jewish. Unless she converts (which she did not do) she is not Jewish. Her father left when she was 2 so she had no Jewish infouence in her upbringing and its also easy to see where her anti-Senitism would come from."

Of dear. Now you're denying her the right to chose her own identity? So, despite her having actual Jewish heritage, she doesn't have the right to identify with that culture at all?

Wow.

She is a long term serial offender. She had only just returned from a suspension for anti-Semitism

She was reinstated after being found 'not guilty' by a committee of her peers. A comitte which investigated allegations of anti-Semitism, and found she had no case to answer.

"for spreading anti-Semitic lie that Jews had been responsible for the slave trade by financing it

Well, this article, in a leading Jewish publications, appears to disagree with you Jamba (there is no evidence anyone said that Jews were 'responsible' for the slave trade, merely that some Jewish traders were actively involved in it):

http://www.jewishjournal.com/articles/item/how_culpable_were_dutch_jews_in_the_slave_trade

"The remarks she made about Holocaust Memorial Day where so obviously a lie,"

She did not lie, as you accuse. She accepts she made a mistake in her use of language, and has issued a statement:

[i]“A number of people made comments in a private training session run by the Jewish Labour Movement. As we all know, training sessions are intended to be safe spaces where ideas and questions can be explored. A film of this session was leaked to the press unethically. I did not raise a question on security in Jewish schools. The trainer raised this issue and I asked for clarification, in particular as all London primary schools, to my knowledge, have security and I did not understand the particular point the trainer was making. Having been a victim of racism I would never play down the very real fears the Jewish community have, especially in light of recent attacks in France.

In the session, a number of Jewish people, including me, asked for definitions of antisemitism. This is a subject of much debate in the Jewish community. I support David Schneider’s definition and utterly condemn antisemitism.

I would never play down the significance of the Shoah. Working with many Jewish comrades, I continue to seek to bring greater awareness of other genocides, which are too often forgotten or minimised. If offence has been caused, it is the last thing I would want to do and I apologise.”[/i]

"What injustice has Walker suffered ?"

Well, we can start with the downright lies peddled by ignorant, hateful people like you, who are intent on undermining legitimate political debate, whilst advocating support for a vile regime which operates a fascistic system of racial apartheid, and one which causes suffering to millions of innocent people, as well as denying them the right to cultural and political identity, the right of self-determination and freedom of movement.

Time you took your hateful invective elsewhere, Jamba.

plague and houses springs to mind.

@jambayla...I hope you can defend, provide evidence and give reasons for such vitriolic words as "Jackie Walker is a vile and agressive anti-semite". Your statement is a massive slur on someones character.

She's been suspended twice for anti-semitism in the last 6 months, how about that for a start ?

She's a career anti-Semite. Why when you've been suspended for anti-Semitism and just reinstated in time for the Labour Party Conference would you walk into a training session to address anti-Semitism grab the mic and start causing massive offense to the extent you are banned again ?

If she was a practicing Jew (my Jewish friends tell me she is not and as she has not converted she is absolutely not Jewish) surely she would know that Holocaust Memorial Day recognises many different faiths and people's. As soon as she opened her mouth at the JLM event this was pointed out to her.

Jambalaya, SHE says she's Jewish, that's good enough. For you to assert otherwise is plain racist, pure and simple. And ironically, it's probably antisemetic too, if we could agree on a workable definition...

She's a career anti-Semite.

Got any actual anti-semitic quotes from her?

Jambalaya, SHE says she's Jewish, that's good enough.

Never knew it worked like that.

"She's been suspended twice for anti-semitism in the last 6 months, how about that for a start ?"

Suspended. She was reinstated following the first round of allegations against her. It's likely she'll be reinstated once more after this farce has been shown up for what it is; yet another part of the insidious right-wing attack on Labour and Corbyn, and the repeated attempts by the proIsrael lobby to discredit and demonise the UK Left.

"my Jewish friends tell me"

Funny, because MY Jewish friends see her as Jewish. They'd also see your attempts to deny her right to chose her own cultural identity, as deeply offensive, and yes, racist.

"She's a career anti-Semite."

If you have actual evidence of this, beyond the slurs hurled around by the JLM, then by all means, present it.

The longer you dwell on this forum, Jamba, the more you reveal yourself as a particularly right-wing revisionist zealot. Notice how not one single person has actually defended anything you've said, or posted anything which would substantiate or reinforce your own opinions? That's because the majority of people on here are capable of seeing the facts for themselves. You are clearly as aware of these facts as anyone, yet you chose to deliberately adopt a particularly antagonistic stance, merely to provoke. You seem incapable of presenting any valid argument when challenged, chiefly, I believe, because you have none.

It's time you accepted you are neither correct, nor any sort of 'authority' on pretty much any of the topics you chose to comment on on this forum. If you do truly believe in what you say, which I somewhat doubt, as you are clearly at least reasonably intelligent, then you are very, very deluded. And in a very small minority, which does not have any sort of social consensus. So stop thinking you do. And start listening to, and respecting other peoples' opinions. If you wish to debate issues such as this, then do so in a respectful manner; respectful of the facts and truth. Otherwise people will continue to view you as a reactionary mouthpiece for hateful rhetoric.

Jambalaya, SHE says she's Jewish, that's good enough. For you to assert otherwise is plain racist, pure and simple.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism

Which is also probably true about what she says I.e there are nuances, she is an experienced political operator and will be careful that she doesn't explicitly cross any line regardless of the actual message she is trying to send

She is probably got the same certainty of view that means Ken can't stop mentioning you know who

For you to assert otherwise is plain racist, pure and simple.

Well he has good form on that one!

I think we need to hear Ken Livingstones opinion on this sensitive issue

Notice how not one single person has actually defended anything you've said, or posted anything which would substantiate or reinforce your own opinions? That's because the majority of people on here are capable of seeing the facts for themselves.

Can you provide your peer reviewed dataset on this please

It's time you accepted you are neither correct, nor any sort of 'authority' on pretty much any of the topics you chose to comment on on this forum

Can I put my hand up for this as well, the wife confirms I am always wrong and the I am an authority on nothing

Do I have to stop posting now? Or can I post if I conform to your "authority" on an issue?

"Never knew it worked like that."

It doesn't. Only an idiot would think that it does.

SHE says she's Jewish, that's good enough

Funniest thing I have heard all day, usually avoid these bunfight threads but that's comedy gold.

"Can you provide your peer reviewed dataset on this please"

😆

"Can I put my hand up for this as well, the wife confirms I am always wrong and the I am an authority on nothing"

Your wife is correct. Any view contrary to this is wrong. 😀

But you knew that anyway...

Be careful what you write

The longer you dwell on this forum, Jamba, the more you reveal yourself as a particularly right-wing revisionist[b] zealot[/b].

zealot
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a person who shows zeal.
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an excessively zealous person; fanatic.
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(initial capital letter) a member of a radical, warlike, ardently patriotic group of Jews in Judea, particularly prominent from a.d. 69 to 81, advocating the violent overthrow of Roman rule and vigorously resisting the efforts of the Romans and their supporters to heathenize the Jews.

But you knew that anyway.

Isn't language a wonderful thing?

Glad to amuse. Okay, I'll qualify 'She says she's Jewish', with; and she backs that up by stating that her father is/was Jewish and her mother is/was of Sephardi Jewish descent. If she (and her partner) identify themselves as Jewish, who is anyone to argue? Genetics have proven that 'race' is pretty much a label that we apply to ourselves rather than having any actual basis in true difference anyway, so how on earth could Jamby be more qualified to say whether or not she's Jewish than she is herself.

5thelephant; if you want to call yourself 'God of Thunder' there's nothing stoppping you. You're free to believe what you want.

The whole thing is just tribalism in fancy clothes anyway.

5thelephant; if you want to call yourself 'God of Thunder' there's nothing stoppping you. You're free to believe what you want.

Am I right that she has only been given suspension so will eventually be returned to the party?

Why can't she simply sit through the suspension then rejoin again at a later date?

Alternatively, why stick around when she can form her own party? She can then do whatever her party wishes.

Yes, form her own party to challenge the prevailing norm.

What will the money be used for?