[Closed] I'm an England fan and heart broken today ....

Well done fantastic, you have chosen the right thread to express your views on.

I is confused.

How is voting to leave a cross border political union racist?

I don't think I ever heard so much crap spouted on here and that is saying something.

Spoke to the boss of our local Turkish barbers yesterday and told him that I was glad he was here - small things

I think THM wins the interweb with that post.
Shirley he can't be serious?

Why would he give a flying **** that some patronising middle class bloke "is glad he was here"?

Why are glad he's here? So you can get a shave done by someone earning minimum wage?

Besides he's Turkish, what has that go to do with the UK leaving the EU?

I voted out.

I am not a racist.

I work for a multi national company with a large European presence.

Currently on an overseas project with 6 or 7 different nationalities. Majority of whom have congratulated the UK on leaving the EU.

It's not really about "Johnny Foreigner".

Go back to your Guardian's and leave the rest of us who can be bothered to get on with earning a living anywhere in the World we want to.

I take it your a racist enfht.

Correct, but his more defining characteristic is being a ****.

But I care not because they lost.

Maybe partition is the way forward, like India.

Split the country into those who believe whatever is painted on a big red bus, and those who don't.

Writeyson's racist post was promptly deleted but my 'racist' posts remain, so STW must also be racist. 😆 Keep zapping those lasers boys.

Keep zapping those lasers boys.

I'm surprised anyone still has any of their pre-ban stock of legal highs left, but stocks must be running low by now.

Twitch, twitch, tick, tick.

Go back to your Guardian's and leave the rest of us who can be bothered to get on with earning a living anywhere in the World we want to.

Congrats.

The post where the Internet was won and lost.

I is confused.

Clearly

Why would he give a flying **** that some patronising middle class bloke "is glad he was here"?

Try watching news at ten and you might understand. Plus he shook my hand, smiled and said thank you. He could have been taking the piss mind. What do you reckon?

Why are glad he's here? So you can get a shave done by someone earning minimum wage?

Because (1) I believe in the freedom of movement; (2) I am neither xenophobic nor racist; (3) the haircut and wet shave is "head and shoulders" above any of the competition; (4) he and his colleagues are nice guys - is that enough for you?

Besides he's Turkish, what has that go to do with the UK leaving the EU?

Somebody told me there were a load more coming - the advance party have done a good job, so no need to worry

It's not really about "Johnny Foreigner".

Of course, who mentioned him. It was about #fakecontrol wasn't it?

Go back to your Guardian's and leave the rest of us who can be bothered to get on with earning a living anywhere in the World we want to.

Ah freedom of movement - how very apt. Its a good idea isnt it?

I voted out.
I am not a racist.
I work for a multi national company with a large European presence.
Currently on an overseas project with 6 or 7 different nationalities. Majority of whom have congratulated the UK on leaving the EU.
It's not really about "Johnny Foreigner".
Go back to your Guardian's and leave the rest of us who can be bothered to get on with earning a living anywhere in the World we want to.

Nobody said you were & there's no need to mock.

What has been said & I think is difficult to argue with is that there will be racists who will be encouraged to speak & act on those beliefs with more vigour than they may have ever mustered before.

That would certainly impact on my choice of vote as it did, one of a number of things that influenced my choice to vote Remain.

I voted out..... and leave the rest of us who can be bothered to get on with earning a living anywhere in the World we want to.

...is why freedom of speech is SO valuable

Because (1) I believe in the freedom of movement; (2) I am neither xenophobic nor racist; (3) the haircut and wet shave is "head and shoulders" above any of the competition; (4) he and his colleagues are nice guys - is that enough for you?

What have any of those reasons got to do with being in or out of the EU?

Try watching news at ten and you might understand. Plus he shook my hand, smiled and said thank you. He could have been taking the piss mind. What do you reckon?

As you ask, I reckon he was thinking "smug twunt".

Ah freedom of movement - how very apt. Its a good idea isn't it?

It is. I travel and work all over the World. Never had much of a problem getting into foreign countries, apart from an occasional queue at immigration. Sometimes in shorter queues in non-EU than in EU airports. Sometimes I have to apply for a visa in advance. Not an issue really.

Never had much of a problem getting into foreign countries

Just in case you weren't aware - it's not about *visiting* different countries, it's about *living and working* in them. When your current job won't send you to them.

Hmm, freedom of movement and the EU. Give me a while........it will come to me.

I also travel and work all over the world and would hate to restrict such opportunities to others. That would be....

...tell you what, you work on that one, while I think about that freedom of movement puzzler.

As above I don't have a problem in gaining entry to work in other Countries, might have to go through some process to get there, so what?

Although I live in the UK, I know and work with a lot of people who live in Countries other than the ones they were born in.

Hmm, freedom of movement and the EU. Give me a while........it will come to me.

I also travel and work all over the world and would hate to restrict such opportunities to others. That would be....

...tell you what, you work on that one, while I think about that freedom of movement puzzler.

So are you advocating complete Global freedom of movement? No borders, no visas, no passports? A Global "Schengan"? or just for the Countries we like?

Now that is a puzzler.

Safety pin - like it.

I hope you're deliberately obtuse, gobuchul. Otherwise...

Wtf? Why was my post deemed racist and why was it removed and reported? It was clearly the opposite???? Some one report this post so the mods can explain please!

So are you advocating complete Global freedom of movement? No borders, no visas, no passports? A Global "Schengan"? or just for the Countries we like?

Are you really such a dumbass or are you just trying really hard to look like one?

I know and work with a lot of people who live in Countries other than the ones they were born in.

Your mistake is assuming that because those people have moved from their country to this, that means that everyone from any country can move to this one.

I've actually looked into this, and freedom of movement is NOT open to everyone from outside the EU. People need a way in - and the ways are specific to their situations. I've known three Americans living in the UK - they all married Brits. They couldn't just come over.

EU freedom of movement on the other hand allows EU citizens to just travel and look for work in your *choice* of EU country.

Are you really such a dumbass or are you just trying really hard to look like one?

I obviously am.

I am sorry.

If he isn't proposing complete freedom of movement what is he proposing? Please explain?

...and now the thread's dragged into the mire. Well done everyone, you must be proud.

Bollocks to this thread, flounce mode is about to be fully engaged after I've also received a pissing email from the mods! ,I just want to know why I'm a racist when clearly anyone who's ever seen my posts before knows I'm not. And as a racist I really wouldn't have voted in would I?

And as a racist I really wouldn't have voted in would I?

Unless you're one of those clever racists who voted remain just to fool us!

...as an aside, this forum is going to the dogs of late.

Casual racist comment from postie. I say nothing as I want my post delivered. So it starts, I'm a collaborator. Farage will be in No 10 this time next year with blackshirts on the streets soon after. What a mess.

Some one report this post so the mods can explain please!

they e-mail you to explain why

if you ask nicely they may engage but i can see why they dont bother though sometimes I appeal - it has never worked so far.

I have not read the thread

What did u post wrightyson?

I'm ordering one hundred 'Timmy Time Safety Pins' if anyone wants one.

Why? Is it because no-one laughed* the first time?

*with you, anyhow

I'm liable to get the Banhammer if I discuss it. I'm quoted third of the way down the last page if you can be arsed to go back. Anyway **** it, I'm flouncing, not happy.

If Wrightyson gets banned, can efhnt join him?

Just for balance, like.

You do realise that being against the scum who abuse people who aren't white English isn't exclusive to Remain voters, enfht? You are also allowed to feel that way if you voted Leave. However if you support such people then that would make earlier character assessments accurate.

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If Wrightyson gets banned there should be a whole load before him...

Slow clap

@Wrightyson Christ that's a harsh response to what you posted, if you had posted a winking or roll eyes smiley then perhaps it would have been taken in the context it was meant

@ Wrighty.... I dazu the same worth regards to immigrants in Germany....

Imagine a land full of Germans... Humourless, pünktlich, stock-im-arsch, no one ever saying thank you for holding a door, people pushing to get on the train before you can get off.....

#savewrightyson

I'm with wrightyson, I think his comment's been misinterpreted.

Others on here, I'm most definitely not with, but just to be clear

How is voting to leave a cross border political union racist?

It isn't. Voting to leave, or celebrating the leave result because you then think it then gives you an excuse to abuse and attack people who you think have no right to be here - that is. And continuing to align yourself with leave without actively dissociating yourself from others on that side with those racist views; it might not be right but you risk getting tarred by the same brush.

I'm a Villa fan. Now you all know how it feels.

And continuing to align yourself with leave without actively dissociating yourself from others on that side with those racist views; it might not be right but you risk getting tarred by the same brush.

Seriously? Come on!

"It might not be right", a bit of an understatement?

Isn't that statement very similar to the calls for the "Muslim Community" to condemn the actions of Muslim extremists?

gobuchal I have looked into emigrating to other non EU countries and I do not meet the points criteria to do so. But as long as you have the right degree then that's fine, an "old school tie" approach to migration suits you why care about the majority. Personally I prefer the EU system.

I do advocate a global free movement system, it will take a very very long time to achieve, the EU has made a blueprint that one day I would hope the whole world will follow, but it can't happen overnight it has to be worked on. Those that are arguing that the EU system is racist because it does not include nations outside the agreement are being pathetically obtuse.

So are you advocating complete Global freedom of movement? No borders, no visas, no passports? A Global "Schengan"?

Hmm. Anything else is hard to find a moral justification for. Why should you and I live lives of luxury just because of an accident of birth, while others live in misery? And "That's The Way It Is" is not really an answer.

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This was 26 Years ago, I'm guessing most people in the UK at that time had never met a Pole, Hungarian or Romanian. How the world has changed for the better.
#SmallerWorld

Seriously? Come on!

"It might not be right", a bit of an understatement?

Yes, seriously. Polls have shown that immigration was a significant factor in whether people were likely to vote leave, despite what Gove might say (oops, another lie Michael). The anti-immigrant activity is substantially up since the result handed a perceived mandate to this bigot faction of the Leave side.

Isn't that statement very similar to the calls for the "Muslim Community" to condemn the actions of Muslim extremists?

Is it a problem to ask people to condemn terrorist or racist attacks, when to not do so will be taken as tacit acceptance? Do you condemn them?

What would you have done if you'd been on that tram in Manchester yesterday. Defended the guy being attacked? Asked your fellow passengers to join with you in defending him? Stood by and let it happen? Or join in with the racists?

If you're 3, are you really 4 but don't want to be seen as what you are?

Isn't that statement very similar to the calls for the "Muslim Community" to condemn the actions of Muslim extremists?

In the context of the thread I read Wrightyson's comment and immediately thought of all the the great things that other peoples have contributed to England to make it the place it is. These flashed through my mind;

Carnivals
10 different types of restaurant along a high street
10 different types of shop along the high street
Varied and exciting music
Varied styles of dress and hair cuts
Varied people

If thinking England would be dull with just English people and constitutes racism please ban me mods.

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