[Closed] I'm about to be screwed... the question is how hard? THC content content.

Plenty of people still think driving close to the current English limit of alcohol is fine. The evidence of simulated driving tests and incident reports clearly demonstrates otherwise.

You claim to be ‘fine’ driving with a measurable amount of THC in your bloodstream - more than the proscribed limits of the driving authorities you agreed to comply with when you drove.

What makes your knowledge better than theirs?

This week, I have to ride my motorbike through Bavaria and share the road with you and people with the same attitude. It doesn’t make me feel safe.

Rachel

Hopefully you'll be treated sensibly; I see little point in criminalising people for using a substance that is less harmful than tobacco or alcohol, but I don't approve of the potential for driving under any kind of influence.

The number of times I get that skunk smell while riding from a car with open windows is not fun at all.

@ Rachel... Where abouts? Some nice roads.

Don't worry about me. I'm at work at the Oktoberfest which fortunately is a five minute bike ride from me.

@ crikey... Agreed. Despite smoking I'm not keen on the idea of someone high driving.

What makes your knowledge better than theirs?

He can ride his bike faster than his mates.

I think drug use is much wider than most people appreciate.

From my circle of friends/acquaintances I know more people who take something regularly or occasionally than I do people who are model citizens. Maybe that says more about me than the population as a whole. I think in the UK the percentage of users was higher than it is in Germany in my experience.

Just to point out, psychoactive THC gets metabolised into a non-psychoactive form (THC-COOH) which is what hangs around in the body. Having THC-COOH in your system doesn't necessarily mean you are high or coming down, it just means you have smoked at some point. So not the same as the conventional BAC measure.

As a habitual user, alpin could test positive days after smoking, never mind the next day as in this c

Be interesting to see want the blood test looks for. (Edit: I should pay more attention - is already been said it's active THC).

From my circle of friends/acquaintances I know more people who take something regularly or occasionally than I do people who are model citizens. Maybe that says more about me than the population as a whole.

You're probably associating with like-minded souls. I can probably count on one hand the number people I know who are regular users of illegal substances. (Of course, I could know plenty who do it in secret and would never know.)

Oh no - Rachel's safe space has been breached!

20 hours without a smoke you are not inebriated in any sense of the word and only ignorant bigots would think otherwise.

Driving under the influence of 'legal' prescription drugs are a big problem and currently no road-side tests.

You have nothing to feel guilty about Alpin, good luck.

You have nothing to feel guilty about Alpin

i thought he broke the law and potentially will be banned from driving? 😯

I think drug use is much wider than most people appreciate.

I'm very aware of how wide spread it is.

You're probably associating with like-minded souls.

Yup that's certainly part of it.

Thanks torsionalake and enfht....

Yes, two types of THC floating around....from what I can make out they test for the residue in the fat cells, i.e. Not the stuff causing you to be high.

My head is currently a massive ****ed up space. Off to a wedding now. Was planning on having a smoke or two to get me through the several hour long Catholic blah blah blah,but that ain't happening now.
Lost all my appetite, too.

sounds like your not in control. The weed has control of you if you need several to get you through.

Thought about getting some help? Or was the forum post part of that?

Interesting in one post you said that there's no way for the punter to know how strong the weed is. This being true why risk it and drive?

It's akin to having a drink but no idea of the alcohol content.

It may have metabolised fully by the time the test was done or you may read way over. You felt fine though, I bet hardened drinkers feel the same after 4 pints still wouldn't want them driving.

There's a limit why risk it?

I'll be honest I hope they throw the book at you. You deserve everything you get. Don't bother responding i don't plan on wasting anymore of my precious time on this thread

At every wedding I've been to its expected and encouraged that you get properly pissed...

I know that here in Eire the courts and RSA cannot apply points to Uk licences for speed offence's.A reciprocle arrangement was never agreed and is less likely to be now post brexit.
As for other things like bans ,not sure .
But i'm keeping my Uk licence for the foreseeable.

There does seem to be an element of "it's dope, so it's OK" in the responses here. If you came on here with the same story but over the limit for alcohol instead of dope, you'd be crucified.....smacks of double standards

Hard luck Alpin.
Get legal representation. Hope it works out for you.

smacks of double standards

Trendy middle class double standards of course...

THey should introduce it as a "driving aid" over here; might slow some of the idiots down.

Using a phone whilst driving also doesn't appear to be illegal; I'm sure that has more of an effect on reaction times/concentration levels than a spliff 20 hours ago.

Where I ride n Bristol, there is an area which frequently has cars parked up with people having a smoke.
Strikes me as odd, why drive off somewhere for a smoke? Because you can't do it at home for some reason perhaps? Why drive? Just go for a walk?
I wouldn't drive to a pub if I was planning on having a drink Btw.

I used to ride commute into Edinburgh the number of cars which passed with a heavy smell of dope was worrying a few would turn into the eri hopefully visitors not staff.

I suspect random drug tests at say... the BBC, or any national newspaper... on a Monday morning would be revealing.

crikey - Member

I can't help but feel you're getting a very easy ride from the STW 'cool' kids, one would assume that if it had been a drink drive issue you may not have the same.

Because it [i]isn't[/i] the same, quite simply. Driving after being under the influence of drugs should be treated the same as driving after being under the influence of alcohol.

I think what might be causing confusion is the positive test; but as's been discussed, here it is not really a valuable test for inebriation. It's a little bit like doing a kidney function test on a driver- yes you could well find that they drink too much but it tells you nothing about whether it affected their driving.

I think what might be causing confusion is the positive test; but as's been discussed, here it is not really a valuable test for inebriation. It's a little bit like doing a kidney function test on a driver- yes you could well find that they drink too much but it tells you nothing about whether it affected their driving.

Are we talking about the breath test?

Kidney function tests won't tell you anything about how much people drink...

In my experience people who are habitual users of cannabis regard it as insignificant in terms of its effects, which is exactly what habitual drinkers think.

Driving under the influence of 'legal' prescription drugs are a big problem and currently no road-side tests. You have nothing to feel guilty about Alpin, good luck.

This is plain ignorant.
Anything which could impair your ability to drive, including, using your phone, lack of attention, popping candy or whatever is illegal. If you are deemed to be under the influence or impaired by any "medication" legal or otherwise. The law can be specifically applied to deal with you as if you were pissed, incompetent or both.
He has everything to be and feel guilty about after having clearly stated he quite possibly has THC in his system at a level classified against the law.
No wonder there are so many Muppets whizzing around oblivious to their surroundings.
The very act of smoking dope puts you in a mind frame where you think..."Hey, I'm cool, don't sweat about it man." That comfortably numbed belligerence is what pisses me off.

Drac - Moderator

Are we talking about the breath test?

There hasn't been a breath test as far as I can see?

crikey - Member

Kidney function tests won't tell you anything about how much people drink...

Scuse me, typo, I should have said liver. But I think it's pretty obvious the point I was making; this is a test for consumption, it's not a test for inebriation, it's functionally different from alcohol level blood testing. They've proved he consumed cannabis, which he doesn't dispute; they've not proved that it impaired his driving.

If he was driving under the influence, throw the book at him, fine. But you have no reason to think that, and the tone of most people's response reflects that. It's not the same as advocating driving while stoned.

Mr Suck: dont let your prejudice get in the way of the truth :/

But I think it's pretty obvious the point I was making; this is a test for consumption, it's not a test for inebriation.

I accept that without issue, but the casual use of cannabis as a lifestyle adjunct will expose the user to situations like alpin is in; he has no insight into how obtunded his reactions are because he's probably always a wee bit stoned. Ok if you're a carpenter ( finger tips notwithstanding), but how would you feel about soldiers being the same, or surgeons, or others?

He has everything to be and feel guilty about after having clearly stated he quite possibly has THC in his system at a level classified against the law.

Do people on here actually think that could be any significant impairment to your coordination and reactions the day AFTER smoking a joint? Really?

because he's probably always a wee bit stoned.

Sorry but that's BS.

It's as bad as the drink driving threads where people said they wouldn't drive at all the next day after having 3 or 4 pints the night before.

Do the same people not drive when they have a cold or don't change the radio once they are driving?

Mr Suck: dont let your prejudice get in the way of the truth :/

I don't think he's being prejudiced - I think he quite clearly stated that if you are under the influence of something that impairs your judgement whilst in charge of machinery then you can expect to be punished if caught.

I don't think that's prejudice, rather a quite clear statement of the law.

Now whether alpin was impaired I cannot say, but if the authorities have a limit & he exceeds it...well, actions have consequences. That's really all there is to say on it really.

alpin will just have to suck it up!

My fear is that I smoked 3 doobies yesterday, and at least once everyday (if not more) for the past 2 weeks.

Sorry but that's BS.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

crikey - Member

he has no insight into how obtunded his reactions are because he's probably always a wee bit stoned.

That's quite an assertion.

My fear is that I smoked 3 doobies yesterday, and at least once everyday (if not more) for the past 2 weeks.

...

...I'm not criticising him for it, but being realistic is helpful.

My fear is that I smoked 3 doobies yesterday, and at least once everyday (if not more) for the past 2 weeks.
Sorry but that's BS.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

What is your case?

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You keep reposting that but it really doesn't support your argument that he's "probably always a little bit stoned". You just seem to want to cast aspersions without providing any real basis, and you rested your case after not actually making a case at all, so...

As others have said, the problem with testing for cannabis is a very blunt instrument as the test is for metabolites, rather than whether you are under the influence or not, my understanding is that all a test proves is that you have consumed it at some point within the last few weeks. You certainly don't stay high/impaired for a few weeks.

mountainman - Member
I know that here in Eire the courts and RSA cannot apply points to Uk licences for speed offence's.A reciprocle arrangement was never agreed and is less likely to be now post brexit.
As for other things like bans ,not sure .
But i'm keeping my Uk licence for the foreseeable.

Do people on here actually think that could be any significant impairment to your coordination and reactions the day AFTER smoking a joint? Really?

Not followed the thread so only stating a fact

Pretty sure tests on pilots found this 24 hours after one joint.
Not followed the thread so only stating a fact

Any evidence for this Junkyfact?

Crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes - This is of course arbitrary in light of the current laws - I'd say driving stoned is stupid - The reality though is that many people from many walks of life do activities that require complex levels of spacial awareness and athletism to a top flight level whilst stoned.. So maybe the wider debate should be more focused on the socio-political nuances of prohibition?

yes but seeing as you asked so nicely find it yourself 😉

Wow 15 seconds on google later

TOP TIP: You could have googled just as easily as you got shitty
I dont make shit up on here and if i am wrong on factual matters I will accept it.
I am sure you will follow this lead as you seem the charming factual friendly type
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