if the independence thing goes wrong, for any reason, in the future.
will scotland be let back in?
Nope. We'll chip it off and sink it.
Our Glorious Leader says No!
No, we'll build a big viewing platform at the Carter bar, like on the Korean DMZ
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where we can all point and laugh 😀
More importantly, is the rest of the UK prepared to bail them out of the shit when King Salmond has spent all of the money he doesn't have?
No, we'll have built a wall higher than as Salmonds ego, no chance of climbing that.
No - it's a union not the hokey-cokey.
It's very unlikely to go 'pear shaped'
If they do vote yes, I reckon they'll either be a bit better off or a bit worse off, that's all.
I really can't see a total collapse
will the M6 have a massive toll to travel north of carlisle? like an english tax.
No, we'll have built a wall higher than as Salmonds ego, no chance of climbing that.
Not possible, it's a bit like the universe. Massive, but no one has any real idea of just how massive, and impossible to quantify.
There is no chance of a yes vote now call me Dave has played his trump card by declaring how heart broken he'll be if we have to break up the 'family'. 🙄
will scotland be let back in?
Over Mel Gibson's dead body.
Hope not.
But I think they should take the opportunity as there has been so much hatred through the years with the Scotish against the English. So I would like them to vote yes and try it alone.
It can't really be yes - I mean even if they squeak it 53/47 or something you can't form a country on that basis, it's not even an electoral majority.
Most independence referenda pass with crushing majorities, like 90% plus, because they're called in response to major events and changing circumstance. This one has been called in response to no events of any significance whatsoever, so it can't be expected to enable such big changes.
More importantly, is the rest of the UK prepared to bail them out of the shit when King Salmond has spent all of the money he doesn't have?
Not again.
Anyway the pretend revenues from the shortbread mines that they don't have will make Scotland the new [s]Iceland[/s], err [s]Greece[/s]. err Shangri-La.
They will only be allowed back in if they promise to stop saying such hurtful things about us all, and to tell us the secret recipe for deep fried mars bars.
We can build a Game of Thrones Wall and keep the Wildings out...
What again? 1707 all over?
http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/scotlandshistory/unioncrownsparliaments/dariencolony/index.asp
There is a link on the BBC website which asks 'What might a Scottish defence force look like?'
I had a vision of hundreds of men in kilts wielding claymores and playing bagpipes coming over the hill... Scary!
What, like last time it happened?
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme ]Darien Scheme[/url]
Nah, the Chinese will just outbid us for anything of value next time.
Smaller countries will be easy pickings, the rest of the UK is pretty defenceless as it is even as part of the E.U.
Scotland would need an actual leader to defend itself when they buy up B.P. along with the refinery/tech companies/etc and bleed the profits away out of their economy.
I'm not sure Salmond would be up to the challenge. Which is what I'd be more worried about if I was north of the border, if they want to go it alone, good for them, I hope it works out, but to bet it on going smoothly with Salmond at the helm! 😯
I'd be crapping myself as the Vultures circled, playing at the big table you'd want to bring your best, the rest of the world might be all smiles to your face but they're guaranteed to be looking at your weak spots and eying up the family silver.
And Salmond reckons he can do regime change in a year? Yeah, good luck with that. History tends to say that sort of thing goes really smoothly. 😉
Lets say it is a yes vote, and lets say (hypothetically as said above i dont really see it happening) it did go tits up, why the hell would RUK bail them out when they've made their feelings known with the vote........
why the hell would RUK bail them out when they've made their feelings known with the vote
We could take them back as slaves?
It's not gonna happen, there just is not the economy to support Scotland, The sooner that the Scots recognize that "Scottish" translates to "Subject of the English", the better.
if it did go yes vote, then it should pan out like the film "Doomsday (2008)"....
Wat we gonna do about Fort Bill???
J450n - only been on here a week and feeling the bitterness already?.
😆tomhoward - Member
No, we'll have built a wall higher than as Salmonds ego, no chance of climbing that.
Not possible, it's a bit like the universe. Massive, but no one has any real idea of just how massive, and impossible to quantify.
Anyone read Charles Stross' [i]Halting State[/i]? It posits a Scotland after independence, as part of a story involving money laundering through on-line AD&D MMORG games. Terrific fun.
Scotland would need an actual leader to defend itself when they buy up B.P. along with the refinery/tech companies/etc and bleed the profits away out of their economy.
The way the strong English leadership has defended the UK car industry so that the profits from automotive manufacuring don't get....?
Anyway, there are more important things to discuss, ton, stop fannying about with this nonsense, get yourself up here and enjoy yourself - the weather's looking fine just now.
I'll be standing at the boat club in Ft Bill with my blunderbuss charging you a fortune to get in!
No English notes will be accepted of course, just a snooty expression and a "What is that?"
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The way the strong English leadership has defended the UK car industry so that the profits from automotive manufacuring don't get....?
Exactly, just with much less of a position of strength and with a leader that doesn't like to cloud his dreams with details or reality (even more than the usual bunch in Westminster! ).
The Uk might have sold it's legs and is busy bleeding to death but it's big enough to take bigger people down with it so we are kept upright by the power of agreed denial. Scotland on the other hand.
Not so much.
If Salmond gets it wrong, Scotland gets hammered and globally no one will care.
I would put my mortgage on it being a NO vote
I would put my mortgage on it being a NO vote
Go on then?
I want to see that betting slip.
There seems to be a big presumption that the referendum is driven by anti Englishness. I've talked to dozens of people up here and anti Englishness don't feature at all. Of course we have anti English jokes just like you guys have anti Irish/Welsh/French/German/Scottish or just plain anti Jonny Foreigner jokes.
From up here it seems like Britain is a country that has closed all its industries and relies upon gambling on the stock market for survival. The part of the country that has benefited is the South East of the country; everybody else has been left to rot, so it appears.
There is a real groundswell of opinion up here that thinks the status quo stinks and thinks we could hardly do worse for ourselves.
There is some empathy for the part of England not in the SE that will get lumped with the status quo regardless.
Nae value in no down the bookies. Yes on the other hand - 3/1 last I saw. Anyone heaved on?
We don't need another Scotland thread so I'll jump in on this one.
If (as I am) you are English why do you want the Scots to stay?
For me I just know the separation will be an endless money pit and that we will just have loads of tit for tat policies of scorned lovers.
chickenman - MemberThere seems to be a big presumption that the referendum is driven by anti Englishness.
Brilliant conversation at the uni- man tells 3 people on a Yes stand that they're only pro-independence because they hate the english. 2 out of 3 Yes campaigners turn out to be english. Man accuses them of self-loathing.
If (as I am) you are English why do you want the Scots to stay?
Well, I'm half English, and I want them to stay. Mainly because I think that unity is better than division. A federal UK would be ideal, IMO, and if they leave we'll never get it.
Also I'm no fan of Tory governments, and having a bunch of my allies just bugger off and leave me to the wolves does make me a bit depressed.
From up here it seems like Britain is a country that has closed all its industries and relies upon gambling on the stock market for survival.
Don't be ridiculous. You're reading too much hysterical media by the looks of things. For a start, we have manufacturing. But whilst we are a service-based economy, that doesn't mean financial gambling.
I work in a service industry - I help people get their shit done, it's very productive.
Haha! Classic NW!
Bloody walloper.
Brilliant conversation at the uni- man tells 3 people on a Yes stand that they're only pro-independence because they hate the english. 2 out of 3 Yes campaigners turn out to be english. Man accuses them of self-loathing.
😀
Remarkably like a phone call I had from a shouty woman a few days ago.
my great grandad was from aberdeen. so i have a bit of scotland in me. it it is heritage which i dont want to see destroyed.
Hmmm Mols: Strikes me you need to supply something that people abroad want to buy and that brings money into peoples pockets rather than people here who buy services and the money comes from where?
Of course we'll let them back in, we're pussies! Just like now we're giving them what they wanted in the first place, DevoMax!
The whole thing is a massive f-up. I just don't understand how any more devolved powers is fair on the rest of the UK. Should just be stay or go, end of.
I effing hate politicians!
Of course we'll let them back in, we're pussies! Just like now we're giving them what they wanted in the first place, DevoMax!The whole thing is a massive f-up. I just don't understand how any more devolved powers is fair on the rest of the UK. Should just be stay or go, end of.
Wouldn't worry yourself, it's probably a lie to try and sway a few voters
I'm already building a camouflage fat bike for cross-border raiding.
Northwind - Member
Brilliant conversation at the uni- man tells 3 people on a Yes stand that they're only pro-independence because they hate the english. 2 out of 3 Yes campaigners turn out to be english. Man accuses them of self-loathing.
That's amazing, that's five people I know who have exactly the same conversation. Some coincidence, hey? 😉
Hmmm Mols: Strikes me you need to supply something that people abroad want to buy and that brings money into peoples pockets
Why?
