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Does it make you die a bit from lack of energy intake if you don't eat meat?
[i]Solo - just eat the chips![/i]
Dude !, I haven't foresaken the chip, forever.
Perish the thought 😯
Last night was just an exercise in self discipline, like exercising a muscle, perhaps ?.
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[i]How close is the iDiet to having a full blown eating disorder?
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Thats a bit tough TSY, not your style.
Please bare the Lurkers in mind.
And anyway, I'm not fully iDiet anymore, I is now on my own Hybrid thingy.
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In other news, while I normally have Fridays off, even though I'm at work today.... ITS FRIDAY !, Yay !
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It's not meant to be harsh Solo, but I do find it interesting that some of the comments we make as iDieters are very close to those made by people suffering from anorexia etc. I would actually like to open an honest debate on eating disorders but can't do it with my username.
[i]It's not meant to be harsh Solo[/i]
No, thats right, I don't have you down as a forum [i]bad guy[/i]
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[i]I do find it interesting that some of the comments we make as iDieters are very close to those made by people suffering from anorexia etc. I would actually like to open an honest debate on eating disorders but can't do it with my username.
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Not sure about the use name thing, I'm probably missing something really obvious. Again.
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I do not see the [i]interest[/i] in debating the condition you refer to.
Debating on the STW forum is surely an exercise in rollercoaster ride, appreciation.
While having the flame thrower pilot flame gently wafting in your face, flickering in the draft, at the front of the carriage.
I hadn't even thought about eating disorders until you posted it.
I view my change in diet as part of a lifestyle change.
We can't escape the central role food plays in our day to day lives.
Big companies know this and have seduced many down the road to refined, processed carbs.
I felt that the iDiet, given freely here, just empowered me to make a different choice.
Its was the knowledge that was the pivotal issue.
Once I got my head around the insulin thing, it was, as I've posted before.
Like an awakening.
I was larger than I wanted to be, but was receiving misinformation about what to eat.
Then the iDiet came along and sorted all that.
Not by telling me what specifically to eat.
But just by helping me gain true focus and by allowing me to, for the first time, get a handle on what the body does with the food we are told is [i]healthy[/i].
Not sure how else to put it.
I carry this knowledge with me now, and combined with over one year experience of new food choices, I am receiving the [i]rewards[/i]
Furthermore, I do not feel the need to return to my previous food choices, as I really don't miss them.
Esp as now if I were to go on a grain/dairy food, choc binge.
I'd feel physically rubbish afterwards.
I'm happy with were I am now.
I can choose to eat a plate of chips and it will never bother me again, ever !.
I feel free from the burden of misinformed choice.
I eat as much as I'm comfortable to.
Never hungry between meals.
I've pretty much cut out bread / pasta etc apart from before a ride, eatignalot more slad, drinkinga buit less, less snacking. All that down to iDaveing.
Big companies know this and have seduced many down the road to refined, processed carbs.
Now that is conspiratorial nonsense I'm afraid.
Big companies sell us processed carbs because we love them. We've been hooked on bread since 10,000 BC or whenever it was, and potatoes and sugar since the 18th century. Well before big companies were around.
The Southern Yeti - Member
.....but I do find it interesting that some of the comments we make as iDieters are very close to those made by people suffering from anorexia etc. I would actually like to open an honest debate on eating disorders.....
Well, to be an iDiet candidate in the first place implies you already have a long term eating disorder doesn't it ?
No, hilldodger, it doesn't. You don't have to stuff your face with junk food to be 20lbs over racing snake weight.
This is an MTB forum, remember, most of us are not morbidly obese.
at what point does managing/controlling what you eat become an eating disorder?
molgrips - Member
No, hilldodger, it doesn't. You don't have to stuff your face with junk food to be 20lbs over racing snake weight.
Maybe, but judging by some of the iPosts 20lb over racing snake weight is wishful thinking for many 😉
a) don't judge or draw conclusions without enough evidence and
b) don't forget that the traditional advice for active people or athletes was to eat lots of carbs...
c) your username doesn't exactly make you sound like a committed athlete now does it? 🙂
at what point does managing/controlling what you eat become an eating disorder?
mental health conditions are generally only diagnosed when the symptoms impact on the persons daily life in a negative way... so to put it simply:
being on a diet/making a change of diet to lose weight = ok
being on a diet/making a change of diet to lose more weight than is physically healthy = indicative of a problem perhaps
either way being on a diet/making a change of diet isnt indicative of a mental health problem, the persons perception of their own weight/body shape and what is healthy is what needs to be distorted from the societies idea of a norm to be diagnosed with an eating disorder.
[i]Now that is conspiratorial nonsense I'm afraid.
Big companies sell us processed carbs because we love them[/i]
Grips, I get the feeling we'll never really [i]bond[/i], will we.
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As you know, basically, we have, as a left over from our history, a [i]sweet tooth[/i].
This is exploited in a [i]free market[/i] for profit, seemingly regardless of the impact on public health.
Furthermore, people are told via marketing campaigns commisioned and organized by food companies, that X,Y,Z, is [i]healthy[/i], cos its low fat.
We know that is a marketing myth, as you don't get fat for eating fat.
So super market shelfs are creaking under the weight of processed, low fat, high carb, foods.
Pasta is low fat.
For how many years did I eat pasta, believing I was eating [i]healthily[/i] but still wondering why I was 13 stone, when my pasta, bread, wholegrain breakfast cereal was [b]low FAT[/b], high carb /sweet.... ?.
These companies make and take the profits, the ever increasingly obese public, make an appointment with their GP.
I know people who have lost members of their family to T2D.
And I can't help but feel that is totally unacceptable.
Obesity and T2D is currently on the increase in this country.
And someone is getting rich from it.
On both sides of the GPs' office.
Not conspiracy, reality, imo.
Phil.
Good post.
cheerts solo, tried to keep it short and simple... would've been VERY easy to ramble on for pages!
This is exploited in a free market for profit
I'm amazed at how you can blame the market for providing what people want to buy.
EDUCATION is the bottom line here. People need to know that eating even suposedly healthy foods could help make you fat. Now there are great efforts to educate people on healthy eating, but the established teaching is not necessarily the full picture.
That is the issue, and it has nothing to do with the market or big corporations. My wife once sold some cakes at a bike race. Was she being evil exploiting people's cravings?
Grips, Dude.
Have you ever heard [i]latest research into crisps inidcates that eating crisps is actually good for you[/i] ?.
Thats the kind of headline they might read out on R4's today program.
What you won't always hear is that the research was funded by....
A crisp manufacturer.
You're not this niave.
I don't know why you're being like this ?.
[i]EDUCATION is the bottom line here[/i]
Yes, couldn't agree more.
Thats exactly my experience.
I now think that for the longest time, I was misinformed as my only PASSIVE source of dietary info, was from the people who were telling me that they had worked really hard, invested loads of money in to developing food that was [i]good[/i] for me.
Do you not see the conflict of interest in a market where food companies can make all kinds of claims about their product short of promising enternal life.
In order to place you at the super market check out, clutching their box of low fat, high carb, whatever.
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[i]Was she being evil exploiting people's cravings[/i]
No more than Apple is exploiting peoples [i]need[/i] for an iphone......
Your wife, just did what Steve Jobs was recently reported as once saying.
Something about not being where the puck is, but instead being where its going to be.
In a world where sugar addiction can be nutured and exploited.
Certain types are always going to view this as a money making opportunity.
How rank does water taste if drank straight after you've necked a pepsi ?.
One of my biggest grievences at the moment is the Nutella advert on TV, where it says that each serving of Nutella contains 2 whole hazlenuts skimmed milk and some cocoa, doesn't sound to bad does it? Except the biggest ingedient in it is sugar, no mention of that in the advert.
For me the problem is two fold, not enough education on things like how to read labels, and mis-infomation by food companies. Both need to be addressed imo.
You're not this niave.
I don't know why you're being like this ?
I'm not being naive - I'm simply saying that the market is not the cause of the problem. It's only serving our tastes. We buy crisps because they are bloody delicious.
people who were telling me that they had worked really hard, invested loads of money in to developing food that was good for me
Most food isn't 'developed'. The things that people know are good for you are fruit and veg, lean meat. But they also include potatoes and grains in that - which is where the slow-carb thing is different.
There is a lot of mis-information around, but that is on the fringes I think. There will be firms trying to persuade you that crisps are good for you or that nutella is healthy, but that's a smaller sector of the food market.
Most junk food is crisps, cakes, sweets, that kind of thing. No-one's eating them because they've been brainwashed by the companies to think that they are healthy, they are eating them because they are delicious.
The point about fast carbs has not really been accepted by the health community, so you can't blame the general public for not knowing it. You can blame them for self-indulgence though. That's not the fault of companies either.
iwouldn't mind finding out about this too. i tried to e mail idave about it but had no luck.
yodagoat - drop me an email and I'll send you a copy of what iDave produced.
Best thing to do is a search of some of the old (i.e. 12 months old) threads on it. Between the bitching, there's (1) some useful stuff, especially when iDave was contributing lots and (2) some great recipes.
Also, have a look at Timothy Ferris's book, 4 Hour Body. Much of the dietary stuff is the same or very similar (and iDave was, I believe - unless it's STW legend - consulted by Ferris on some of it).
FWIW, I'd just had an iDiet lunch fail (bread, cake, flapjack) and now feel sh-t. Whereas this week I've felt great on the basis of a proper iDiet approach.
I've had to choose between Asda and the staff canteen all week. The canteen's managed meat and veg some of the time, otherwise it's Asda for onion bhajis and some cooked chicken. They make their pakoras with wheat flour, sadly 🙁
MolGrips.
Yes, you have and make good points.
However, what I seem to be failing to communicate is...
Yes, the market can argue that its only giving the punter, what he /she wants.
And until sugar is re-classified as a class 'A' drug, then its legal and the food manufs are free to do whatever they feel they can get away with.
Not withstanding the magic of the advertising men.
(no I'm not asking for sugar to be made illegal BTW)
So you are right, from a certain point of view, you could argue that it ultimately boils down to telling joe public to MTFU, put the pizza down and read some stuff.
However, I reckon you also know that Companies don't accidnetally produce food with a high sugar content, transfat content, low fat, E number this or that, etc, etc.
By mistake.
No, its planned, and its done for profit and for market share.
Use poor ingredients which are cheap, and make it irresistable to anyone who likes the taste of something sweet (who doesn't).
I'm going to go home in a minute, probably to leave things thus.
People can be blamed on an individual basis for either not finding out the [i]truth[/i] or for not having the will power to do the [i]right[/i] thing.
Companies also share a slice of the blame for putting stuff out there which has been developed to pander to, and bring on, an individuals taste / desire for certain ingredients / products.
McDonalds don't employ flavour development staff for fun.
They are trying to Zero [b]you[/b], with that can't do without McD's on a Saturday afternoon once you have dropped out of next and are in need of a sit down for a Big Mac and Coke.
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In other news:
I shall continue to be cheeky this weekend and get a few road rides in, as many as my poor wrist can take, as most other injuries are now all but healed.
Keep'em spinnin and a good weekend to all.
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Use poor ingredients which are cheap, and make it irresistable to anyone who likes the taste of something sweet
You are talking about a certain market segment though. Stuff like cheap ready meals or snacks.
There's much more to food than that.
As for the flavour department - of course. Why would not you not want your food to be as tasty as it can be? We are already addicted to fat and sugar, that's hardly McDs fault. And you can't blame them for trying to make their food as tasty as possible, they are in business to make money after all.
There are plenty of healthy snacks out there, and they sell, too.
Nestle and Kelloggs peddle wheat/sugar/salt and you can be sure their marketing creates a desire for foods loaded with them. McD's add loads of sugar to their dough. Did anyone ask for that?
It's true that the makers of processed food add crap. Not sure that they are creating the desire though - just responding to our in-built desires.
I take it beer is ****ed on the idiet?
Deeee Wunn! (said in a heavy North-east accent)
3 eggs for breakfast...Feel hungry already but will take a while to get the jist of what I can and can't have.
Girlfriend joining me on it too.... 🙂
This is me yesterday by the way...
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I'll post an 'after' photo when I'm a racing snake...
o my my.
And I had you pegged as a communist all along, molgrips.
Pleasantly surprised by your lucidity here.
Hehe.. why would a communist not be lucid? Communism and paranioa do not always go hand in hand!
kayak23 - have your eggs with sausage and bacon - makes it much nicer 🙂 You don't really have to worry about fat all that much - although don't take the piss of course. Remember you eat as MUCH AS YOU WANT as long as it's from the list. Otherwise (in my experience) you'll get really hungry and run down, which is no good.
I've lost 22kg, and discovered this stuff
hooray!
[i]I've lost 22kg,[/i]
Yeah, well, last week I was convinced I had put a little weight back on.
So I was slightly shocked to learn on Saturday morning that I was 78.8 Kg 😯
kayak23 - have your eggs with sausage and bacon - makes it much nicer
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This is why I plan to break a few of the rules, perhaps allowing some dairy etc....
It takes more creativity and input I think if meat is not part of the equation...
[i]This is why I plan to break a few of the rules, perhaps allowing some dairy etc....
It takes more creativity and input I think if meat is not part of the equation...
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If we weren't meant to eat animals.
How come they're made of meat ?.
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This is why I plan to break a few of the rules, perhaps allowing some dairy etc....
What's the point of doing it then? 😛
If we weren't meant to eat animals.
How come they're made of meat ?.
As sure as night follows day, mention the vegetarian thing, and cue various hilarious meat-based gags....
Lets not go down that particular dead end street just now... 😕
This is why I plan to break a few of the rules, perhaps allowing some dairy etc....What's the point of doing it then?
Exactly the same point as anyone else who would do it surely, only because of being veggie, you have to be more realistic about where you can get healthy concentrations of energy-rich food.
[i]As sure as night follows day, mention the vegetarian thing, and cue various hilarious meat-based gags....
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BUSTED !, I admit it, I've had that one up my sleeve for just such an occasion.
Yes, lets not get bogged down with the Vego thing.
However, nearly all the meat I eat is / was wild.
Save for pork.
Also, theres no escaping the fact that our ancestors consumed meat and as a result, eating meat influenced our evolution.
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meat-based gags....
This is how I stopped an ex being a veggie.
My Ex tried being Vego.
But I got her back onto meat, albeit not very much (mostly fish).
For who can resist the Sunday morning..... BACON BUTTY !!!
WooHA,ha,ha, Haaaa.
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So, that was lunch.
A small tray of cherry toms, 2/3s a bag of raw spinach and some turkey breast.
Iz Stuffed !.
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I started this on monday...I now miss museli, bread and cakes....
And I'm still FAT!!!!