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Sorry but I think you do need to do some long ones not just for physicall fitness but mainly for mental fitness.
SD-253, do you think you could come and teach my grandmother how to suck eggs too?
I don't think we need to worry about iDave too much. 😉
SD - I think you may be mistaken there
SD-253 are you new around here? 🙂
By the way folks the website for iDave's event is here:
http://www.amazingmaasaiultra.org/
The pics look brililant! Makes me want to have a crack too 🙂
just to add, re' knocking 7 hours off, last time my feet were blistered like bubble wrap after marathon distance with 36 miles remaining. So there was a lot of hobbling - and also 13,000ft of ascent. The blisters is not a situation I'll allow to happen this time.
You are knocking 7 hours of your previous time?
Definition of "Grandmother sucking eggs" don’t give needless assistance or presume to offer advice to an expert"........I doubt that iDave would consider himself an expert? do you?SD-253, do you think you could come and teach my grandmother how to suck eggs too?
I don't think we need to worry about iDave too much.
Where did I say "WE" did?
Is that relative to the discussion? or are you saying I have to be on this site for a set amount of time before I can join in discussions? If so can you tell me what that amount of time is?molgrips - Member
SD-253 are you new around here?
In The Falklands the marines, 2 and 3 Para walked with full kit to Port Stanley (via a few hills) The Welsh Guards lasted 6 miles before it became a shambles and they had to…..well enough said.
Agreed 11Hours sounds tough and ambitious, but good luck to you Dave
SD-253 I'm with iDave on the training, agreed that sort of distance is very much about mental strength though.
I expect Dave knows this though as it's not his first.
Myself and a few mates do a few ultras and AR's, some people train like mad with massive weekly totals and others do far less and keep up plenty well without doing the big miles.
Myself and some of my mates in particular rarely do more than 20-30miles on foot in a week. One in particular has completed the Hardmoors 110M in under 24Hrs, Gobi march, Himalayan' 100, Atacama crossing all with very respectable finishes oh and he won the British Ultra a few years ago too.
Cyling is also core to the training I do
Weekly 50Mile runs isn't the only way to do things
not everyone who does Ultras needs to, or has the time for regular 50Milers to compete!
The 'are you new' thing was a simple joke, that's all. Suffice to say iDave knows what he is talking about.
What's the tactic for avoiding blisters then?
FOR don simon - Member
Teach not thy parent’s mother to extract
The embryo juices of the bird by suction.
The good old lady can that feat enact,
Quite irrespective of your kind instruction.
.I doubt that iDave would consider himself an expert? do you?
I would consider him to be much more of an expert than me, I'm not too sure what the qualifications are to be an expert, and I don't think that he would enter into something like this with his eyes closed either.
SD-253 - MemberFOR don simon - Member
Teach not thy parent’s mother to extract
The embryo juices of the bird by suction.
The good old lady can that feat enact,
Quite irrespective of your kind instruction.
Thanks, every day a school day.
AAaannnnyywwaaayy.
I think iDave will have it covered and I'm sure he's grateful for the concern some have declared here, born of their experiences, etc.
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Edit: Good luck to you Dave 😉
molgrips - Member
The 'are you new' thing was a simple joke, that's all. Suffice to say iDave knows what he is talking about.What's the tactic for avoiding blisters then?
Stay in bed!
Other than that
A/ It is normal to wear 2 pairs of socks a thin one underneath.
B/ make sure your trainers fit (taking into account the 2 pairs of socks) and realy to be sure they do fit you need to do few long runs.
C/ Do plenty of runs so as to harden your feet. The skin around old blisters or where any rubbing takes place will get harder overtime but will also go back to being soft very quickly so you need to stop the skin getting soft again.
D/ Some people like using vasaline. Never tried it but kept meaning to.
E/ Anyone with an ideas for a E/
That was a nice break, now back to some fund raising. 😀
Vaseline on the feet sounds unpleasant.
I never have problems with blisters whilst running but then I've never run more than 5 miles 🙂
29erKeith - Member
Agreed 11Hours sounds tough and ambitious, but good luck to you DaveSD-253 I'm with iDave on the training, agreed that sort of distance is very much about mental strength though.
I expect Dave knows this though as it's not his first.not everyone who does Ultras needs to, or has the time for regular 50Milers to compete!
I am not sure what you define as regular but a couple or at least one is realy what I mean for both mental fitness and to make sure your trainers fit and realy to be sure they do fit you need to do few long runs.
To harden your feet. The skin around old blisters or where any rubbing takes place will get harder overtime but will also go back to being soft very quickly so you need to stop the skin getting soft again.
This my view based on my own experince. I noted after doing a 100k just how poor a condition I was in afterwords and how good a condition (relatively)I was in 3 weeks later after a 50 miler. An exageration but easy peasy after the 50.
Actually.. what shoes would one choose for this? It's mostly dirt from the pictures with some rocks and rough ground.. Trail shoes I suppose would be good.
I use innov8 xtalon 212's, no doubt SD won't approve
molgrips - Member
Vaseline on the feet sounds unpleasant.I never have problems with blisters whilst running but then I've never run more than 5 miles
Think of it like greasing certain parts of your bike i.e. reducing friction although don't over do it. I am not sure why you think it as unpleasant. The second row in Rugby use it or tape up the ears. Also a lot of the front row do.
I've hardly used my Inov8s. I wish I had them with me in Germany actually, lots of opportunities here.
I am not sure why you think it as unpleasant
Slimy toes? Like walking through mud?
molgrips - Member
Actually.. what shoes would one choose for this? It's mostly dirt from the pictures with some rocks and rough ground.. Trail shoes I suppose would be good.
Fell shoes are possible? But they are Fell shoes at the end of the day, Designed for fast descents and slippy conditions. And also to be very light.
iDave - Member
I use innov8 xtalon 212's, no doubt SD won't approve
Now now!! Lets not get bitchy
So anyway, cough up the cash
molgrips - MemberSlimy toes? Like walking through mud?
I don't think you would notice after a while and you would be putting to much on if you did anyway.
Can't get the virgin site to take my money iDave
I think I will have someone post me my trail shoes. I fancy running up some Alps.
They seem to have the dosh delivery system sorted now, all the best with the run. How about a report when you get back?
Yes, we will need pics and a detailed report in return for our money.
Thanks for your donations people, blwn away by the STW generousity
I'll do a full report and gore images
Best advice I've had so far is that elephants kill you, lions kill you and eat you and hyenas just eat you - keen to avoid hyenas
Well predators tend to go for the stragglers, the weak ones.. so make sure you're not in last place at any point...
[i]Best advice I've had so far is that elephants kill you, lions kill you and eat you and hyenas just eat you - keen to avoid hyenas
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Well, that'll keep you on the move.
must keep going, do not want to become hyena poo
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What about a blister prevention experiment? Vaseline on one foot and nowt on the other. We would all know for when we do a 100k.
I'm using duct tape, vaseline and sock changes and have been walking around with sand in my socks
Where does the duct tape go?
This stuff's good on your feet [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/bodyglide-skin-formula-regular-369g/ ]Body Glide[/url]
I personally use one pair of single skin socks, BridgeDales are my favourites, plenty of wool in 'em, nice a soft, dry well and don't chafe when wet like cotton/coolmax etc based socks do IME
[url= http://www.injinji.com/ ]Injinji's[/url] are good too but you need a slightly wider toe box than normal to accommodate them
[i]Where does the duct tape go?
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tape on balls of feet and heels, with no creases, then smother all in vaseline
brand new socks with no pilling
i have looked into the blister thing and done some trials
What about the, eerrr, nipples, don't they get tape too ?.
Hey !, Chipps has stumped up a tenner. Yay Chipps !.
Now, any chance of making this thread sticky ?.
😉
Sorry for the hijack but.. I've been finding my legs a little achey after an hour of base riding. Never used to get this. Odd.
bump for the night shift. ta
At the risk of being in a grnadmother and eggs situation
everyone has their own pet preventions for blisters. iDave - have you put duct tape on your feet before? IME anything impermeable just traps sweat macerates and softens the skin and leads to more issues - but I do have very sweaty feet with a lot of thick skin. Teh blisters I tend to get are from sheering between the layers of skin not from friction on the surface
A couple of suggestion for you to try if you want to tape your feet is flexoplast which is a very thick strong elastoplast on a roll - helps reduce sheering between the layers of skin and stops friction skin to sock and mefix which is a very sticky but very soft thin dressing. Removes all friction skin to sock.
I guess you already have but make sure you try out the duct tape before the event to see how it goes
Oh - and good luck
Cheers TJ, spoke to a few friends who run Ultra's and some said dry feet, some said vaseline, some duct tape, some zinc tape, some talc, most MTFU. Tried duct tape with Vaseline and it seems ok. May try prophylactic compeed plasters in the next couple of weeks. What's the worst that can happen anyway? 😯
iDave thats about right 🙂 everyone has their own ideas
Anotehr one to try is granuflex or duoderm extra thin - same stuff as compeed basically but comes in sheets you can cut to fit. Tahts the best stuff to heal up sore feet.
Do you get blisters in the bits that rub or in the deep pads of skin? I get the latter and I believe that is about sheering forces between the layers so only something that reduces the sheering helps- I tend to do my marathons as multday walks tho - 🙂
Email me and I canpost you some of this stuff to try
When I did the mongolian ultra I had blisters everywhere, but feet had got soaked in a swamp after 25k so it was a kind of trench foot situation. I also had no idea what to do about blisters, so plodded on. I have 5 weeks to do some more experimenting, but will be tricky without doing huge runs.
Would love to try some magic tape, cheers for the offer!
Interesting this. In theory then for people whose feet get too hot as minimal a shoe as possible would help?