Pescetarian for over a year now. I make sure I only eat good quality non farmed seafood. Never drink milk and never have. Very very rarely eat cheese. Do eat eggs and I make sure they're free range etc.
Totally personal choice for me and I never advertise the fact or berate anyone for their own choices.
Has to be asked, did you believe the IFL article/research that you linked is sound because you wish to see vegetarians 'bested', or because the science is solid?Here is one rebuttal to the claims in the article that you linked (read top few comments). If true, it's quite sad that IFL took down the comments after just one day.
Curious things, humans. Many arguments/'debates' are fuelled by simply wanting to be right/wanting others to be wrong, rather than wishing to get at the actual facts/further debates of an issue? I might be treading that very line here, but it's good to have opposing views for comparison?
I'll give you my reasons as to why I don't think that is a solid rebuttal, more of a challenge. Right now though, I have a PhD and two jobs to apply for...... maybe later on this evening Malvern.
Can you imagine what the British countryside would look like if you replaced all the livestock farming with crop growing? Veggies, you can thank me for better views!
Cheers. 😆
Totally personal choice for me and I never advertise the fact or berate anyone for their own choices.
And I think that's key. It's like religion or owning a road bike 🙂 - it's a personal choice that doesn't need to be shouted about. Those that do are often the more insecure in the choices they've made.
And, as I noted earlier, Dairy cattle have a fairly reasonable existence on the whole in the EU. Certainly in comparison to other farmed animals.
And Dairy cow still produce calves for the beef trade. I'm not saying be vegan (which is again a fine choice and many reason to be vegan to many different levels) but if your objections to eating meat are moral you are contradicting yourself by eating milk cheese e.t.c. You can be vegetarian for many reasons, but if its anti meat production you should not eat milk cheese e.t.c.. If you just want to reduce the amount of meat (because as you say the expectation of meat production and price is too high and unrealistic) being farmed and are happy with some meat production sure eat cheese, drink milk but at the same time you could just eat less meat, eat only higher quality less intensively farmed meat.
Right now though, I have a PhD and two jobs to apply for
I'll give you my reasons as to why I don't think that is a solid rebuttal, more of a challenge. Right now though, I have a PhD and two jobs to apply for...... maybe later on this evening Malvern.
Well, that would be interesting, if you have time. But really I was asking what honestly motivated the (let's be honest) mean-sounding/gloaty delivery of yr (rebuttal/challenge?) to the OP? And had you honestly done the research that allowed you to post the link in confidence, or must you now do the research in order to prove that you were right in doing so?
Surely you can see how it comes across?
All the best with the interviews btw!
"When I was vegan I never even used the word. I told people I was veggie cos you kind of have to if you've been invited out for dinner or you're going to a wedding or something. It's a bit embarrassing all round if your host serves up an expensive steak only to be told that their guests are not going to eat it. But on the vegan issue I just used to tell people that I don't eat dairy. Most of the time no one reacted, they just accepted it. But as soon as some people twigged that this must mean I'm a vegan, then the avalanche of idiotic questions would begin, along with a dissection of my own ethical stance on a myriad of issues from vegetable rights to the replenishment of global fish stocks. Try doing that 100 times and like I said, it gets very very boring"
Ok this has to stop, you just made my wife shout 'yes', enthusiastically. Multiple times.
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The egss issue is a real one.
I got chickens, and if they aren't laying the farm has an honesty box for their near feral flock. I don't reckon most people would find it hard to find an ethical source even in towns these days.
Milk is more problematic. Even if every veggie went vegan it'd still be produced for the majority population.. does it bother me? I can't say I think too much on it to be honest, but then I wouldn't presume to tell anyone else what and what not to eat.
Apart from Rustlers, I mean FFS there are limits..
Go for it, OP!
I haven't eaten meat since 1980 and, trust me, it isn't an essential dietary requirement if you eat an otherwise well balanced diet. I raced (running) at a good club level as a vegetarian. Ignore the bacon and pie boys on here 🙂
I stopped eating meet a couple of months ago and honestly I barely miss it, even with a pretty heavy training program currently.
Also even when I ate meet I thought bacon was overrated. Chicken wings were the shit though. ****ing chicken wings.
OP it's your decision, no one else's. You don't need to justify if you do eat meat or you don't. Just understand where it comes from.
Outside of here no one really asks me about being a vegan. An occasional what do you eat but I have not had to play BS bingo in the real world for about 20 years. They do occasionally ask about the kids that ranges from curiosity because they eat their greens to I must be cruel as they have never been to Mc Donalds.
When I was vegan
Jots down name adds to list 😉
OP or indeed anyone here eat what you want and then STFU and let other people do the same.
Oh don't give up....may be I can tempt you with some dried meat....that costs 8 quid for 100g!!!
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-the-chichester-biltong-company
A good analogy to this would be never to be a consumer of apple products due to the shocking enlightenment of the way they treat their employees not to mention their profit figures make me physically sick.
Oh drat, I've just realised I dropped my steak burger all over my ipad!
😛 😆
Good on you. We eat a completely unsustainable quantity in the west.
* orders more bacon for the Minigaff trip *
refuses to share cakes he has made
Meh. I'm off carbs 😆
