grum - Member
Funny how there's never the same tabloid induced outcry about tax cheats/avoiders, wonder why?
tell that to the head of the Student Loans Company 😉
personally the best answer to some of the issues presented are to take time from those on benefits, be it on courses to become employable or some pointless activity it doesn't matter tyhe point is that if you are getting money something is wanted in return i.e. your time
as for the benefits cap, I'll ask the person stacking the shelves in Morrisons or working in the call centre part of my company tomorrow and see what they think of it
CHB - Its also wrong that those that have paid into the system or saved a bit for a rainy day get means tested to the extreme if they ever lose thier job.
So you want means testing for some but not others? thats the deserving and undeserving poor again?
Lazy ****ers in wales that sit on their backside funded by people who often are earning 10 to 20 k themselves is wrong.
yuo are so right ...shall we launch a campaign for full employment with a living wage for alll ...should help out your brothers if we achieve this..you with me?
Its also wrong that those that have paid into the system or saved a bit for a rainy day get means tested to the extreme if they ever lose thier job.
6 k for a single person is more than I have set aside for a rainy day...should we give benfits to those with say 100 k in the bank?
Ps if you have paid 2 years NO then you get non means tested benefits for 6 months ...but hey dont let the facts stopa good rant.
The system is broken and encourages lazy irresponsible behaviour from banlers together we could strive for full employment, a decent living wage and together we could eradicate child poverty in the 6 th richest country in the world if we just shared the wealth around a bit more equitably
FTFY
Of course we could just attack the poor and ask bankers not to take a £2 million pound bonus instead
BigN daft not is not a bad idea at first glance but it just drives wages down. i tend to agree that voluntary work should be mandatory though as a general rule
we cannot train people for jobs as their are more unemployed than jobs
However to deny folk any luxuries at all in this day and age seems rather harsh when we have millions out of work - there simply is no job for most of the unemployed to go into if they all retrain and get skills and apply for jobs tomorrow where are all these new jobs coming from? there will still be 3 million unemployed
I can't undersatnd the logic of working people cancelling Sky subscriptions, stopping smoking and rarely going out to save money due to pay constraint and rising prices and their taxes being used to fund another families Sky package £128/ mth mobile bill and fags and booze
or is it just me? 😉
but it just drives wages down.
why? please explain why putting someone on a training course lowers wages? There are plenty of activities that could be done that will not impact wages as you will not be replacing "paid" activity. Arguably you will create jobs in the infrastructure to make it work and in the childcare services for those who have kids
i tend to agree that voluntary work should be mandatory though as a general rule
we cannot train people for jobs as their are more unemployed than jobs
strange circa 1 million EU migrants have found work recently, care to explain where they magically appeared from 😉
big_n_daft - Membergrum - Member
Funny how there's never the same tabloid induced outcry about tax cheats/avoiders, wonder why?"tell that to the head of the Student Loans Company"
What......the guy who was investigated by Exaro ?
Exaro, the online subscription service that investigates issues that are important to business in particular and to the public in general, but which are being inadequately covered – or ignored – by the mainstream media ?
That guy ?
Big and daft. working families will almost always be significnatly better off. I agree the priorities sound at best odd - however tobacco addiction is a very strong one and to refuse any "luxuries" to the unemployed is very harsh. we have a very low benefit level anyway compared to many countries.
"bread and circuses"?
have a read of Wigan Pier - while very outdated now and while being written in Orwells sometimes cringingly middle-class hand wringing style it still contains some good analysis of this issue and some difficult truths
yep him, the tabloid hysteria has the potential to nail a minister
Exaro would have had no impact if the big boys hadn't picked it up, still good effort
good bit of whistleblowing going on handing it to them on a plate though
The poor? let them eat cake
yep him
Right.......have you got his email address so I can tell him ?
BTW :
the tabloid hysteria has the potential to nail a ministerExaro would have had no impact if the big boys hadn't picked it up, still good effort
good bit of whistleblowing going on handing it to them on a plate though
Who are these "big boys" you speak of..........the BBC and the Independent ? Seems only they are covering the story at the moment.
What tabloid are you reading big and daft ?
i as referring to free labour /working for nothing driving wages down - they will end up "working for commercial organisations for nothing so they will employ less folk or for less money- its a supply and demand thing ...would some pictures help?
I could do the same if we "trained folk" as we would have mor epoel willing ot do the work etc
PS what is this mythical "training" they all need to get work? they need jobs many of them have a "profession" what they have not got is an opportunity
I work in this area ,much of what you say sounds sensible but their is no magic bullet [ it does not work].U nless we aim for full employment we will have unemployed folk and it is aprice worth paying for controlling inflation apparently.
strange circa 1 million EU migrants have found work recently, care to explain where they magically appeared from
if we only had 1 million unemployed people that would have been a devastating counter my point about there being more unemployed folk that jobs.
What tabloid are you reading big and daft ?
The [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/9054733/Chief-executive-of-Student-Loans-Company-allowed-to-avoid-40000-a-year-in-tax-by-Coalition.html ]Telegraph[/url]?
Not a tabloid then aracer ? So how does he know that the tabloids have covered the story ? According to him the story "had no impact if the big boys hadn't picked it up" Apparently they've "picked it up" ?
And why wasn't this story uncovered by one of the tabloid "investigative journalists" ? Seems peculiar, as grum says, tabloids don't appear very interested in "tax cheats/avoiders". Most bizarre 😕
I just saw this thread, read the first page and the link.....now I'm as "live and let live" as the next man, but that family is way better of than me and I work like a dog. I was on job seekers allowance at 18 for a year while I tried to get a job and have never been on it since, not even when I lost my job about 2 years ago and was truly desperate.
I'm sorry but where is the incentive to retrain, this bloke even gets his fags, telly (higher package than mine if it's costing 60 notes a month) and booze paid for.
Not wanting to get into an argument here, but apart from the self respect, who are the mugs?
have a read of Wigan Pier - while very outdated now and while being written in Orwells sometimes cringingly middle-class hand wringing style it still contains some good analysis of this issue and some difficult truths
It's not outdated, I think, in fact, it's rather prescient. I don't see much of the middle-class handwringing either - he absolutely excoriates the soi-disant...well, anyone that would use the phrase soi-disant.
Sorry for the tardy reply, just got up for work!
TJ: To some extent I do believe in the deserving and undeserving poor. Thats to say that EVERYONE should have the bare essentials of food, heating and lodgings, but if you have paid money in and been a net contributor in the past then that should count for something.
Junky et al: Decent minimum wage, definately a good thing, one of the best labour did and helped out one of by bruvs in particular (works in a care home). Would happily se it raised by 50p or £1 per hour. The idea though that the state can create full employment is deluded. We live in a global village and tribe UK (or is that tribe Engurland soon?) has to be competetive overall against other nation states. Within that over all competetiveness we can and should have a degree of redistribution of wealth, but the system is out of balance at the moment.
IMO theres another factor that works in favour of being on benefits, regardless of how much money is envolved, and thats peace of mind, if your in social housing your rent and council tax are always paid. But when you're a low income earner in similar housing situation the two letters you fear the most is rent arrears and council tax arrears, as those two go straight to legal action. The our council are particularly bailiff happy.
To add fuel to the fire
well you are exempt from council tax so it is not paid as such and the rent is not always fully [rarely these days] covered by your housing benefitif your in social housing your rent and council tax are always paid.
Low earners are also eligible for these benefits as they can also apply to people in work.