The local wind farm are offering me a yearly bribe. I'm now in favour of wind farms. A yearly contribution from the greens would get my vote. Until then I'd rather eat my dog.
[quote=ernie_lynch ]There's really no point rejecting neoliberalisn in the UK elections [s]but then embracing it in the EU elections[/s]
FTFY, given you seem to be forgetting that the EU isn't actually democratic.
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I don't know why you think I have "forgotten" that the EU is undemocratic, I am fully aware it is (as is the Green Party btw) and I'm not likely to forget.
(as is the Green Party btw)
What's undemocratic about the Green Party?
(I'll be honest, I've got a bloody great list of stuff, I'm just wondering what your particular issues with them are)
I voted green. Not because I think they'd make a great government but because I think they'll make great MEP's. They're a sensible and thoughtful vote in Europe.
We also had a local election slip so I voted Labour since the only other candidate was an evil tory.
I voted Green, but can't help but wonder if it's a wasted vote.
I mean people (you know, that lot, out there) LOVE swearword celebs. Are there any celebs in the Green party? NO Farage is a celeb (to them).
Then there's the OI! Look at ME! "ads" on the voting paper. How are they allowed to do that? "I'm English" or something, it said.
Jeez. How many of those [i]people[/i] will ignore that and vote sensibly?
What's undemocratic about the Green Party?
WTF ??? Why does everyone appear to be misinterpreting everything I say ?!
Of course I'm not claiming that the Green Party is undemocratic, I was saying that the Green Party policy towards the EU recognizes that the EU is undemocratic.
Why does everyone appear to be misinterpreting everything I say ?!
NO idea and you are not wrong in thinking they are IMHO
[quote=ernie_lynch ]I don't know why you think I have "forgotten" that the EU is undemocratic
Sorry ernie, irony which clearly didn't work - the only reason I'd expect you to have forgotten that is if you'd had a big bump on your head and didn't know what day of the week it is. Though there appears to be an assumption of MEPs having real power in the bit I "corrected".
FTFY, given you seem to be forgetting that the EU isn't actually democratic.
It is democratic, though - your elected representatives, the government, negotiate with the elected representatives of the other countries to chose the EU President. Something similar happens with the UK government and the US President. You can certainly argue that MEPs should have more power, and perhaps we should ditch the EU President and so on as it's a waste of money - but that's a separate argument.
Another household of green party votes here. STW exit poll looks like a landslide 😀
Voted Pirate Party in the EU.
Lib Dem for council although I abhor the Lib Dems at a national level for their great sell-out, at a local level they work well.
Green party is essentially a protest party nothing else. They have good ideas but those ideas are only implementable if the entire world reboot or re-evolved again. i.e. extinct and start again.
If they get into power, If pigs can fly, everyone will farm land and invade another country to turn them into farmers because their ideals outweigh the rest. They will turn themselves "Gods". Long live Cultural revolution! Hang on ...
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seem to be forgetting that the EU isn't actually democratic.
It appears that way because we as a nation/electorate send third-rate and no hoper politicians to ride the gravy train. If we were to send out some able MEP's and engage fully with the project rather than pissing about at the edges and sulking when things don't go our way it might work a bit better for us lower orders.
Maggie and John both quibbled but knew how to make it work for them. They didn't annoy the neighbours so that we always got something from Europe. Now we have a political class who aspire to dictate how Europe will run without fully engaging with the rest of the team who then tell us to do one. The fine art of compromise has been forgotten by the "tolerant" British.
"Ask not what Europe can do of me but more what can I do for Europe" (with apologies to JFK).
I do not disagree tbh
In the UK we have
Unelected head of state based on the hereditary principle
Unelected chamber within our democracy
Unelected members in the executive [ cabinet]
Despite all this we look at Europe and wail about a lack of democracy
Same for unelected bureaucrats - head of OFSTED, Bof E chair etc
its not worse than home tbh
They have good ideas but those ideas are only implementable if the entire world reboot or re-evolved again. i.e. extinct and start again.
Is this based on actual, real Green Party policies, or a cartoon misrepresentation of Green Party policies?
That really is a load of nonsense Sandwich, specially the claim that [i]"we as a nation/electorate send third-rate and no hoper politicians"[/i], when you consider that most the other nations in the EU send far more fascists and neo-nazis to Brussels than the UK does.
Sandwich - Member
"Ask not what Europe can do of me but more what can I do for Europe" (with apologies to JFK).
JFK ... crikey. Slimy. 😯
bokonon - Member
Is this based on actual, real Green Party policies, or a cartoon misrepresentation of Green Party policies?
Many cartoons did not vote them into govt because they think Green Party is going to be leader of cartoon policies? Yes! 😆
Many cartoons did not vote them into govt because they think Green Party is going to be leader of cartoon policies? Yes!
Wow, such jabbering, many writings, very nonsense. Cool story Shibes.
Voted Pirate Party in the EU.
Having just Googled them, I'd have done that as well if I'd heard of them six hours ago.
This all feels a bit pointless doesn't it?
It seems like everyone is voting [i]against[/i] parties, rather than positively [i]for[/i] any one or other.
It seems inevitable that we are just going to end up with a greater [i]variety[/i] of numpties representing us, and hoping that they cancel each other out - the end result being something that's palatable. I think it's just as likely (more?) that they are just going to [i]amplify[/i] each other's numptiness, and we are going to end up with a complete dogs diner.
It'd be interesting to understand whats going on in other countries.
I voted UKIP in the European elections (just to scare the mainstream parties) and Conservative in the locals.
I blame (you for) Thatcher.
I'm a water melon, green on the outside, with tory values on the inside.
If the watermelons you're eating are blue on the inside, you really ought to be voting for the Green Party.
Honeydew melons are Yellow on the outside and Yellow on the inside, mebbies he should have voted LibDem.
As the energy
Given that last election the Greens got 5% and the Lib Dems were only 1% behind the Tories and UKIP seem to be gaining traction, if only through the amount of publicity Farage seems to generate, I voted LibDem.
You decided how to vote based on how the Lib Dems did last election ? How bizarre. Haven't you heard then ?
I just wonder whether the system would be more effective, and as a nation we'd have a little more self esteem and moral fibre if we all just voted for who we would really like to win..
I'm pretty sure in my own mind that people are squandering their vote on this silly game of trying to deduce the possible outcomes... you're not in a ****ing betting shop you hapless morons!
Hopefully, maybe one day, all of us spineless jellyfish can attain the strength of your moral fortitude, Yunki.
Until then, all I can do, is offer to polish the magnificent set of balls swinging from the horse you rode in on to rescue us. I might need a ladder, tho. As they are up quite high.
you're not in a **** betting shop
life is a betting shop
metaphorically
just saying like Jamie.. no need for you to get yer wee lacy knickers in a twist is there now poppet? 😆
Bit stunned byt the number of people on the radio who said they voted UKIP as a protest vote. A protest against what? Rational thought?
just saying like Jamie.. no need for you to get yer wee lacy knickers in a twist is there now poppet?
Can't talk, too busy polishing 8)
A protest against what? Rational thought?
As Stewart Lee once remarked, voting UKIP as a protest vote is like shitting on your hotel bed to protest at bad service, and then having to sleep in it.
feels goooooood 😀
Bit stunned byt the number of people on the radio who said they voted UKIP as a protest vote. A protest against what? Rational thought?
Nigel Farage is in the mould of a long line of populist politicians, he's good at convincing you that there's a problem, then finding someone to blame for it and pointing angrily at them.
"The People", as ever, are mainly sheep-shaped stepping stones to power.
That really is a load of nonsense Sandwich, specially the claim that "we as a nation/electorate send third-rate and no hoper politicians", when you consider that most the other nations in the EU send far more fascists and neo-nazis to Brussels than the UK does.
Which was partly my point treat it seriously and get some serious and committed politicians in to do the job. Not the gravy train riders and trough feeders we currently attract. (Are you suggesting that the other countries Fascists and Neo Nazis are not serious, I wouldn't know as their manifestos are in languages I don't speak. Certainly our fascists and nazis don't appear serious).
There should also be a requirement that anyone standing for a representative position in politics should have experience from a real world ™ job. (That's one outside the sphere of Westminster, local council working for daddy or daddy's friends).
I was pleased to note that Ipswich didn't elect a racist-lite (Ukip) to the council yesterday which has restored some of my faith in the "system".
I felt disgusted by the number of pseudo-facist parties on the ballot sheet, so voted LibDem. Hell, I'll admit that I felt sorry for them and thought that a vote might make them feel better.
Are you suggesting that .......
I'm suggesting that your comment :
[i][b]"we as a nation/electorate send third-rate and no hoper politicians to ride the gravy train"[/b][/i]
which is clearly implying that "we as a nation" send third-rate and no hoper politicians compared to "other nations" is false.
UK politicians in Brussels are no more third-rate no hopers than other politicians.
In fact the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, ie, the person who decides on a day to day basis what EU foreign policy should be, and is therefore one of the most important politicians in the EU, is a British politician.
She might well be a third-rate and no hoper politician, but if she's the best that the EU can come up with for the post of EU foreign minister then it suggests that all EU politicians, wherever they come from, are third-rate no hopers.
Which was partly my point treat it seriously and get some serious and committed politicians in to do the job. Not the gravy train riders and trough feeders we currently attract.
It has to be said, there's an eye-popping frustration in people, frustrated at what the EU does, voting to send politicians to represent them who want the EU to fail. Me, I'd rather we sent someone who wants to make it work.
We had a depressingly large collection of fascists and Little Englanders to vote for on our Euro election list - Tories, BNP, Ukip, the lot. BNP had this specimen standing 😯
[url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=DOROTHY+BROOKE+(BNP)&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=xUp_U7PVFafX0QXa_oGAAQ&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643 ]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=DOROTHY+BROOKE+(BNP)&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=xUp_U7PVFafX0QXa_oGAAQ&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643[/url]
It has to be said, there's an eye-popping frustration in people, frustrated at what the EU does, voting to send politicians to represent them who want the EU to fail. Me, I'd rather we sent someone who wants to make it work.
Someone with strong historic links to other European nations, including the Germans perhaps? A master of international diplomacy? ……
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really does make you want to weep doesn't it.It has to be said, there's an eye-popping frustration in people, frustrated at what the EU does, voting to send politicians to represent them who want the EU to fail
UKIP/BNP/Whoever: "I hate europe"
public: "Ooh he'll make a good MEP, vote for him!"
****ing idiots.
Aye it was so bad I actually blasphemed in the booth
the polling officer said i was not alone in expressing my dismay.
She might well be a third-rate and no hoper politician,
All countries get someone doing something - or is it two from each country I forget and on mobile so cannot google
You will be telling us that neither mandy nor Kinnock were third rate but the best we had to offer Europe 😉
I would like to see the list of who we have had as commissioners tbh if someone can google it I bet it is third rate and none of our best serve in the EU . Griffin and farage can get in there and have no hope in a UK election for example
they are third rate and that is being kind to some of them
You will be telling us that neither mandy nor Kinnock were third rate but the best we had to offer Europe
You think other EU commissioners from other countries are any better ?
Hahaha ! 😀
We dump our failed politicians in Brussels because they stand a reasonable chance to continue with their political careers there.
UK politicians in Brussels are of the same calibre as any other.
How do think that Catherine Ashton managed to get the unanimous backing from 27 EU leaders to become responsible for EU foreign affairs if they considered her to be third rate ?
