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molgrips... I think you're doing the right thing. But, this comes from someone that likes to ween themselves off things...
Weening is for weiners 😉
You're not though.
Try me. I'll listen and evaluate your input and then either acknowledge it as good information or provide a thoughtful criticism and decline to accept it.
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm not listening.
The diet isn't about quitting high GI carbs, it's about losing weight. If it were about quitting (ie never having any more) then indeed it would be a moral failure.
... everyone loves 'bitty' though... don't they?
Molgrips, in all honesty it's probably not the end of the world that you had a dollop of milk, or a muffin.
(though spiking your insulin with a sugar loaded muffin and fruit juice whilst on a diet that is supposed to manage insulin levels is waaay off plan).
It's a precedent though, yesterday you had a dollop of milk, today you had a muffin and a fruit juice... it is escalating already, 2 days in. How long til you excuse yourself a nice pizza dinner, or flapjack with your coffee.
If you don't lose weight, is it the idave diets fault, or your fault?
in all honesty it's probably not the end of the world that you had a dollop of milk, or a muffin
I know, that's why I did it.
How long til you excuse yourself a nice pizza dinner, or flapjack with your coffee
Let's wait and see.
If you don't lose weight, is it the idave diets fault, or your fault?
How stupid do you think I am?
Do you at least recognise this:
It's a precedent though, yesterday you had a dollop of milk, today you had a muffin and a fruit juice... it is escalating already, 2 days in
How stupid do you think I am?
You're the guy who cleaned your bike on a balcony right?
And no-one could tell me exactly why it was so stupid bearing in mind it affected no-one directly.
And no-one could tell me exactly why it was so stupid bearing in mind it affected no-one directly.
No, No-one can be asked to tell you, as they know there time would be more constructively spent nailing fog to the wall.
sorry iDave the body fat comment was about DT, hows your body? haha!
If someone could've come up with a real actual reason rather than just 'well, you know.. tch!' then I might've been more inclined to accept them.
I think plenty of people explained why it could annoy the neighbours. Anyway, that's besides the point, it was a low blow and I apologise.
I my own sarcastic way I'm actually trying to help. I think it is important to prove to yourself that you can do the diet and do it properly. Also in my experience, personally and others, little seemingly inconsequential cheats can quickly escalate to going fully off the wagon.
No-one can be [b]asked[/b]
❓
Anyway, that's besides the point, it was a low blow and I apologise
No probs 🙂
Although I don't need to prove to myself that I can do it, I just need to actually do it. And in this case a half job is better than no job at all. It's about lbs not a sense of achievement, for me.
Thing is, I haven't had enough carbs so far and I am feeling the effects acutely. Last night I was seriously trashed and not particularly well. I have apparently not managed to get enough of the required low GI carbs into what I've been eating so far. Fair enough, it's a learning experience and I'll be in the supermarket tonight looking for some different meals and ingredients that will hopefully deliver what I need.
I had the muffin because a) it was there and b) I needed to face a day at work.
I'm not a blithering idiot in denial, I'm an intelligent bloke who thinks a lot. I don't do much without reasoning it through from as many angles as I can. Even wash bikes.
I don't do much without reasoning it through from as many angles as I can.
Really, I've always thought you to be a bit impetuous! 😉
If someone could've come up with a real actual reason rather than just 'well, you know.. tch!' then I might've been more inclined to accept them.
Right, I have a few mins before going out for a run so here goes.
1) You're on a form of low GI diet.
2) You are eating Hi GI foods.
You cannot be doing 1) if 2) occurs other than on the weekly refeed day, if you choose to have one.
Just TRY to do it for a couple of weeks to the letter and see how you get on. After that maybe make some alterations to allow for activity levels etc. Yes it will be hard initially, but then the body adapts. You are not allowing this to happen while you cheat.
I am aware I come off as spiky sometimes, but it's for your own good Molgrips 8)
deadlydarcy:No-one can be asked
[url= http://goo.gl/oUz23 ]Shouldn't you be drunk in a bin somewhere covered in vomit and Guinness?[/url]
You are eating Hi GI foods.
In extremely small quantities, in a one-off.
In other words, it's only been three days give me a chance to adjust! We are talking about a complete and sudden change in diet and cooking habits.
Yes you're right. As you were and good luck.
I am aware I come off as spiky sometimes
Get the **** outta here! 🙂
I want to come across...
...your back.
'Why not comne out the window?'
What the heck, come inside the kitchen and have a cuppa tea.
So if chick peas are ok, what about chick pea flour? I'm thinking maybe not on GI grounds.
if you're in doubt about this 'diet' then read the 4 hour body.. very good read
Seems like iDave's is very slightly different. I am tempted to read the book however.
I'd highly recommend the 4 hour body - he goes into the science behind low GI, whereas I can't be arsed - not here anyway. There is also good info on female orgasms.....
It takes me about four hours to create a female orgasm.
Science I like. As long as it's complex and doesn't gloss over 🙂
iDave,
is there any chance I can get a copy of this plan? I've tried Atkins and managed to shift a lot of weight but I was never happy with the amount of fat this diet contains. I've tried to cut back on the fat and avoid processed foods but the weight has crept back on over a 2 year period.
I'm looking for a long term approach that is healthy and won't result in a heart attack due to my arteries been full of cookeen.
I'd be very interested in your approach.Ta
iDave,is there any chance I can get a copy of this plan? I've tried Atkins and managed to shift a lot of weight but I was never happy with the amount of fat this diet contains. I've tried to cut back on the fat and avoid processed foods but the weight has crept back on over a 2 year period.
I'm looking for a long term approach that is healthy and won't result in a heart attack due to my arteries been full of cookeen.
I'd be very interested in your approach.Ta
Can I ask a question?
Did you transition into the ongoing phase of Atkins?
I think there are a lot of misconceptions about Atkins. It is true that the first two weeks are a free for all of meat and cheese, but a lot of people think that is all it is. After that it is supposed to transition to a maintenance phase that is much more manageable long term, ups the vegetable content, reduces the saturated fat and actually isn't a million miles away from the low GI diets.
bit of science molgrips... a baked potato is high GI but if you leave it to cool it changes to low GI.
amazing that i'nnit. 8)
I did know that a BP was high GI but didn't know it changed with temperature.
Cold baked potatoes and salt - yum. Best eaten by spreading salt on a plate and dipping.
Dave - have sent an email to the address on your profile - would appreciate a copy of the plan. Worth trying, I think.
it's got something to do with the cell structure changing as it cools. i assume that reheating it is fine as you cant reverse the process.
.. chips are effectively cold potatoes 😀
Seems like the reviews on Amazon for the book are quite mixed. So how many people are on / have been on this diet and found it effective? What have you used as recipes (or to give you a spread of varied recipes)? And is it just as effective with little to no decent exercise (I have someone in mind who is struggling to exercise at the moment through various injuries and physical weakness and is putting weight on and wants to slow it down)?
Do people not just eat 'food' any more? If your great grandmother would have recognised it as food (or her Mediterranean, Asian, etc. counterparts) it's fair game, provided you don't eat too much of it and it's mostly plants.
That, plus a bit of moderate exercise everyday should work.
That, plus a bit of moderate exercise everyday should work
Wtf do you think I've been doing all these years? I don't deprive myself of stuff I like for the sheer hell of it ffs.
I'm not fat at all. I'm just not thin enough to win races. That's it.
Oh and my grandmother would've recognised all the chickpeas, lentils, beans, veg and meat in the world, as would yours.
Do people not just eat 'food' any more? If your great grandmother would have recognised it as food (or her Mediterranean, Asian, etc. counterparts) it's fair game, provided you don't eat too much of it and it's mostly plants.
If you actually read the thread you would realise that the main gist is just that. Clean whole foods more or less. It is the refined and processed foods that are eliminated by eating low GI.
Saying that, my nan knows what a Big Mac looks like.....
Oh yeah and my ancestors knew what lard, beer and tobacco looked like and generally didn't live as long as we will. Quite a few of them were unhealthy and fat in old age too, the ones that could afford it.
Smart-arsery FAIL.
Point being we are always learning about how what we eat affects our bodies and how best to use that knowledge to achieve what we want.
Diets make you fat.
This is empirical research I've done by asking fat people how many diets they've tried. "I've tried them all!" they wail. Thin people on the other hand say they've never been on a diet.
QED
Oh yeah and my ancestors knew what lard, beer and tobacco looked like and generally didn't live as long as we will.Smart-arsery FAIL.
I don't think Mike was being a smart arse. Just assumed we were all talking about doing HIIT in our sleep and living off space food.
[i]I'm not fat at all.[/i]
erm, why are you on a diet then? 😐
how much do you weigh? Me 72kg (eating pretty much everything I shouldn't according to idave)
[i]There is also good info on female orgasms....[/i]
In a book about a diet, really? Why?