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Bit controversial this one but some recent news say lots of 'illegal' hunts on Tuesday. I'm not against tradition per se and all the poncing around on horseback doesn't bother me but it seems the hounds keep 'accidentally' killing foxes.
Your name gives you away OP
I'd love to ride with a hunt.
Don't hold back with the name-calling peeps. 😀
Couldn't care less. It's a fox not a child.
It seems like poor legislation (if I've understood it correctly) - you can do exactly as before to flush out a fox to be shot as long as it's not your intention to let the hounds actually get it and kill it, but if the hounds [i]accidentally[/i] get it and kill it before you can stop them then that's not against the law.
(I appreciate my understanding of it may be wrong. I don't need to know it.)
There’s hunting and then there’s blood Sport.
Imho it’s not hunting if you’re not going to eat it.
It’s not hunting if the odds are stacked so far in your favour.
It’s not hunting if the end goal seems to be to dispatch your victim in the most gory and brutal way possible.
For hunting.
Against those people who dress up and ride on horses as you just know they're bellends of the highest order. Worse than roadies TBH.
Fox hunters are the scum of the earth. Anyone who enjoys chasing an animal to death for the pure 'fun/joy/pleasure' is a ****ing psycopath or at least has psycopathic tendencies.
I'll put some photo's up of the end result of a fox hunt if you like, some stomach turning ones. A live animal being ripped to shreds for the pleasure of so called human beings is not acceptable in todays society.
& yes I was brought up in the countryside, didn't have a problem with it until something clicked in my head. I don't have any problem whatsoever with anyone killing to eat, but do it as quick as you can & don't chase the poor bloody creature till it can't run anymore.
Boils my piss.
Definitely against
Strongly against!
Couldn't care less. It's a fox not a child.
Aren't human beings just marvellous.
For: hunting as a means of vermin control, for food and for species number control.
Against: toffs that ride around on horses baying an animal into a gruesome death for no reason other than a sick pleasure.
I can see me getting banned by this thread.
Maybe take yourself away. No good will come from this thread.
@ esselgruntfuttock: If you go, I'll go!
Against hunting for sport.
Hunting for food I have no issue with so long as the animal can be killed quickly and cleanly.
Hunting for population control I'd agree/disagree on a case by case basis but if it can't be done humanely (selectively, quickly and cleanly) then I'd likely be against.
Fox numbers need to be controlled with these numbers:
.222
.22-250
.223
.243
.308
Not with K9s.
Strongly against. Chasing and killing something "for fun" is inhumane. There's nothing wrong with going out on horseback for a nice canter around the country but to find joy in ripping apart another creature "just because" is sick.
Once a year hire a football stadium or 10, starve a few hundred nice dogs for a few days , then let them chase the hunters, if they accidently injure a hunter, its life,and they should have got private healthcare insurance for themselves.
Good money could be raised on betting and selling seats and tv coverage, it could even be called "TOFFS".
I used to go with my grandfather and shoot rabbits. Rabbit stew is amazing.
I have done a lot of fishing. All caught fish were eaten.
I have sent a jack russell into a barn full of rats as they were eating grain.
i am totally against fox hunting and killing anything for fun really makes me angry.
Me no, I don't understand how enjoyment can be derived from inflicting pain and suffering on an animal and I say that as someone who has participated in blood sports in the past as a youngster(driving on commercial pheasant shoots and ferretting). Living and working in a hill farming area I can see a need for pest control and can understand that often hounds are an effective tool in doing this, flushing and putting up a fox so that it can be dispatched in the most humane way possible but that something different or just dispersing cubs.
In my younger days I used to qualify point to pointers and rode out with a couple of packs in the midlands and aside from some of the farmers who had historically always hunted most of the mounted followers were pretty objectionable.
the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.
No issue if its for your food
However anyone who enjoys killing things and does it for fun [ shoot weekend for example] needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
I've seen first hand how fox hunters abuse private land and gardens, cause havoc with public transport and use hired thugs to impose their will on those wanting to protest.
strongly against, chasing an animal for fun to kill it is wrong.
In my younger days I used to qualify point to pointers and rode out with a couple of packs in the midlands and aside from some of the farmers who had historically always hunted most of the mounted followers were pretty objectionable.
Does the profession of those involved matter from a moral perspective?
Are you morally equivalent, better or worse than the “most” who you found objectionable?
I’ve ridden plenty of Hunts, attended plenty of Hunt Balls too 😆
I’ve ridden them pre the Ban and post the Ban. I have many friends who continue to ride Hunts since the Ban and they’re quite happy with the current rules around dragging scents. There are, like in most Groups or Societies, some proper right wing nut jobs and some proper left wing animal rights aficionados. Both enjoy Yomping on Horseback around a 25k course chasing “prey” whatever that form is.
However, whilst some see Country Sports as the epitome of Country Living there are plenty of people who support the Ban and continue to ride out. A Hunt is more about the tradition of a Group gathering together to Yomp rather than the “kill” being the end game of the gathering.
It may surprise you to know that many Hunt Supporters are actually animal rights activists, controversial it maybe.
I personally see no difference between the pre Ban and post Ban era, I’ve never seen any indiscretion in the post Ban era occur either.
However I’m a keen animal rights activist myself, and always have been. For me the Hunt was more about Yomping than the kill. Yet I’ve seen some pretty gruesome endings to Hunts where some humans really show thier true base nature of a Kill. Disgusting to the point of vomit and guilt for taking part, when the day out itself was properly enjoyable.
A abore killing for the sake of sport.
Sorry, forgot to say I still support the Ban and should it ever go to vote again I will continue to support the Ban.
Killing for fun? Pastime for Wierdos, posh folk and murderers.
For, but totally against breaking the law unless it is repealed.
Strongly against. Bunch of Tuesdays.
People in this country, in this day and age, don`t 'hunt' for anything other than to kill things for fun.
Even if you eat what you catch/kill ... your still doing so primarily for the fun of killing it yourself ... so your still getting fun/enjoyment from killing things.
Maybe take yourself away. No good will come from this thread.
Your'e dead right Anagallis. If it's one thing that wants to make me hurt another human it's stuff like this & people who support it.
I've shot rabbits, (but strangely only the ones with Mixy & with a .22 Anschutz 520) I've killed lots of sea fish for the table but seeing those poncy arsed shitbags careering around on horses dressed up to the nines & blatantly defying the law......I'd love to turn the tables & give some of those ****s a head start. 👿
If you're going to gut it and eat it I don't really have an issue.
If you are doing it for fun, then that's not OK.
If it's vermin then just shoot it/kill it as humanly possible.
Poor people go badger baiting and chase and rip deer apart with dogs during the night. Rich folk dress up and prance about on horseback ripping foxes to shreds with dogs. Both groups are scum but surprise surprise it's only the rich ones that get to have the laws on their side.
No problem with most hunting, but not this kind.
Not a class thing, no problem with people enjoying it either.
I like fishing.
I used to enjoy shooting live quarry.
I just think we've moved on.
Strongly against fox hunting with dogs and horses.
Does the profession of those involved matter from a moral perspective?Are you morally equivalent, better or worse than the “most” who you found objectionable?
Oh much much worse at the time because I went along and participated in something, after thinking about it, I already found objectionable although qualifying p to p'ers was just a trot around the lanes but it was earning a living. The "most" had given it no thought at all and treated as something akin to the mounted wing of the masons.
The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. People criticising hunts for killing for fun, and yet the posters still eat meat. You don't need to eat meat, you do it because you like it, not because you need to. To put it another way, you eat meat because it is fun.
Have any of you pro carnivore anti hunt people ever been in an abatoire or seen the conditions that many farm animals are raised in?
If I had a choice between being raised on the horror of a modern farm and then being carted off in a lorry to the hell of a meat processing plant versus living free on the land for a few years followed by 45 minutes of abject terror and a gruesome ripping apart by a pack of hounds....
There's not really much to choose between them
Pulling a fox apart of with hounds after it’s ran to exhaustion, what’s not to love.
Bunch of ****s on horses.
Have any of you pro carnivore anti hunt people ever been in an abatoire or seen the conditions that many farm animals are raised in?
Yes I’m from farming and there are absolutely no comparisons.
The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding.
Only matched by the leaps in your logic. 🙂
let me guess 'the generalist', your vegan with a man bun and only holiday in se asia?
Am pro hunting, if the quarry are tories
Less worried about fox hunting, objectionable as it is, than I am about grouse shooting and the environmental damage, flooding, and public cost (we subsidies it folks!) it brings. See Mark Avery's blog for some great discussion on it and some useful petition links.
That's not true. I fish for food and take the odd rabbit and game bird here and there. I do it because I like knowing where my food comes from and that it is fresh and was dispatched cleanly and efficiently. It's perfectly possible to take pleasure from the process as a whole without thinking the killing part is fun.People in this country, in this day and age, don`t 'hunt' for anything other than to kill things for fun.Even if you eat what you catch/kill ... your still doing so primarily for the fun of killing it yourself ... so your still getting fun/enjoyment from killing things.
Don’t like it myself
Disgusting to the point of vomit and guilt for taking part, when the day out itself was properly enjoyable.
Maybe stop doing it then?
I'm all for blood sports providing there is some equality of opportunity. I'm not really one to get in with the fox hunting classes. But I would quite happily throw some Stella on the tele if I could see some fat track suited council estate chavs fighting their teeth sharpened pit bulls on the One Show. Some enterprising 'traveller' could sell me their YouTube channel with a gopro strapped to a hare. Equally I would watch unregulated bare knuckle strap yard boxing if Sky had the channel. Let's face it, the combatants would be scum and not far from animals anyway. It really flick's my nutsack that this should be the preserve of the entitled.